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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
Cameron is desperate for an election, lest more damage is done by revelations. I read this morning that the Tories have lost 10 points on Labour because of the scandal. I hope Gordy ekes it out until next year Big Grin


Whoever is behind all this is probably worried that there may be a recovery, and that the remaining dozen or so Labour MPs take the credit.
Garage Joe
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Originally posted by Scotty:
I`d rather focus on the rich cheating man than the ordinary builder who hasn`t paid vat. I realise that may seem classist ( is that word?) but there are bigger fish to fry. Most of them are living in mansions.


After a conversation I had with a hypocritical local builder today in the Sandwich Shop. I would rather they go for all of the cheats.
Now!
Over to you Daily Telegraph

If they had been so called benefit cheats they would have thrown the book at them.
Garage Joe
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by Scotty:
I`d rather focus on the rich cheating man than the ordinary builder who hasn`t paid vat. I realise that may seem classist ( is that word?) but there are bigger fish to fry. Most of them are living in mansions.


After a conversation I had with a hypocritical local builder today in the Sandwich Shop. I would rather they go for all of the cheats.
Now!
Over to you Daily Telegraph

If they had been so called benefit cheats they would have thrown the book at them.


Garage Joe
Well said Clapping Clapping Thumbs Up
Mike Strutter
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by Scotty:
I`d rather focus on the rich cheating man than the ordinary builder who hasn`t paid vat. I realise that may seem classist ( is that word?) but there are bigger fish to fry. Most of them are living in mansions.


After a conversation I had with a hypocritical local builder today in the Sandwich Shop. I would rather they go for all of the cheats.
Now!
Over to you Daily Telegraph

If they had been so called benefit cheats they would have thrown the book at them.


I don`t know what your conversation was with the builder, therefore I can`t comment. Maybe you can expand.

As for cheats, yes it would be wonderful world if we could expose all but that`s a never ending story. The Telegraph are focusing on cheating MPs and that will do for me right now. I want them out.
Scotty
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Originally posted by Scotty:
I don`t know what your conversation was with the builder, therefore I can`t comment. Maybe you can expand.

As for cheats, yes it would be wonderful world if we could expose all but that`s a never ending story. The Telegraph are focusing on cheating MPs and that will do for me right now. I want them out.


He was someone I know to be on the take.
I believe it was that Jebus one who said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone!"
Garage Joe
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by Scotty:
I don`t know what your conversation was with the builder, therefore I can`t comment. Maybe you can expand.

As for cheats, yes it would be wonderful world if we could expose all but that`s a never ending story. The Telegraph are focusing on cheating MPs and that will do for me right now. I want them out.


He was someone I know to be on the take.
I believe it was that Jebus one who said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone!"


Did the lone builder cast the first stone?

I`m serious Joe..what is your point?
Scotty
Haven't read all the posts, too many. Also I don't buy newspapers but watch Sky News most days and keep hearing all the different names and circumstances. What I don't understand is why some have been sacked and some haven't, and will or should any of them be answerable to the Tax inspectors or any other body if they've claimed unjustly.

From what I saw on the news earlier many seem to be jumping before they're pushed.
Yellow Rose
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Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Haven't read all the posts, too many. Also I don't buy newspapers but Sky News most days and keep hearing all the different names and circumstances. What I don't understand is why some have been sacked and some haven't, and will or should any of them be answerable to the Tax inspectors or any other body if they've claimed unjustly.

From what I saw on the news earlier many seem to be jumping before they're pushed.

There's no leadership. Gordon Brown is a spent force (if he ever was a force). He is just set on the 'big job', he's become a useless tool in the party, a reactionary rather than an action man.
cologne 1
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Originally posted by cologne1:
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Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Haven't read all the posts, too many. Also I don't buy newspapers but Sky News most days and keep hearing all the different names and circumstances. What I don't understand is why some have been sacked and some haven't, and will or should any of them be answerable to the Tax inspectors or any other body if they've claimed unjustly.

From what I saw on the news earlier many seem to be jumping before they're pushed.

There's no leadership. Gordon Brown is a spent force (if he ever was a force). He is just set on the 'big job', he's become a useless tool in the party, a reactionary rather than an action man.


Considering all the advisors he must have around him, and from his own observations through the media, he must knows what the public think on many issues that they're angry about so it seems strange he doesn't take a more proactive stand so the public would feel he's doing something positive. It all just seems to go on and on while he seemingly does nothing about anything. The MP's are making decsions that suit themselves, what decisions is he making that the public want him to make. At one time I was very politically involved and aware but have lost interest the last few years, I realised it was all wasted energy
Yellow Rose
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Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
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Originally posted by cologne1:
quote:
Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Haven't read all the posts, too many. Also I don't buy newspapers but Sky News most days and keep hearing all the different names and circumstances. What I don't understand is why some have been sacked and some haven't, and will or should any of them be answerable to the Tax inspectors or any other body if they've claimed unjustly.

From what I saw on the news earlier many seem to be jumping before they're pushed.

There's no leadership. Gordon Brown is a spent force (if he ever was a force). He is just set on the 'big job', he's become a useless tool in the party, a reactionary rather than an action man.


Considering all the advisors he must have around him, and from his own observations through the media, he must knows what the public think on many issues that they're angry about so it seems strange he doesn't take a more proactive stand so the public would feel he's doing something positive. It all just seems to go on and on while he seemingly does nothing about anything. The MP's are making decsions that suit themselves, what decisions is he making that the public want him to make. At one time I was very politically involved and aware but have lost interest the last few years, I realised it was all wasted energy

It might not be a popular view and I am Johnny Foreigner, but from where I'm standing, Gordon Brown has done nothing for this country. He's an economist, so whoever thought he might be a good Prime Minister should be shot. Smiler
cologne 1
Cologne 1. I still remember the feeling of euphoria that not only I felt but it seemed the majority of the UK when Blair came into office after such a long term of Conservative sleaze etc. Personally I felt it went wrong for Blair when he believed Bush's assumption that it was right to stage war on Iraq, what that had to do with 9/ll I never did understand as I couldn't see the connection.

Blair had charisma, Brown doesn't, not that charisma means anything in the bigger picture, taking care of the country and it's people is far more important but I too don't see what benefit Brown's bought to the general public, so as a socialist I've been very disappointed, although some situations like greedy Bankers and Financial institutions were probably outside of his control
Yellow Rose
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Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Cologne 1. I still remember the feeling of euphoria that not only I felt but it seemed the majority of the UK when Blair came into office after such a long term of Conservative sleaze etc. Personally I felt it went wrong for Blair when he believed Bush's assumption that it was right to stage war on Iraq, what that had to do with 9/ll I never did understand as I couldn't see the connection.

Blair had charisma, Brown doesn't, not that charisma means anything in the bigger picture, taking care of the country and it's people is far more important but I too don't see what benefit Brown's bought to the general public, so as a socialist I've been very disappointed, although some situations like greedy Bankers and Financial institutions were probably outside of his control

I agree. I don't think he has bad press, however. Gordon Brown is a bad politician.
cologne 1
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Originally posted by cologne1:
It might not be a popular view and I am Johnny Foreigner, but from where I'm standing, Gordon Brown has done nothing for this country. He's an economist, so whoever thought he might be a good Prime Minister should be shot. Smiler

Short of some global miracle, he's set the country up for a radical Conservative government and a whole generation of austerity. If he's an economist, he's a poor one. He actively promoted a decade of Good Times and High Living and left the country wide open to an economic shock, just so he could pursue his personal socialist agenda. What a tosser.
FM
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
It might not be a popular view and I am Johnny Foreigner, but from where I'm standing, Gordon Brown has done nothing for this country. He's an economist, so whoever thought he might be a good Prime Minister should be shot. Smiler

Short of some global miracle, he's set the country up for a radical Conservative government and a whole generation of austerity. If he's an economist, he's a poor one. He actively promoted a decade of Good Times and High Living and left the country wide open to an economic shock, just so he could pursue his personal socialist agenda. What a tosser.


Thank god for that Thumbs Up

I don't know anyone who wanted Brown to be Prime Minister or thinks he has been a good one. Joe Public didn't vote for him.
Liverpoollass
I believe Bliar is far more astute, saw the gathering stormclouds and slipped Brown the hospital pass before waltzing off into the sunset.

Laughing like a drain.

Labour are now gonna get 8-10 in the political wilderness, just as soon as the electorate get a pop at them. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an SDP style left wing/right wing split, with the Lib Dems gaining a few bums on Palace of Westminster seats

Interesting times...
bigdaddyostrich

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