The British electorate and Tory Stockholm Syndrome

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Carnelian

Ok, so why are so many Labour voters wanting to vote for an incompetent and rather thick Tory leader?

This week I listened to a staunch Labour voter saying she was going to vote Tory to get behind Theresa May against the EU and that Corbyn was a silly old idiot.

The EU negotiators couldn't care less how large the UK Tory majority is! Why should they? They're not in thrall of May, Murdoch or any other right wing media baron.

So, WTF, why have so many normally sensible voters decided to vote Tory after the Tories have hacked into benefits and thrown millions of families and their children into poverty?

Are UK voters inherently thick?

Additionally, Tory economic economic record is utterly shit. Our economy is no more productive than in 2007, yet house prices have shot up. A whole generation is being screwed over and will not have the funds to enter into the Tory dream 'home owning democracy' not only that, their pensions are worth the square root of sod all. Do parents HATE their children and wish upon them to be bled dry? Looks like it!

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Yogi19Member 10 years

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

4/29/175:21 AM

SaintMember 10 years

Labour - pro Europe = soft on Brexit issues (immigration)

Tory - anti-Europe = hard on Brexit issues (immigration)

Voters see terrorism and free movement as the same thing = Vote Tory

4/29/175:50 AM

BazMember VIP10 years

Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

nod Very true .....and I'd go even further and say that it is those sort of sentiments that are actually driving people into the Tories arms . Moreover, it is possible to put forward a succinct political viewpoint without all the mudslinging and name calling.

4/29/176:29 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Baz posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Very true .....and I'd go even further and say that it is those sort of sentiments that are actually driving people into the Tories arms . Moreover, it is possible to put forward a succinct political viewpoint without all the mudslinging and name calling.

nod

I'm all for people being passionate about politics and have no problem with anyone supporting a particular political party but, when passion becomes rudeness and/or aggression, then it nullifies any point they are trying to make, IMO.

4/29/1712:42 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Yogi19 posted:
Baz posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Very true .....and I'd go even further and say that it is those sort of sentiments that are actually driving people into the Tories arms . Moreover, it is possible to put forward a succinct political viewpoint without all the mudslinging and name calling.
I'm all for people being passionate about politics and have no problem with anyone supporting a particular political party but, when passion becomes rudeness and/or aggression, then it nullifies any point they are trying to make, IMO.

I totally agree Yogi nod

4/29/1712:45 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Baz posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Baz posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Very true .....and I'd go even further and say that it is those sort of sentiments that are actually driving people into the Tories arms . Moreover, it is possible to put forward a succinct political viewpoint without all the mudslinging and name calling.
I'm all for people being passionate about politics and have no problem with anyone supporting a particular political party but, when passion becomes rudeness and/or aggression, then it nullifies any point they are trying to make, IMO.
I totally agree Yogi

kiss

4/29/1712:48 PM

SaintMember 10 years

Ok you two calm down

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on nod

4/29/171:02 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Saint posted:
Ok you two calm down

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on

laugh laugh

4/29/171:04 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Saint posted:
Ok you two calm down

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on

laugh Guess who is reading a book by Emmeline Pankhurst ATM?

4/29/171:06 PM

SaintMember 10 years

Yogi19 posted:
Saint posted:
Ok you two calm down

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on
Guess who is reading a book by Emmeline Pankhurst ATM?

Don't let that terrorist give you ideas - should have been left chained to the railings, lol

Imagine when she needed the toilet

"Err - sorry Ms Pankie - we can't find the key"

4/29/171:14 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Saint posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Saint posted:
Ok you two calm down

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on
Guess who is reading a book by Emmeline Pankhurst ATM?
Don't let that terrorist give you ideas - should have been left chained to the railings, lol
Imagine when she needed the toilet
"Err - sorry Ms Pankie - we can't find the key"

Rofl laugh Your mind moves in weird and wonderful ways Renton laugh hug

4/29/171:16 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Saint posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Saint posted:
Ok you two calm down

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on
Guess who is reading a book by Emmeline Pankhurst ATM?
Don't let that terrorist give you ideas - should have been left chained to the railings, lol
Imagine when she needed the toilet
"Err - sorry Ms Pankie - we can't find the key"

laugh You are bonkers but I lubs ya. hug

4/29/171:19 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Phew, I had to do a quick edit! Autocorrect changed lubs to lubes. eek laugh

4/29/171:20 PM

SaintMember 10 years

eek calm yourself !!!

Mary Whitehouse would be having a turn

4/29/171:28 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Yogi19 posted:
Phew, I had to do a quick edit! Autocorrect changed lubs to lubes.

eek laugh laugh

4/29/171:28 PM

SaintMember 10 years

Any surprising facts about Ms Pankie yet?

4/29/171:32 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Saint posted:
Any surprising facts about Ms Pankie yet?

Not so far but I'll let you know if I find out anything surprising.

4/29/171:34 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Saint posted:
calm yourself !!!

Mary Whitehouse would be having a turn

laugh I nearly had a turn myself laugh

4/29/171:35 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

velvet donkey posted:
The only thick UK voters are those that would vote Corbyn and Labour.

Nice guy until you scratch the surface and trapped in the eighties. McDonnell would wreck the joint.

How to take a party backwards.

I'm voting for Corbyn , thanks for your opinion though it's noted and stored for future reference!

4/30/1712:43 AM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

velvet donkey posted:
I'm dying.

Store that for future reference.

Velvet, whatever your medical condition is...I truly feel sorry for that. I still take exception to being called thick, same as I don't agree with Carnelian calling all Tory voters thick. It's insulting and I wouldn't dream of calling anyone thick because their opinion differs from mine!

4/30/1712:53 AM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

velvet donkey posted:
We're pals Dame

You get to realise none of it matters

kiss

Pals can still have words and that's what makes them pals...they get over it hug kiss

4/30/171:02 AM

Former Member

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
velvet donkey posted:
The only thick UK voters are those that would vote Corbyn and Labour.

Nice guy until you scratch the surface and trapped in the eighties. McDonnell would wreck the joint.

How to take a party backwards.

I'm voting for Corbyn , thanks for your opinion though it's noted and stored for future reference!

I'm voting for him too

4/30/171:57 AM

Jen-StarMember VIP10 yearsModerator

I don't get it either!! Even my fella who sees through all the main stream media BS and is pretty switched on... He says he's voting Tory rolleyes he's always hated the Conservatives but he's thinking of Brexit and 'the next 100 years'

I think May has been very clever with the timing of this election.

I could never ever vote Tory, hasn't May said sex offenders (including paedophiles!) should be allowed to adopt?!?!? Things like that are where we see her for what she really is...

4/30/173:13 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Jen-Star posted:
I don't get it either!! Even my fella who sees through all the main stream media BS and is pretty switched on... He says he's voting Tory he's always hated the Conservatives but he's thinking of Brexit and 'the next 100 years'
I think May has been very clever with the timing of this election.
I could never ever vote Tory, hasn't May said sex offenders (including paedophiles!) should be allowed to adopt?!?!? Things like that are where we see her for what she really is...

No @Jen-Star Theresa May never said that. It was in a report sent to Theresa May by an academic called Helen Reece.

Theresa May and the Home Office did not agree with it.

Check out the link, especially the last 2 paragraphs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...heresa-May-told.html

4/30/173:56 AM

Cold SweatMember 10 years

I'm still focused on local council elections - despite the distraction - once concluded I will be supporting my CLP with the GE campaign.

4/30/1710:28 AM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Cold Sweat posted:
I'm still focused on local council elections - despite the distraction - once concluded I will be supporting my CLP with the GE campaign.

snap CS, I've been out and about with one of ours and will be doing my bit in the GE too nod

4/30/1712:59 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.

If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.

5/1/172:11 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Jen-Star posted:
I don't get it either!! Even my fella who sees through all the main stream media BS and is pretty switched on... He says he's voting Tory he's always hated the Conservatives but he's thinking of Brexit and 'the next 100 years'
I think May has been very clever with the timing of this election.
I could never ever vote Tory, hasn't May said sex offenders (including paedophiles!) should be allowed to adopt?!?!? Things like that are where we see her for what she really is...

You need to knock some sense into into him!

5/1/172:13 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Saint posted:
Labour - pro Europe = soft on Brexit issues (immigration)

Tory - anti-Europe = hard on Brexit issues (immigration)

Voters see terrorism and free movement as the same thing = Vote Tory

YEP, our number one trading partners

Hmm, record immigration under the last Tory government. Still talk a good game, fool the sheeple!

Voters are f***wits then! Have they forgotten that indigenous hard rightist, Thomas Mair, was the last person to murder a British MP?

Of course some immigrants will be terrorists, but some husbands will be wife beaters. Should we therefore ban marriage? rolleyes And hard right politics?

5/1/172:22 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.

Carnelian posted:
Jen-Star posted:
I don't get it either!! Even my fella who sees through all the main stream media BS and is pretty switched on... He says he's voting Tory he's always hated the Conservatives but he's thinking of Brexit and 'the next 100 years'
I think May has been very clever with the timing of this election.
I could never ever vote Tory, hasn't May said sex offenders (including paedophiles!) should be allowed to adopt?!?!? Things like that are where we see her for what she really is...
You need to knock some sense into into him!

Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:
Labour - pro Europe = soft on Brexit issues (immigration)

Tory - anti-Europe = hard on Brexit issues (immigration)

Voters see terrorism and free movement as the same thing = Vote Tory
YEP, our number one trading partners

Hmm, record immigration under the last Tory government. Still talk a good game, fool the sheeple!

Voters are f***wits then! Have they forgotten that indigenous hard rightist, Thomas Mair, was the last person to murder a British MP?
Of course some immigrants will be terrorists, but some husbands will be wife beaters. Should we therefore ban marriage? And hard right politics?

So, let me see if I've understood this correctly ....to be a worthwhile , intelligent and politically astute member of society one has to think and vote along with Carnelian principles ....and read the Guardian. Got it

5/2/172:31 AM

SaintMember 10 years

Diane Abbott messed up today rolleyes

5/2/177:25 AM

BazMember VIP10 years

Saint posted:
Diane Abbott messed up today

Ain't that the truth laugh

5/2/178:20 AM

barneyMember

Saint posted:
Diane Abbott messed up today

what, with a pair of scissors and no mirror?

5/2/178:25 AM

SaintMember 10 years

£300,000 - I think crazy

Nope - £8million confused

Actually £330million over 4 years and 10,000 recruits

5/2/178:48 AM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Saint posted:

Diane Abbott messed up today

She did, she bamboozled herself with the figures which have actually been costed right. What's annoying me is, Theresa May can flounder on every question, hide from the public, refuse to answer press questions and lock press in a room rather than be caught on camera...but what do we get all over the MSM, Diana Abbott making a complete tool of herself over costing. .

Why are MSM not attacking the tories on....

The NHS

Care to the elderly, cut to 15 minutes visits in a lot of case...people have to be in incontinence pads for 12 hours or more.

The Homeless

The Bedroom tax that is contributing to the homelessness

The Food Banks and the massive rise in the use of them 1.2million in fact. How complex is the use of food banks....people can't afford food, it's not that bloody complex

The despicable cuts the dying and chronically ill which cost more to impose than actually pay out.

The underfunding in schools whilst promising millions for grammar schools.

The working class being £3.000 worse off than in 2007 whilst giving 70 billion tax breaks to the richest in the country.

The 8 page rape from to prove you're not living with your attacker.

The 30 Tory MP's under investigation for election fraud.

The Cabinet Office Propriety and Ethics launching an inquiry into a conflict of interest between Philip May and his job at Capital Group that makes it's money through market sensitive information including Brexit.

The cuts to police, fire, ambulances, libraries,

The list is endless and we can say goodby to the NHS, if they do get back in which is looking likely I hope you all can afford private health insurance. I can't afford it, but the next policy will probably shoot the buggers so it won't really matter.

I truly despair, May won't debate these issues because she can't. Drops mic or in Theresa May's case, drops bomb!

5/2/179:11 AM

SaintMember 10 years

It's odd how OBESITY in children is rising

Whilst FOOD BANKS are needed to feed the nation

Hmmmm

5/2/1710:05 AM

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy ThingMember VIP10 yearsModerator

Saint posted:
It's odd how OBESITY in children is rising

Whilst FOOD BANKS are needed to feed the nation

Hmmmm

Could be that because people can't afford 'propper' food that the children are being fed un-nutritious c**p which is full of empty calories, thus creating unhealthy levels of fat!

5/2/1710:11 AM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Saint posted:
It's odd how OBESITY in children is rising

Whilst FOOD BANKS are needed to feed the nation

Hmmmm

I can't believe you actually posted that...poor diet, cheap foods...chips?!?

5/2/1710:14 AM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

oh and now we know why the press are all over Diane Abbott, after given 6 interviews and getting the figures correct she made a cock up on one...in other news...Tory's corrupt to the core, no wonder she's in hiding nod

5/2/1710:16 AM

SaintMember 10 years

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Saint posted:
It's odd how OBESITY in children is rising

Whilst FOOD BANKS are needed to feed the nation

Hmmmm

I can't believe you actually posted that...poor diet, cheap foods...chips?!?

How dare you peddle the myth that chips are cheap

Honestly

5/2/1710:25 AM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Saint posted:
How dare you peddle the myth that chips are cheap
Honestly

sorry to throw a little bit of common sense into the debate...honestly

5/2/1710:38 AM

Former Member

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Saint posted:

Diane Abbott messed up today

She did, she bamboozled herself with the figures which have actually been costed right. What's annoying me is, Theresa May can flounder on every question, hide from the public, refuse to answer press questions and lock press in a room rather than be caught on camera...but what do we get all over the MSM, Diana Abbott making a complete tool of herself over costing. .

Why are MSM not attacking the tories on....

The NHS

Care to the elderly, cut to 15 minutes visits in a lot of case...people have to be in incontinence pads for 12 hours or more.

The Homeless

The Bedroom tax that is contributing to the homelessness

The Food Banks and the massive rise in the use of them 1.2million in fact. How complex is the use of food banks....people can't afford food, it's not that bloody complex

The despicable cuts the dying and chronically ill which cost more to impose than actually pay out.

The underfunding in schools whilst promising millions for grammar schools.

The working class being £3.000 worse off than in 2007 whilst giving 70 billion tax breaks to the richest in the country.

The 8 page rape from to prove you're not living with your attacker.

The 30 Tory MP's under investigation for election fraud.

The Cabinet Office Propriety and Ethics launching an inquiry into a conflict of interest between Philip May and his job at Capital Group that makes it's money through market sensitive information including Brexit.

The cuts to police, fire, ambulances, libraries,

The list is endless and we can say goodby to the NHS, if they do get back in which is looking likely I hope you all can afford private health insurance. I can't afford it, but the next policy will probably shoot the buggers so it won't really matter.

I truly despair, May won't debate these issues because she can't. Drops mic or in Theresa May's case, drops bomb!

clapping

5/2/1710:51 AM

Former Member

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

oh and now we know why the press are all over Diane Abbott, after given 6 interviews and getting the figures correct she made a cock up on one...in other news...Tory's corrupt to the core, no wonder she's in hiding

It makes me absolutely and totally sick to the core nod

5/2/1710:53 AM

Former Member

And I swear.....if I hear the phrase "strong and stable" once more........ mad mad

5/2/1710:58 AM

SaintMember 10 years

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Saint posted:
How dare you peddle the myth that chips are cheap
Honestly

sorry to throw a little bit of common sense into the debate...honestly

x4 Large Big Mac Meals = £18

x1 loaf - £1.20

x12 eggs = £2.25

x1 milk - £1.00

x12 bananas - £2.00

Scrambled egg for dinner plus banana to finish for around a week = Less than £7

5/2/1710:58 AM

SaintMember 10 years

Sprout posted:
And I swear.....if I hear the phrase "strong and stable" once more........

"Let me make myself absolutely clear"

5/2/1711:00 AM

SaintMember 10 years

https://www.facebook.com/BuzzF...os/1385483308197167/

SPROUTY ^^^^^

5/2/1711:11 AM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Saint posted:
x4 Large Big Mac Meals = £18

x1 loaf - £1.20
x12 eggs = £2.25
x1 milk - £1.00
x12 bananas - £2.00

Scrambled egg for dinner plus banana to finish for around a week = Less than £7

I really can't be bothered if you can't work out the relevance of being poor and a nutritional diet disapp and who mentioned big mac's confused I hope you never are in the situation where you have to use food banks

5/2/1711:13 AM

SaintMember 10 years

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Saint posted:
x4 Large Big Mac Meals = £18

x1 loaf - £1.20
x12 eggs = £2.25
x1 milk - £1.00
x12 bananas - £2.00

Scrambled egg for dinner plus banana to finish for around a week = Less than £7

I really can't be bothered if you can't work out the relevance of being poor and a nutritional diet and who mentioned big mac's I hope you never are in the situation where you have to use food banks

Thank you Dame kiss

5/2/1711:15 AM

Former Member

Saint posted:
https://www.facebook.com/BuzzF...os/1385483308197167/

SPROUTY ^^^^^

If that's a link to her saying that you can forget it. I ain't opening it

5/2/1711:24 AM

SaintMember 10 years

Sprout posted:
Saint posted:
https://www.facebook.com/BuzzF...os/1385483308197167/

SPROUTY ^^^^^
If that's a link to her saying that you can forget it. I ain't opening it

Proves you right though

5/2/1711:31 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.

That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot" rolleyes

FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

5/2/1711:47 AM

SaintMember 10 years

Politics and religion rolleyes

Humans are silly and never learn

5/2/1711:57 AM

Enthusiastic ContrafibularitiesMember 10 years

Saint posted:
Politics and religion

Humans are silly and never learn

Don't start me off on religion.

5/2/171:38 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

velvet donkey posted:
The only thick UK voters are those that would vote Corbyn and Labour.

Nice guy until you scratch the surface and trapped in the eighties. McDonnell would wreck the joint.

How to take a party backwards.

Because selling all the council houses worked so well. Selling all the utilities that are now mostly owned or part own by foreign concerns worked so well. Didn't the Tories mock French socialism, yet now their nationalised network actually has shares in parts of Southern Rail. British people paying through the nose to provide profits for foreign concerns and their shareholders.

Deregulating the banks worked so well. They had to be bailed out by old fashioned state intervention. Not building any new homes worked so well. That war in Iraq, voted for overwhelmingly by the Tories and New Labour's then crypto Tory leader worked out so well!

Actually it's the Tories who are stuck in the 80s, peddling the same failed old rubbish that's crippled the NHS and put working class home ownership into reverse, led to a generation locked out of opportunity their parents had.

5/2/172:35 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot"
FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Sorry, but if you go on the DM website, you will see people approving of things that aren't true but do appear to confirm their prejudices. If I went on the DM and wrote "disgraceful BBC has all female, all black list for head of Midlands Online Media Projects" their readership would approve it because it fits their prejudices. The fact that I made it up wouldn't matter and if someone commented that it was rubbish, they would disapprove of the rebuke because it challenges their bigotry. Seen it time and time again on that website.

So for the record, I've come to my conclusion not by going on the Guardian, The Morning Star, The New Statesman but by visiting popular right wing media sites and seeing how their readership reacts to falsehoods that I know to be absolute rubbish.

Try it for yourself, go on the DM site, make something up like "Corbyn once stamped on a red poppy at a CND demo" and see how many approvals you get. I challenge you on that!

5/2/172:48 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

actually I'll do it for you.

5/2/172:52 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

I posted this message:

May and the Tories are standing up to EU bullies. But what can we expect from Liebore under Corbyn but capitulation and collaboration with those who gang up against the UK - a man who recently stamped on a red poppy at a CND rally. Vote Tory and make Liebore history.

So far one approval no disapprovals and I just made it up.

5/2/173:04 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

2 approvals 1 disapproval

So that's a 2-1 margin for an outright lie so far. I post on that site under the user name "Earl"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...rexit-92billion.html

5/2/173:07 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

9 approvals 1 disapprovals now. A nine to one approval for a LIE!

5/2/173:10 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

10-1 now. So put that in your pipe and smoke it Yogi. Proof, and you can do the same test yourself, that Mail readers are pig ignorant, who will approve a lie if it fits their prejudices. So don't arrogantly tell me that I'm patronising or sneering at voters, 11-1 now.

5/2/173:16 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

12-1 now at 11:24pm

5/2/173:25 PM

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy ThingMember VIP10 yearsModerator

Hang on now. All that proves is that, of the people who have responded to your LIE post, most are of that frame of mind and is NOT indicating anything in particular about the readership in general. You talk about approving things if it fits their prejudice and you deride them for that, yet you have just done the same thing yourself.

Aren't you, metaphorically, rubbing your hands in glee at the 11-1 because it fits YOUR prejudice about their readers?

5/2/173:33 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:
Hang on now. All that proves is that, of the people who have responded to your LIE post, most are of that frame of mind and is NOT indicating anything in particular about the readership in general. You talk about approving things if it fits their prejudice and you deride them for that, yet you have just done the same thing yourself.

Aren't you, metaphorically, rubbing your hands in glee at the 11-1 because it fits YOUR prejudice about their readers?

I am pleased because it proves my observation that people who visit the Mail's site will approve a lie that fits their prejudices and that is a very dangerous thing for our democracy. I'm not sure how I've done anything equal to applauding a lie. I'd welcome an explanation on that.

It's not a prejudice on their readership, it's an observation on the readershp. And I've tested that observation to see if it was just prejudice.

I think I've proven beyond doubt that sneering at people like me who question many voters' ability to make to make a rational choice based on evidence, is just not facing the actual real world where voters DO make decisions based on crappy perceptions that aren't true.

Surely it's a bad thing, regardless of whether it's representative of the Mail's print readership in general, that its internet readership will approve a lie if it's a right wing lie. After all, internet people are still real people with votes, just the same as people who buy the print version!

I said I would test my hypothesis, and my assumption was true. Sorry, no one can argue against that. You are welcome to do the same on the Mail's website or an equally popular left wing website (that excludes the New Statesman and Morning Star etc) - make something up that sounds reasonably plausible to right wingers (or left wingers), and see the results!

5/2/173:51 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot"
FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Sorry, but if you go on the DM website, you will see people approving of things that aren't true but do appear to confirm their prejudices. If I went on the DM and wrote "disgraceful BBC has all female, all black list for head of Midlands Online Media Projects" their readership would approve it because it fits their prejudices. The fact that I made it up wouldn't matter and if someone commented that it was rubbish, they would disapprove of the rebuke because it challenges their bigotry. Seen it time and time again on that website.

So for the record, I've come to my conclusion not by going on the Guardian, The Morning Star, The New Statesman but by visiting popular right wing media sites and seeing how their readership reacts to falsehoods that I know to be absolute rubbish.

Try it for yourself, go on the DM site, make something up like "Corbyn once stamped on a red poppy at a CND demo" and see how many approvals you get. I challenge you on that!

Seriously?! You want me to go onto the website of a newspaper I don't read and make up a downright lie, so that you can prove the lie will get "likes"? crazy

I see you decided to do it by yourself. When you have stopped patting yourself on the back for getting the response you hoped for, I hope you take a step back and see how your "challenge" appears to others.

BTW, I hope the lie isn't something you can be sued for.

I was playing yesterday with my 4 year old granddaughter and she set me a challenge - to build a volcano made of sand. Guess whose challenge was the more mature and better use of my time? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't yours!

To save multi quoting, I am not the one who has been arrogant and sneering, that has been your role.

I don't have a pipe and have never smoked. If you have one, feel free to puff on it as long as you like.

Anyway, I can't take you seriously any more, so feel free to rant away to your hearts content.

5/3/1712:59 AM

BazMember VIP10 years

Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot"
FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Sorry, but if you go on the DM website, you will see people approving of things that aren't true but do appear to confirm their prejudices. If I went on the DM and wrote "disgraceful BBC has all female, all black list for head of Midlands Online Media Projects" their readership would approve it because it fits their prejudices. The fact that I made it up wouldn't matter and if someone commented that it was rubbish, they would disapprove of the rebuke because it challenges their bigotry. Seen it time and time again on that website.

So for the record, I've come to my conclusion not by going on the Guardian, The Morning Star, The New Statesman but by visiting popular right wing media sites and seeing how their readership reacts to falsehoods that I know to be absolute rubbish.

Try it for yourself, go on the DM site, make something up like "Corbyn once stamped on a red poppy at a CND demo" and see how many approvals you get. I challenge you on that!
Seriously?! You want me to go onto the website of a newspaper I don't read and make up a downright lie, so that you can prove you the lie will get "likes"?

I see you decided to do it by yourself. When you have stopped patting yourself on the back for getting the response you hoped for, I hope you take a step back and see how your "challenge" appears to others.
BTW, I hope the lie isn't something you can be sued for.

I was playing yesterday with my 4 year old granddaughter and she set me a challenge - to build a volcano made of sand. Guess whose challenge was the more mature and better use of my time? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't yours!

To save multi quoting, I am not the one who has been arrogant and sneering, that has been your role.
I don't have a pipe and have never smoked. If you have one, feel free to puff on it as long as you like.

Anyway, I can't take you seriously any more, so feel free to rant away to your hearts content.

Empty vessels Yogi ....empty vessels

5/3/172:02 AM

BazMember VIP10 years

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:
Hang on now. All that proves is that, of the people who have responded to your LIE post, most are of that frame of mind and is NOT indicating anything in particular about the readership in general. You talk about approving things if it fits their prejudice and you deride them for that, yet you have just done the same thing yourself.

Aren't you, metaphorically, rubbing your hands in glee at the 11-1 because it fits YOUR prejudice about their readers?

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5/3/172:03 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Baz posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot"
FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Sorry, but if you go on the DM website, you will see people approving of things that aren't true but do appear to confirm their prejudices. If I went on the DM and wrote "disgraceful BBC has all female, all black list for head of Midlands Online Media Projects" their readership would approve it because it fits their prejudices. The fact that I made it up wouldn't matter and if someone commented that it was rubbish, they would disapprove of the rebuke because it challenges their bigotry. Seen it time and time again on that website.

So for the record, I've come to my conclusion not by going on the Guardian, The Morning Star, The New Statesman but by visiting popular right wing media sites and seeing how their readership reacts to falsehoods that I know to be absolute rubbish.

Try it for yourself, go on the DM site, make something up like "Corbyn once stamped on a red poppy at a CND demo" and see how many approvals you get. I challenge you on that!
Seriously?! You want me to go onto the website of a newspaper I don't read and make up a downright lie, so that you can prove you the lie will get "likes"?

I see you decided to do it by yourself. When you have stopped patting yourself on the back for getting the response you hoped for, I hope you take a step back and see how your "challenge" appears to others.
BTW, I hope the lie isn't something you can be sued for.

I was playing yesterday with my 4 year old granddaughter and she set me a challenge - to build a volcano made of sand. Guess whose challenge was the more mature and better use of my time? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't yours!

To save multi quoting, I am not the one who has been arrogant and sneering, that has been your role.
I don't have a pipe and have never smoked. If you have one, feel free to puff on it as long as you like.

Anyway, I can't take you seriously any more, so feel free to rant away to your hearts content.
Empty vessels Yogi ....empty vessels

nod hug

5/3/174:26 AM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Baz posted:
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:
Hang on now. All that proves is that, of the people who have responded to your LIE post, most are of that frame of mind and is NOT indicating anything in particular about the readership in general. You talk about approving things if it fits their prejudice and you deride them for that, yet you have just done the same thing yourself.

Aren't you, metaphorically, rubbing your hands in glee at the 11-1 because it fits YOUR prejudice about their readers?

It wasn't prejudice - it was observation! FGS! Observation that's been proven as a fact. Obviously you two aren't bothered that there's a load of voters who are bigoted idiots, who'll approve of a lie if it fits their perceptions, but it does bother me and it directly impacts on how we elect our government and how we're governered.

So can you give me one good reason why people who approve of lies should be given an ounce of respect for their decision making?

5/3/176:11 AM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot"
FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Sorry, but if you go on the DM website, you will see people approving of things that aren't true but do appear to confirm their prejudices. If I went on the DM and wrote "disgraceful BBC has all female, all black list for head of Midlands Online Media Projects" their readership would approve it because it fits their prejudices. The fact that I made it up wouldn't matter and if someone commented that it was rubbish, they would disapprove of the rebuke because it challenges their bigotry. Seen it time and time again on that website.

So for the record, I've come to my conclusion not by going on the Guardian, The Morning Star, The New Statesman but by visiting popular right wing media sites and seeing how their readership reacts to falsehoods that I know to be absolute rubbish.

Try it for yourself, go on the DM site, make something up like "Corbyn once stamped on a red poppy at a CND demo" and see how many approvals you get. I challenge you on that!
Seriously?! You want me to go onto the website of a newspaper I don't read and make up a downright lie, so that you can prove the lie will get "likes"?

I see you decided to do it by yourself. When you have stopped patting yourself on the back for getting the response you hoped for, I hope you take a step back and see how your "challenge" appears to others.
BTW, I hope the lie isn't something you can be sued for.

I was playing yesterday with my 4 year old granddaughter and she set me a challenge - to build a volcano made of sand. Guess whose challenge was the more mature and better use of my time? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't yours!

To save multi quoting, I am not the one who has been arrogant and sneering, that has been your role.
I don't have a pipe and have never smoked. If you have one, feel free to puff on it as long as you like.

Anyway, I can't take you seriously any more, so feel free to rant away to your hearts content.

Oh aren't we all superior. If people approve of made up stuff, they don't deserve respect, the deserve to be sneered at. What an arrogant attitude you have. I can't take anyone seriously who defends people who approve of made up stuff because it fits their prejudices.

5/3/176:17 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot"
FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Sorry, but if you go on the DM website, you will see people approving of things that aren't true but do appear to confirm their prejudices. If I went on the DM and wrote "disgraceful BBC has all female, all black list for head of Midlands Online Media Projects" their readership would approve it because it fits their prejudices. The fact that I made it up wouldn't matter and if someone commented that it was rubbish, they would disapprove of the rebuke because it challenges their bigotry. Seen it time and time again on that website.

So for the record, I've come to my conclusion not by going on the Guardian, The Morning Star, The New Statesman but by visiting popular right wing media sites and seeing how their readership reacts to falsehoods that I know to be absolute rubbish.

Try it for yourself, go on the DM site, make something up like "Corbyn once stamped on a red poppy at a CND demo" and see how many approvals you get. I challenge you on that!
Seriously?! You want me to go onto the website of a newspaper I don't read and make up a downright lie, so that you can prove the lie will get "likes"?

I see you decided to do it by yourself. When you have stopped patting yourself on the back for getting the response you hoped for, I hope you take a step back and see how your "challenge" appears to others.
BTW, I hope the lie isn't something you can be sued for.

I was playing yesterday with my 4 year old granddaughter and she set me a challenge - to build a volcano made of sand. Guess whose challenge was the more mature and better use of my time? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't yours!

To save multi quoting, I am not the one who has been arrogant and sneering, that has been your role.
I don't have a pipe and have never smoked. If you have one, feel free to puff on it as long as you like.

Anyway, I can't take you seriously any more, so feel free to rant away to your hearts content.
Oh aren't we all superior. If people approve of made up stuff, they don't deserve respect, the deserve to be sneered at. What an arrogant attitude you have. I can't take anyone seriously who defends people who approve of made up stuff because it fits their prejudices.

BiB: You now accept you were the person doing the sneering?

I'm not the one who thinks that people who don't vote for the same party as me are idiots. So, arrogant and superior? - Time to take a good hard look at yourself.

5/3/176:30 AM

BazMember VIP10 years

Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot"
FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Sorry, but if you go on the DM website, you will see people approving of things that aren't true but do appear to confirm their prejudices. If I went on the DM and wrote "disgraceful BBC has all female, all black list for head of Midlands Online Media Projects" their readership would approve it because it fits their prejudices. The fact that I made it up wouldn't matter and if someone commented that it was rubbish, they would disapprove of the rebuke because it challenges their bigotry. Seen it time and time again on that website.

So for the record, I've come to my conclusion not by going on the Guardian, The Morning Star, The New Statesman but by visiting popular right wing media sites and seeing how their readership reacts to falsehoods that I know to be absolute rubbish.

Try it for yourself, go on the DM site, make something up like "Corbyn once stamped on a red poppy at a CND demo" and see how many approvals you get. I challenge you on that!
Seriously?! You want me to go onto the website of a newspaper I don't read and make up a downright lie, so that you can prove the lie will get "likes"?

I see you decided to do it by yourself. When you have stopped patting yourself on the back for getting the response you hoped for, I hope you take a step back and see how your "challenge" appears to others.
BTW, I hope the lie isn't something you can be sued for.

I was playing yesterday with my 4 year old granddaughter and she set me a challenge - to build a volcano made of sand. Guess whose challenge was the more mature and better use of my time? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't yours!

To save multi quoting, I am not the one who has been arrogant and sneering, that has been your role.
I don't have a pipe and have never smoked. If you have one, feel free to puff on it as long as you like.

Anyway, I can't take you seriously any more, so feel free to rant away to your hearts content.
Oh aren't we all superior. If people approve of made up stuff, they don't deserve respect, the deserve to be sneered at. What an arrogant attitude you have. I can't take anyone seriously who defends people who approve of made up stuff because it fits their prejudices.

Oh FGS Carnelian , do you really have nothing better to do than constantly gripe , gripe , gripe !! How about just accepting the fact that not everyone agrees with your view of the world. That does not make them thick, moronic or any other insulting epithet .....it just means they have a different viewpoint , which they are totally entitled to have !! And if you can't carry an argument without resulting to insults maybe it's better to just bow out !!

5/3/177:42 AM

CarnelianMember 10 years

FGS, stop your line of poor reasoning! We are posting on a Big Brother forum! Let's remind ourselves that BB has among its wanton intention to titillate viewers with salaciousness and contrived personality clashes, also an agenda to look at the human condition and group dynamics. That was the pull of BB for me originally and why I got so into the show. Sadly the show's just degenerated into a cliched bore under C5's ownership.

You haughtily dismissed my test as being worse than building a sand castle but my experiment was testing an assumption on group dynamics and seeing the outcome.

It's not about rubbishing people who don't agree with my politics, it's about people who will applaud a falsehood when it agrees with their own prejudices! Why are you struggling so hard to understand this?

Isn't that a bad thing? Why are you defending bigots? Only a bigot would defend bigots!

I don't apologise for venting over voters who will applaud a lie and I don't really understand why you are so hostile to that sentiment. Left, centre or right, bigotry is bigotry.

Let me make this clear, I get that not every Tory voter is some DM nutter who will applaud a lie, but it's greatly disconcerting that any voters are After all, don't we all want voters to make informed decisions based on actual facts?

Those Mail readers could have commented "Corbyn is a dangerous idiot but where is your evidence for that claim?" they didn't and I've since put up a post saying that the event I described didn't happen.

Now, in my view, the Mail should do due diligence on the statements of its contributors. It doesn't - it allows bullshit to remain on its site and influence the perceptions of visitors.

5/3/174:11 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot"
FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Sorry, but if you go on the DM website, you will see people approving of things that aren't true but do appear to confirm their prejudices. If I went on the DM and wrote "disgraceful BBC has all female, all black list for head of Midlands Online Media Projects" their readership would approve it because it fits their prejudices. The fact that I made it up wouldn't matter and if someone commented that it was rubbish, they would disapprove of the rebuke because it challenges their bigotry. Seen it time and time again on that website.

So for the record, I've come to my conclusion not by going on the Guardian, The Morning Star, The New Statesman but by visiting popular right wing media sites and seeing how their readership reacts to falsehoods that I know to be absolute rubbish.

Try it for yourself, go on the DM site, make something up like "Corbyn once stamped on a red poppy at a CND demo" and see how many approvals you get. I challenge you on that!
Seriously?! You want me to go onto the website of a newspaper I don't read and make up a downright lie, so that you can prove the lie will get "likes"?

I see you decided to do it by yourself. When you have stopped patting yourself on the back for getting the response you hoped for, I hope you take a step back and see how your "challenge" appears to others.
BTW, I hope the lie isn't something you can be sued for.

I was playing yesterday with my 4 year old granddaughter and she set me a challenge - to build a volcano made of sand. Guess whose challenge was the more mature and better use of my time? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't yours!

To save multi quoting, I am not the one who has been arrogant and sneering, that has been your role.
I don't have a pipe and have never smoked. If you have one, feel free to puff on it as long as you like.

Anyway, I can't take you seriously any more, so feel free to rant away to your hearts content.
Oh aren't we all superior. If people approve of made up stuff, they don't deserve respect, the deserve to be sneered at. What an arrogant attitude you have. I can't take anyone seriously who defends people who approve of made up stuff because it fits their prejudices.

BiB: You now accept you were the person doing the sneering?
I'm not the one who thinks that people who don't vote for the same party as me are idiots. So, arrogant and superior? - Time to take a good hard look at yourself.

So you would applaud or defend voters who approve of lies? You are quite an Orwellian character, trying to chastise someone who'd condemn someone who'd sneer at a voter who voted in a way because they believed a lie.

Seriously, Orwell's 1984 was written about people with your mentality.

5/3/174:49 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Orwell's 1984, wasn't a rebuke of communism or Stalinism, it was comment on a state's potential control of its citizens through subtle propaganda and the inherent human ability to agree with two opposing things at the same time.

I see this in the right wing. Many of those who will state that the EU is a French/German stitch up will also applaud Marine Le Pen's view that France has been greatly wronged by the EU. France can't be wronged while being privileged at the same time, yet the rightist media will promote those two contradictory points.

5/3/175:01 PM

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy ThingMember VIP10 yearsModerator

Carnelian, someone who says they do not agree with ALL aspects of YOUR argument is not automatically saying they agree with ANY OR ALL aspect of the views of those you argue against. If you cannot see this then you are as blinkered as (allegedly) those you rail against.

Nobody is defending said bigots or bigotry. What people are saying is that you cannot leap in and trash a whole group of people on the basis of what a smaller sub-group of these people are doing/saying. This may not have been your intention, exactly, but the language and hostility that comes across from your postings gives that impression.

5/3/175:23 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Carnelian posted:
FGS, stop your line of poor reasoning! We are posting on a Big Brother forum! Let's remind ourselves that BB has among its wanton intention to titillate viewers with salaciousness and contrived personality clashes, also an agenda to look at the human condition and group dynamics. That was the pull of BB for me originally and why I got so into the show. Sadly the show's just degenerated into a cliched bore under C5's ownership.

You haughtily dismissed my test as being worse than building a sand castle but my experiment was testing an assumption on group dynamics and seeing the outcome.

It's not about rubbishing people who don't agree with my politics, it's about people who will applaud a falsehood when it agrees with their own prejudices! Why are you struggling so hard to understand this?

Isn't that a bad thing? Why are you defending bigots? Only a bigot would defend bigots!

I don't apologise for venting over voters who will applaud a lie and I don't really understand why you are so hostile to that sentiment. Left, centre or right, bigotry is bigotry.

Let me make this clear, I get that not every Tory voter is some DM nutter who will applaud a lie, but it's greatly disconcerting that any voters are After all, don't we all want voters to make informed decisions based on actual facts?

Those Mail readers could have commented "Corbyn is a dangerous idiot but where is your evidence for that claim?" they didn't and I've since put up a post saying that the event I described didn't happen.

Now, in my view, the Mail should do due diligence on the statements of its contributors. It doesn't - it allows bullshit to remain on its site and influence the perceptions of visitors.

Carnelian, I was not defending the people who replied to your lie on the DM site.

The only right I defend, is the right to hold a different opinion from you - and that is something you struggle to accept.

So far in this thread, you have suggested I am an idiot and now a bigot - I am neither, however, you seem totally intolerant to anyone who doesn't see things your way and FYI that is the definition of a bigot.

Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
That smacks of "read the same newspapers as me/come to the same conclusions as me/think the same as me/vote the same as me - otherwise you're an idiot"
FYI, I don't read any of the newspapers you mentioned and I'd be very interested to know which newspapers are on Carnelian's approved reading list.

IMO, there is a huge difference between someone who is passionate about their political beliefs and a political zealot who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Sorry, but if you go on the DM website, you will see people approving of things that aren't true but do appear to confirm their prejudices. If I went on the DM and wrote "disgraceful BBC has all female, all black list for head of Midlands Online Media Projects" their readership would approve it because it fits their prejudices. The fact that I made it up wouldn't matter and if someone commented that it was rubbish, they would disapprove of the rebuke because it challenges their bigotry. Seen it time and time again on that website.

So for the record, I've come to my conclusion not by going on the Guardian, The Morning Star, The New Statesman but by visiting popular right wing media sites and seeing how their readership reacts to falsehoods that I know to be absolute rubbish.

Try it for yourself, go on the DM site, make something up like "Corbyn once stamped on a red poppy at a CND demo" and see how many approvals you get. I challenge you on that!
Seriously?! You want me to go onto the website of a newspaper I don't read and make up a downright lie, so that you can prove the lie will get "likes"?

I see you decided to do it by yourself. When you have stopped patting yourself on the back for getting the response you hoped for, I hope you take a step back and see how your "challenge" appears to others.
BTW, I hope the lie isn't something you can be sued for.

I was playing yesterday with my 4 year old granddaughter and she set me a challenge - to build a volcano made of sand. Guess whose challenge was the more mature and better use of my time? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't yours!

To save multi quoting, I am not the one who has been arrogant and sneering, that has been your role.
I don't have a pipe and have never smoked. If you have one, feel free to puff on it as long as you like.

Anyway, I can't take you seriously any more, so feel free to rant away to your hearts content.
Oh aren't we all superior. If people approve of made up stuff, they don't deserve respect, the deserve to be sneered at. What an arrogant attitude you have. I can't take anyone seriously who defends people who approve of made up stuff because it fits their prejudices.

BiB: You now accept you were the person doing the sneering?
I'm not the one who thinks that people who don't vote for the same party as me are idiots. So, arrogant and superior? - Time to take a good hard look at yourself.

So you would applaud or defend voters who approve of lies? You are quite an Orwellian character, trying to chastise someone who'd condemn someone who'd sneer at a voter who voted in a way because they believed a lie.

Seriously, Orwell's 1984 was written about people with your mentality.

I have never applauded or defended anyone who approves of lies. Stop trying to twist things and put words into my mouth.

You are the one doing the sneering at anyone who doesn't see things your way.

Your default position is to resort to name calling and insulting anyone who disagrees with you, it's the stuff of school playgrounds. So carry on with your nasty ranting, I have wasted enough time on this.

5/3/1711:33 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:
Carnelian, someone who says they do not agree with ALL aspects of YOUR argument is not automatically saying they agree with ANY OR ALL aspect of the views of those you argue against. If you cannot see this then you are as blinkered as (allegedly) those you rail against.
Nobody is defending said bigots or bigotry. What people are saying is that you cannot leap in and trash a whole group of people on the basis of what a smaller sub-group of these people are doing/saying. This may not have been your intention, exactly, but the language and hostility that comes across from your postings gives that impression.

clapping

5/3/1711:34 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Carnelian I can't decide whether you are a WUM , or whether you actually believe all the stuff you spout . If it is the former , then congratulations , you got us good laugh

If, as I suspect , it is the latter, then all I can say is that it must get very lonely up there in your ivory tower looking down on all us fallible mortals ! But for the record , by your own admission , the only one lying around here appears to be you . As for who is coming across as a bigot in all this , I'll let you work that out for yourself !

Plus , I can't help but wonder , if Labour get into power in the local and general elections , will you be miraculously revising your views on the ignorant (insert your own swear word) electorate

5/4/172:00 AM

KayteeMember 10 years

Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.

I made up my own mind re Brexit without the help of any biased reporting but with the benefit of hindsight garnered from my own reading of economic journals, social and economic history and current economics. I have a double first class honours in History with social and economic history and extensive study of the EU. My decisions are my own and I keep my decision on voting to myself. I may or may not agree with you but whichever way I go I certainly am not thick....look at yourself before you throw insults at others eh?

5/4/1711:47 AM

pirate1111Member

Saint posted:
Labour - pro Europe = soft on Brexit issues (immigration)

Tory - anti-Europe = hard on Brexit issues (immigration)

Voters see terrorism and free movement as the same thing = Vote Tory

when theresa may was home sec..she did sod all about immigration, if people took the time to look at her track record, they'd see she's actually as thick as pig sh!te, votes for wars, hates gays & got away with a conflict of interest regarding her husband profits from brexit..as he has first hand knowledge of whats going on.

The MSM arent addressing the FACT that HSBC has literally gave tories laundered money, the FACT that 30 tory mps are under investigation for fraud & the FACT that the CPS were due to release their findings of the fraud the day BEFORE the election but due to pressure from No10 those findings will now not be released until June 12th

yaaaay

vote tory

5/4/1712:50 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

pirate1111 posted:
when theresa may was home sec..she did sod all about immigration, if people took the time to look at her track record, they'd see she's actually as thick as pig sh!te, votes for wars, hates gays & got away with a conflict of interest regarding her husband profits from brexit..as he has first hand knowledge of whats going on.
The MSM arent addressing the FACT that HSBC has literally gave tories laundered money, the FACT that 30 tory mps are under investigation for fraud & the FACT that the CPS were due to release their findings of the fraud the day BEFORE the election but due to pressure from No10 those findings will now not be released until June 12th
yaaaay
vote tory

and more to come out Pirate, the BBC had 30.000 tweets thrown at them earlier today for not reporting any of it...disgusting in a democracy mad

5/4/171:13 PM

pirate1111Member

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
pirate1111 posted:
when theresa may was home sec..she did sod all about immigration, if people took the time to look at her track record, they'd see she's actually as thick as pig sh!te, votes for wars, hates gays & got away with a conflict of interest regarding her husband profits from brexit..as he has first hand knowledge of whats going on.
The MSM arent addressing the FACT that HSBC has literally gave tories laundered money, the FACT that 30 tory mps are under investigation for fraud & the FACT that the CPS were due to release their findings of the fraud the day BEFORE the election but due to pressure from No10 those findings will now not be released until June 12th
yaaaay
vote tory

and more to come out Pirate, the BBC had 30.000 tweets thrown at them earlier today for not reporting any of it...disgusting in a democracy

yeah..but seeing as most MSM is owned by tax avoiders, its in medias interest NOT to report about these, in my opinion, well in anybody normal opinions, disgraceful abuses of office.

jeez, 40yrs ago, they'd have been slung out of office!

it goes to show how much sway the media has, how many backhanders are given and how stupid some are to believe the information theyre hand fed

5/4/171:20 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

pirate1111 posted:
yeah..but seeing as most MSM is owned by tax avoiders, its in medias interest NOT to report about these, in my opinion, well in anybody normal opinions, disgraceful abuses of office.
jeez, 40yrs ago, they'd have been slung out of office!
it goes to show how much sway the media has, how many backhanders are given and how stupid some are to believe the information theyre hand fed

nod

and now a poll is involved...polls are owned by the rich and meant to influence voters. I saw some of the YouGov questions...it was disgraceful. I can't believe people fall for all this crap and ignore the failures of this government and the NHS which is falling apart at the seams and ripe for privatising fully. mad

5/4/171:23 PM

Former Member

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
pirate1111 posted:
yeah..but seeing as most MSM is owned by tax avoiders, its in medias interest NOT to report about these, in my opinion, well in anybody normal opinions, disgraceful abuses of office.
jeez, 40yrs ago, they'd have been slung out of office!
it goes to show how much sway the media has, how many backhanders are given and how stupid some are to believe the information theyre hand fed

and now a poll is involved...polls are owned by the rich and meant to influence voters. I saw some of the YouGov questions...it was disgraceful. I can't believe people fall for all this crap and ignore the failures of this government and the NHS which is falling apart at the seams and ripe for privatising fully.

Yep, I've never been asked to contribute 'in the street' as it were, and even if I was I'd refuse nod

So making a mockery of any poll that's out there, but some peeps still believe nod

5/4/171:41 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Kaytee posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
I made up my own mind re Brexit without the help of any biased reporting but with the benefit of hindsight garnered from my own reading of economic journals, social and economic history and current economics. I have a double first class honours in History with social and economic history and extensive study of the EU. My decisions are my own and I keep my decision on voting to myself. I may or may not agree with you but whichever way I go I certainly am not thick....look at yourself before you throw insults at others eh?

Well that's fine, but millions were persuaded by lies. £350 million to the NHS being an outright lie concocted by the cabal of Brexiters including some Labour people. The key person who promoted that lie is now a senior cabinet minister! I know of people across the political spectrum who voted Brexit and actually I can see the left wing case for Brexit, but it doesn't alter the fact that a survey was undertaken and most people believed that £350m would be available for the NHS - ironic coming from politicians who've previously favoured privatisation of the NHS.

Additionally, if Brexit turns out to be a car crash - which I suspect it will - who will you blame? Yourself for voting for it, or Europe? If it turns out to be fantastic success you can say "I told you so" to people like me. For the record, I thought the UK should join the Euro, I was wrong on that. I admit I'm capable of making the wrong call.

So you need to stop jerking your knee, I don't think all Tories or Brexiters are 'thick' but I really do have a problem with idiots who will applaud a lie if it fits their prejudice.

I also have a problem with those who think May's grandstanding is some sort of Churchillian statement. We need a PM who will be constructive and concilitory. I do think Corbyn would be a far better negotiator than a belligerent idiot who evokes WW2 at every turn and plays to a gallery of right wing tabloid readers.

The EU holds the best cards. The fact is, if the UK's negotiating position is "we will leave, good or bad deal" then why offer a good deal? So many are delusional. Theresa May can't 'handbag' the EU into a favourable deal for the UK because her hand is crap. Thatcher got her deal because the EU wanted the UK to stay within the EU. If you're leaving regardless, what's in it for the EU? They're going to offer a crap deal and no matter how belligerent May is, they won't care. They don't have to answer to the UK Tory press. So are we supposed to go to war with Europe over this?

This probably won't cut any ice with you, but our media is run by foreign billionaires who (in my opinion) don't give a two f***s about the welfare of the British working and middle classes as long as their personal agenda is served.

5/4/174:24 PM

CarnelianMember 10 years

Imagine saying to your boss, "I'm leaving this shit firm no matter what you say" and then asking for leaving pay off. That's May's position in a nutshell. An empty hand but full of xenophobic bullshit and vitriol.

5/4/174:34 PM

pirate1111Member

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
pirate1111 posted:
yeah..but seeing as most MSM is owned by tax avoiders, its in medias interest NOT to report about these, in my opinion, well in anybody normal opinions, disgraceful abuses of office.
jeez, 40yrs ago, they'd have been slung out of office!
it goes to show how much sway the media has, how many backhanders are given and how stupid some are to believe the information theyre hand fed

and now a poll is involved...polls are owned by the rich and meant to influence voters. I saw some of the YouGov questions...it was disgraceful. I can't believe people fall for all this crap and ignore the failures of this government and the NHS which is falling apart at the seams and ripe for privatising fully.

yougov was started by a tory & is owned by a tory..if they ever put labour as winning, its because theyre trying to seem impartial

5/5/1711:43 AM

pirate1111Member

Carnelian posted:
Kaytee posted:
Carnelian posted:
Yogi19 posted:
IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.
If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote. I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.
If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags. They deserve all the scorn coming to them. The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion. The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots. You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.
I made up my own mind re Brexit without the help of any biased reporting but with the benefit of hindsight garnered from my own reading of economic journals, social and economic history and current economics. I have a double first class honours in History with social and economic history and extensive study of the EU. My decisions are my own and I keep my decision on voting to myself. I may or may not agree with you but whichever way I go I certainly am not thick....look at yourself before you throw insults at others eh?
Well that's fine, but millions were persuaded by lies. £350 million to the NHS being an outright lie concocted by the cabal of Brexiters including some Labour people. The key person who promoted that lie is now a senior cabinet minister! I know of people across the political spectrum who voted Brexit and actually I can see the left wing case for Brexit, but it doesn't alter the fact that a survey was undertaken and most people believed that £350m would be available for the NHS - ironic coming from politicians who've previously favoured privatisation of the NHS.

Additionally, if Brexit turns out to be a car crash - which I suspect it will - who will you blame? Yourself for voting for it, or Europe? If it turns out to be fantastic success you can say "I told you so" to people like me. For the record, I thought the UK should join the Euro, I was wrong on that. I admit I'm capable of making the wrong call.

So you need to stop jerking your knee, I don't think all Tories or Brexiters are 'thick' but I really do have a problem with idiots who will applaud a lie if it fits their prejudice.
I also have a problem with those who think May's grandstanding is some sort of Churchillian statement. We need a PM who will be constructive and concilitory. I do think Corbyn would be a far better negotiator than a belligerent idiot who evokes WW2 at every turn and plays to a gallery of right wing tabloid readers.

The EU holds the best cards. The fact is, if the UK's negotiating position is "we will leave, good or bad deal" then why offer a good deal? So many are delusional. Theresa May can't 'handbag' the EU into a favourable deal for the UK because her hand is crap. Thatcher got her deal because the EU wanted the UK to stay within the EU. If you're leaving regardless, what's in it for the EU? They're going to offer a crap deal and no matter how belligerent May is, they won't care. They don't have to answer to the UK Tory press. So are we supposed to go to war with Europe over this?
This probably won't cut any ice with you, but our media is run by foreign billionaires who (in my opinion) don't give a two f***s about the welfare of the British working and middle classes as long as their personal agenda is served.

So you need to stop jerking your knee, I don't think all Tories or Brexiters are 'thick' but I really do have a problem with idiots who will applaud a lie if it fits their prejudice.

and you got it in one

5/5/1711:45 AM

Enthusiastic ContrafibularitiesMember 10 years

The best thing about ^ is the UKIP losses.

5/5/1712:01 PM

pirate1111Member

5/5/1712:05 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

we know all that Pirate thumb The public don't because the the full welt of the Tory backed media and total control of the BBC, journalist from the BBC and now openly tweeting negative remarks to slander Corby whilst hiding the news ..Only honest thing that comes out of the news and papers is the weather forecast, sad times fro the UK , control the media, control, the people. nod

5/5/1712:31 PM

KayteeMember 10 years

Carnelian posted:
Imagine saying to your boss, "I'm leaving this shit firm no matter what you say" and then asking for leaving pay off. That's May's position in a nutshell. An empty hand but full of xenophobic bullshit and vitriol.

I did that and got the pay off because I knew where the skeletons were buried

5/5/171:02 PM

BazMember VIP10 years

Kaytee posted:
Carnelian posted:
Imagine saying to your boss, "I'm leaving this shit firm no matter what you say" and then asking for leaving pay off. That's May's position in a nutshell. An empty hand but full of xenophobic bullshit and vitriol.
I did that and got the pay off because I knew where the skeletons were buried

laugh clapping

5/5/171:10 PM

Former Member

Can I just say, I could totally weep for this country and the way it's going cry

These local elections have been totally based on the Euro vote and 'she' knew exactly what she was doing. disapp

I hate the policies of this Government and all they stand for and just wish others could see what they are doing

5/5/173:27 PM

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy ThingMember VIP10 yearsModerator

I totally agree Sprout........and as for this "I take nothing for granted" nonsense. She takes it all for granted, that's why she's doing this and also to deflect from the impending finances scandal.

5/6/1712:32 AM

Former Member

FFS! she can't resist it can she rolleyes I've just seen the news tonight......strong and stable....again! crazy

5/6/172:05 PM

Former Member

She doesn't want a debate.....cos she can't debate! It's my way or the highway!

5/6/172:06 PM

Duchess of AlbaMember

Carnellian, Dame Ann, Pirate and Sprout are 100% right. The rest of you are compensating and should be ashamed of yourselves.

5/7/178:52 AM

Duchess of AlbaMember

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

5/7/178:52 AM

BazMember VIP10 years

Duchess of Alba posted:
Carnellian, Dame Ann, Pirate and Sprout are 100% right. The rest of you are compensating and should be ashamed of yourselves.

Everyone is entitled to their own viewpoint Duchess ....from mine it's you who is *compensating* laugh .....but as far as I'm concerned no one should be ashamed of themselves ..... and I don't understand that mentality at all I'm afraid .

5/7/179:24 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Duchess of Alba posted:
Carnellian, Dame Ann, Pirate and Sprout are 100% right. The rest of you are compensating and should be ashamed of yourselves.

You are entitled to your opinion, even though I strongly disagree with it.

Such a shame, it seems you can't afford the same courtesy to those who don't share your political opinions.

5/7/1710:57 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Duchess of Alba posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.

5/7/1710:59 AM

Jen-StarMember VIP10 yearsModerator

Sprout posted:
Can I just say, I could totally weep for this country and the way it's going

These local elections have been totally based on the Euro vote and 'she' knew exactly what she was doing.

I hate the policies of this Government and all they stand for and just wish others could see what they are doing

This is exactly how i feel Sprouty

5/7/173:14 PM

kimotaMember 10 years

Jen-Star posted:
Sprout posted:
Can I just say, I could totally weep for this country and the way it's going

These local elections have been totally based on the Euro vote and 'she' knew exactly what she was doing.

I hate the policies of this Government and all they stand for and just wish others could see what they are doing

This is exactly how i feel Sprouty

Me too!

5/7/1711:14 PM

Duchess of AlbaMember

Yogi19 posted:
Duchess of Alba posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.

Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example.

5/8/172:38 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Duchess of Alba posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Duchess of Alba posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.
Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example.

Apologies, I don't drink herbal tea so I hadn't realised you leave the teabag in the cup when you drink it.

BTW, I'm a Scottish unionist who voted 'remain' in the EU referendum, so your Little Englander barb was aimed at the wrong target.

If you are only going to post insults, I'll leave you to get on with it.

5/8/173:41 AM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

strong and stable through the eyes of Jonathon Pie, it's satire, some sweary words but they accurate as to what damage the Tories have done over the last seven years whilst heaping tax cuts on the rich...shame on them.

5/8/175:10 AM

BazMember VIP10 years

Duchess of Alba posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Duchess of Alba posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.
Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example.

Do Little Englanders drink different tea from everyone else ....or is that yet another sweeping Left Wing generalisation laugh

5/8/177:40 AM

Duchess of AlbaMember

Baz posted:
Duchess of Alba posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Duchess of Alba posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.
Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example.
Do Little Englanders drink different tea from everyone else ....or is that yet another sweeping Left Wing generalisation

Not that I am aware of. I liked your post, because it amused me, almost as much as you amused yourself.

5/8/178:25 AM

BazMember VIP10 years

Duchess of Alba posted:
Baz posted:
Duchess of Alba posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Duchess of Alba posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.
Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example.
Do Little Englanders drink different tea from everyone else ....or is that yet another sweeping Left Wing generalisation
Not that I am aware of. I liked your post, because it amused me, almost as much as you amused yourself.

Always happy to oblige Duchess laugh

5/8/178:32 AM

Former Member

Hmmm, no case to answer regarding the Battle Bus, but one still outstanding......

5/10/172:10 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

Sprout posted:
Hmmm, no case to answer regarding the Battle Bus, but one still outstanding......

administrative error 30 times from one woman's bank account...remember that when you fill your tax form in laugh wonder how they are going to explain 5 million of laundered money....swept under a blue rug laugh

5/10/172:27 PM

Former Member

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Sprout posted:
Hmmm, no case to answer regarding the Battle Bus, but one still outstanding......

administrative error 30 times from one woman's bank account...remember that when you fill your tax form in wonder how they are going to explain 5 million of laundered money....swept under a blue rug

nod

5/10/172:31 PM

Jen-StarMember VIP10 yearsModerator

Just gonna leave this here glance

This shows the way these two politicians have VOTED on a range of issues over their careers. Not what they've said about it to television cameras, not what newspapers have told you. This is the way they've voted when it's come down to it.

5/10/173:07 PM

Former Member

Kinda says it all, doesn't it Jen, although in some ways I'm not against ID cards. And I never thought I'd say that eek

5/10/173:49 PM

Jen-StarMember VIP10 yearsModerator

Sprout posted:
Kinda says it all, doesn't it Jen, although in some ways I'm not against ID cards. And I never thought I'd say that

I'm dead against them, they are a gateway to chipping people imo kiss

5/10/174:25 PM

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