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quote:
Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
She should have gone after the 'porn' vid scandal. Good riddance.


That was almost certainly the catalyst for all the subsequent can of worms revalations.

Never has a dodgy video rental caused so much mayhem LaughMind you, you gotta feel sorry for the bloke (being married to her, he could probably use all the help he can get).
FM
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Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
quote:
Originally posted by Deegs:
sorry..."to leave Cabinet" Disappointed Laugh


I was going to ask if she was going to populate the cabinet with eggs or something lol I read that as: Jackie Smith to larvae cabinet! Laugh


i thought it was that aswell Roll Eyes

back to the point-GOOD! but i bet the lying cow waits so she can get a pension
Mad
china
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Deegs:
...announcemnt of how and when expected today.

Not a moment too soon Roll EyesI can't recall a more incompetent and unconvincing Home Secretary. Can you?

Reg Maudling
Robert Carr
Dave Waddington
Ken Baker
David Blunkett
Charles Clarke
John Reid


Other than those... Not really. No!


Thanks, GJ. Much appreciated.

So, what are you having for dinner tonight?
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
Awful woman. She will hardly be missed tho.
I'm worried about who will take over from her.
Milliband?? They are all so awful.

And Ed Balls as potential Chancellor....OMG! Eeker


Alan Johnson?....I want him to take over from Brown, ONLY cause we have the SAME name, and it would be "interesting" everytime someone asks me for MY name Big Grin
old hippy guy
quote:
Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
Awful woman. She will hardly be missed tho.
I'm worried about who will take over from her.
Milliband?? They are all so awful.

And Ed Balls as potential Chancellor....OMG! Eeker


This is my point about British Society in the last two decades. It applies to most decision making, and not only in politics, mind.
Knee jerk reactions.
No Plan B.
Garage Joe
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
Awful woman. She will hardly be missed tho.
I'm worried about who will take over from her.
Milliband?? They are all so awful.

And Ed Balls as potential Chancellor....OMG! Eeker


This is my point about British Society in the last two decades. It applies to most decision making, and not only in politics, mind.
Knee jerk reactions.
No Plan B.


Completely agree with the lack of Plan B options. So, what can be done when Plan A performs spectacularly BADLY?
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Deegs:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
Awful woman. She will hardly be missed tho.
I'm worried about who will take over from her.
Milliband?? They are all so awful.

And Ed Balls as potential Chancellor....OMG! Eeker


This is my point about British Society in the last two decades. It applies to most decision making, and not only in politics, mind.
Knee jerk reactions.
No Plan B.


Completely agree with the lack of Plan B options. So, what can be done when Plan A performs spectacularly BADLY?


I still maintain that the Telegraph embarked on a very dangerous trend. They, or whoever the people are behind all this, are the ones who should be looking at Plan B.
Where will it all stop?
Or are they just singling out MPs?
Garage Joe
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
Awful woman. She will hardly be missed tho.
I'm worried about who will take over from her.
Milliband?? They are all so awful.

And Ed Balls as potential Chancellor....OMG! Eeker


Alan Johnson?....I want him to take over from Brown, ONLY cause we have the SAME name, and it would be "interesting" everytime someone asks me for MY name Big Grin



Well hippy, Johnson can't be any worse.
Or can he......I've said that about so many of them. Frowner
Aquarius
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
I still maintain that the Telegraph embarked on a very dangerous trend. They, or whoever the people are behind all this, are the ones who should be looking at Plan B.
Where will it all stop?
Or are they just singling out MPs?


Interesting viewpoint and, again, I completely agree. But (and there's always a "but") are you saying that, after sounding the alarm to raise public awareness, the Telegraph shouldn't be engaging in these protracted name & shame revalations because we're about to run out of MPs?
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
Awful woman. She will hardly be missed tho.
I'm worried about who will take over from her.
Milliband?? They are all so awful.

And Ed Balls as potential Chancellor....OMG! Eeker


This is my point about British Society in the last two decades. It applies to most decision making, and not only in politics, mind.
Knee jerk reactions.
No Plan B.



I agree Joe. But Ed Balls (can't help chucklin
every time I hear his name) he worries me.
Shows all the signs of being power hungry ~ what a combination eh? Power hungry and inept. Eeker
Aquarius
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Deegs:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
Awful woman. She will hardly be missed tho.
I'm worried about who will take over from her.
Milliband?? They are all so awful.

And Ed Balls as potential Chancellor....OMG! Eeker


This is my point about British Society in the last two decades. It applies to most decision making, and not only in politics, mind.
Knee jerk reactions.
No Plan B.


Completely agree with the lack of Plan B options. So, what can be done when Plan A performs spectacularly BADLY?


I still maintain that the Telegraph embarked on a very dangerous trend. They, or whoever the people are behind all this, are the ones who should be looking at Plan B.
Where will it all stop?
Or are they just singling out MPs?


They are singling out a lot more Labour MP's than Conservative ones. They tried to have a go at Gordon Brown for the 6,grand cleaning bill but then they found Cameron had taken at least 10 times more on his second home and clearing away the Wisteria.
Although I think it is a good thing that The Telegraph highlighted the scandal of MP's scandal I think thosands of years of Parliamentary sovereingty will be undermind if the Telegraph don't stop though.
~Orchid~
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
Although I think it is a good thing that The Telegraph highlighted the scandal of MP's scandal I think thosands of years of Parliamentary sovereingty will be undermind if the Telegraph don't stop though.


It looks like that has happened.


It has happened to a large extent but if things change then Parliament can recover. If the Telegraph carry on they may as well bring down the whole kit and kaboodle.
~Orchid~
quote:
Originally posted by Deegs:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
I still maintain that the Telegraph embarked on a very dangerous trend. They, or whoever the people are behind all this, are the ones who should be looking at Plan B.
Where will it all stop?
Or are they just singling out MPs?


Interesting viewpoint and, again, I completely agree. But (and there's always a "but") are you saying that, after sounding the alarm to raise public awareness, the Telegraph shouldn't be engaging in these protracted name & shame revalations because we're about to run out of MPs?


I think that if The Telegraph were to examine various other sectors then they would run out of everyone.
Garage Joe
quote:
Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
Awful woman. She will hardly be missed tho.
I'm worried about who will take over from her.
Milliband?? They are all so awful.

And Ed Balls as potential Chancellor....OMG! Eeker


Alan Johnson?....I want him to take over from Brown, ONLY cause we have the SAME name, and it would be "interesting" everytime someone asks me for MY name Big Grin



Well hippy, Johnson can't be any worse.
Or can he......I've said that about so many of them. Frowner


oh I dunno, It would just be "interesting" for ME cause we share the same name Nod
old hippy guy
Great news but when is the next cabinet reshuffle? How much will she earn fron now til then?

I`m disgusted that so many mp`s who have reluctantly admitted (ooh it was all a mistake) to diddling the system are staying on until the next election, they`ve decided. What a damn cheek! 200 more grand in their greedy pockets and WE are paying for these users! Mad

Stand up and be counted..complain..complain! Make your voice heard..they CANNOT get away with this! Hanging on to your job after fraud and choosing when you leave? How many get away with that?

SACK THEM NOW!
Scotty
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Deegs:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
I still maintain that the Telegraph embarked on a very dangerous trend. They, or whoever the people are behind all this, are the ones who should be looking at Plan B.
Where will it all stop?
Or are they just singling out MPs?


Interesting viewpoint and, again, I completely agree. But (and there's always a "but") are you saying that, after sounding the alarm to raise public awareness, the Telegraph shouldn't be engaging in these protracted name & shame revalations because we're about to run out of MPs?


I think that if The Telegraph were to examine various other sectors then they would run out of everyone.

I keep thinking that when I see Paxman giving a particularly heavy grilling to yet another MP, he's getting his expenses paid by the public too. That said, I'm still glad that the Telegraph carries on. The traditional role of Parliament should have been scrutinised a long time ago.
cologne 1
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
Great news but when is the next cabinet reshuffle? How much will she earn fron now til then?

I`m disgusted that so many mp`s who have reluctantly admitted (ooh it was all a mistake) to diddling the system are staying on until the next election, they`ve decided. What a damn cheek! 200 more grand in their greedy pockets and WE are paying for these users! Mad

Stand up and be counted..complain..complain! Make your voice heard..they CANNOT get away with this! Hanging on to your job after fraud and choosing when you leave? How many get away with that?

SACK THEM NOW!

Hi Scotty Valentine Friday, apparently. Big Grin
cologne 1
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
Great news but when is the next cabinet reshuffle? How much will she earn fron now til then?

I`m disgusted that so many mp`s who have reluctantly admitted (ooh it was all a mistake) to diddling the system are staying on until the next election, they`ve decided. What a damn cheek! 200 more grand in their greedy pockets and WE are paying for these users! Mad

Stand up and be counted..complain..complain! Make your voice heard..they CANNOT get away with this! Hanging on to your job after fraud and choosing when you leave? How many get away with that?

SACK THEM NOW!

Hi Scotty Valentine Friday, apparently. Big Grin


Hiya cologne Valentine Friday..great..but only cabinet. It still won`t rid us of the cheaters who are draining us with their duckponds, hanging baskets and more importantly double/triple homes and employing family,who don`t actually work for them. I`m fuming. Sausage
Scotty
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
Hanging on to your job after fraud and choosing when you leave? How many get away with that?

SACK THEM NOW!


We won't know until The Telegraph tells us who they all are.


Some have admiited it and have decided to stay on until the next election. How dare they?

The telegraph have said it`s going to be a long haul to decipher what is what, but they will. They have the fine details. I for one can`t wait. So far some they have exposed have either resigned or are hanging on by a brass neck thread.
Scotty
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
Hanging on to your job after fraud and choosing when you leave? How many get away with that?

SACK THEM NOW!


We won't know until The Telegraph tells us who they all are.


Some have admiited it and have decided to stay on until the next election. How dare they?

The telegraph have said it`s going to be a long haul to decipher what is what, but they will. They have the fine details. I for one can`t wait. So far some they have exposed have either resigned or are hanging on by a brass neck thread.


No no! You misunderstand. You asked how many fraudsters elsewhere would get away with it. I am hoping that The Telegraph will tell us who they all are. Be it the non tax paying CEO head of a multinational right down to your local builder who is happy to accept cash.
I can't wait.
Garage Joe
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
Great news but when is the next cabinet reshuffle? How much will she earn fron now til then?

I`m disgusted that so many mp`s who have reluctantly admitted (ooh it was all a mistake) to diddling the system are staying on until the next election, they`ve decided. What a damn cheek! 200 more grand in their greedy pockets and WE are paying for these users! Mad

Stand up and be counted..complain..complain! Make your voice heard..they CANNOT get away with this! Hanging on to your job after fraud and choosing when you leave? How many get away with that?

SACK THEM NOW!

Hi Scotty Valentine Friday, apparently. Big Grin


Hiya cologne Valentine Friday..great..but only cabinet. It still won`t rid us of the cheaters who are draining us with their duckponds, hanging baskets and more importantly double/triple homes and employing family,who don`t actually work for them. I`m fuming. Sausage

I know, it's quite maddening. I still maintain that it's about time the paper printed a list of MPs not involved in excessive money mongering. It's no good making the electorate feel that they can't trust anybody, it's bad for democracy, IMHO.
cologne 1
quote:
Originally posted by ~Orchid~:

They are singling out a lot more Labour MP's than Conservative ones.


thats because there are a lot more labour mp's than conservative ones.

once they finaly finish going through all the million+ receipts they got then they are going to start looking at all the free holidays fact finding tours they go on to all these sunny destinations.

realy its no bad thing as long as they keep going right up to the day of the general election
B
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
Hanging on to your job after fraud and choosing when you leave? How many get away with that?

SACK THEM NOW!


We won't know until The Telegraph tells us who they all are.


Some have admiited it and have decided to stay on until the next election. How dare they?

The telegraph have said it`s going to be a long haul to decipher what is what, but they will. They have the fine details. I for one can`t wait. So far some they have exposed have either resigned or are hanging on by a brass neck thread.


No no! You misunderstand. You asked how many fraudsters elsewhere would get away with it. I am hoping that The Telegraph will tell us who they all are. Be it the non tax paying CEO head of a multinational right down to your local builder who is happy to accept cash.
I can't wait.


Oh sorry I misunderstood too. I suppose all should be exposed, in a perfect world. I`d rather focus on the rich cheating man than the ordinary builder who hasn`t paid vat. I realise that may seem classist ( is that word?) but there are bigger fish to fry. Most of them are living in mansions.
Scotty
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
Great news but when is the next cabinet reshuffle? How much will she earn fron now til then?

I`m disgusted that so many mp`s who have reluctantly admitted (ooh it was all a mistake) to diddling the system are staying on until the next election, they`ve decided. What a damn cheek! 200 more grand in their greedy pockets and WE are paying for these users! Mad

Stand up and be counted..complain..complain! Make your voice heard..they CANNOT get away with this! Hanging on to your job after fraud and choosing when you leave? How many get away with that?

SACK THEM NOW!

Hi Scotty Valentine Friday, apparently. Big Grin


Hiya cologne Valentine Friday..great..but only cabinet. It still won`t rid us of the cheaters who are draining us with their duckponds, hanging baskets and more importantly double/triple homes and employing family,who don`t actually work for them. I`m fuming. Sausage

I know, it's quite maddening. I still maintain that it's about time the paper printed a list of MPs not involved in excessive money mongering. It's no good making the electorate feel that they can't trust anybody, it's bad for democracy, IMHO.



I agree with that. I believe the Telegraph have said they want to but they have a lot of detailed ground to cover yet. If you`re innocent you have nothing to worry about. That can be easily relayed to your constituents now.
Scotty
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
I agree with that. I believe the Telegraph have said they want to but they have a lot of detailed ground to cover yet. If you`re innocent you have nothing to worry about. That can be easily relayed to your constituents now.

Nod I expect a lot of them are having sleepless nights. Take Alistair Darling, going about his business while the whole time he's dreading the next installment. Smiler
cologne 1
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
I agree with that. I believe the Telegraph have said they want to but they have a lot of detailed ground to cover yet. If you`re innocent you have nothing to worry about. That can be easily relayed to your constituents now.

Nod I expect a lot of them are having sleepless nights. Take Alistair Darling, going about his business while the whole time he's dreading the next installment. Smiler


Sleepless nights? They don`t know the half of it. Let Alistair and the rest of them twist and turn in their big comfy beds. No matter what, they will NEVER be skint. They would die of fright if they couldn`t afford tea at the Ritz!

Socialists my Moon
Scotty
quote:
Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
Cameron is desperate for an election, lest more damage is done by revelations. I read this morning that the Tories have lost 10 points on Labour because of the scandal. I hope Gordy ekes it out until next year Big Grin


Whoever is behind all this is probably worried that there may be a recovery, and that the remaining dozen or so Labour MPs take the credit.
Garage Joe
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
I`d rather focus on the rich cheating man than the ordinary builder who hasn`t paid vat. I realise that may seem classist ( is that word?) but there are bigger fish to fry. Most of them are living in mansions.


After a conversation I had with a hypocritical local builder today in the Sandwich Shop. I would rather they go for all of the cheats.
Now!
Over to you Daily Telegraph

If they had been so called benefit cheats they would have thrown the book at them.
Garage Joe
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
I`d rather focus on the rich cheating man than the ordinary builder who hasn`t paid vat. I realise that may seem classist ( is that word?) but there are bigger fish to fry. Most of them are living in mansions.


After a conversation I had with a hypocritical local builder today in the Sandwich Shop. I would rather they go for all of the cheats.
Now!
Over to you Daily Telegraph

If they had been so called benefit cheats they would have thrown the book at them.


Garage Joe
Well said Clapping Clapping Thumbs Up
Mike Strutter
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
I`d rather focus on the rich cheating man than the ordinary builder who hasn`t paid vat. I realise that may seem classist ( is that word?) but there are bigger fish to fry. Most of them are living in mansions.


After a conversation I had with a hypocritical local builder today in the Sandwich Shop. I would rather they go for all of the cheats.
Now!
Over to you Daily Telegraph

If they had been so called benefit cheats they would have thrown the book at them.


I don`t know what your conversation was with the builder, therefore I can`t comment. Maybe you can expand.

As for cheats, yes it would be wonderful world if we could expose all but that`s a never ending story. The Telegraph are focusing on cheating MPs and that will do for me right now. I want them out.
Scotty
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
I don`t know what your conversation was with the builder, therefore I can`t comment. Maybe you can expand.

As for cheats, yes it would be wonderful world if we could expose all but that`s a never ending story. The Telegraph are focusing on cheating MPs and that will do for me right now. I want them out.


He was someone I know to be on the take.
I believe it was that Jebus one who said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone!"
Garage Joe
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Scotty:
I don`t know what your conversation was with the builder, therefore I can`t comment. Maybe you can expand.

As for cheats, yes it would be wonderful world if we could expose all but that`s a never ending story. The Telegraph are focusing on cheating MPs and that will do for me right now. I want them out.


He was someone I know to be on the take.
I believe it was that Jebus one who said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone!"


Did the lone builder cast the first stone?

I`m serious Joe..what is your point?
Scotty
Haven't read all the posts, too many. Also I don't buy newspapers but watch Sky News most days and keep hearing all the different names and circumstances. What I don't understand is why some have been sacked and some haven't, and will or should any of them be answerable to the Tax inspectors or any other body if they've claimed unjustly.

From what I saw on the news earlier many seem to be jumping before they're pushed.
Yellow Rose
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Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Haven't read all the posts, too many. Also I don't buy newspapers but Sky News most days and keep hearing all the different names and circumstances. What I don't understand is why some have been sacked and some haven't, and will or should any of them be answerable to the Tax inspectors or any other body if they've claimed unjustly.

From what I saw on the news earlier many seem to be jumping before they're pushed.

There's no leadership. Gordon Brown is a spent force (if he ever was a force). He is just set on the 'big job', he's become a useless tool in the party, a reactionary rather than an action man.
cologne 1
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
quote:
Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Haven't read all the posts, too many. Also I don't buy newspapers but Sky News most days and keep hearing all the different names and circumstances. What I don't understand is why some have been sacked and some haven't, and will or should any of them be answerable to the Tax inspectors or any other body if they've claimed unjustly.

From what I saw on the news earlier many seem to be jumping before they're pushed.

There's no leadership. Gordon Brown is a spent force (if he ever was a force). He is just set on the 'big job', he's become a useless tool in the party, a reactionary rather than an action man.


Considering all the advisors he must have around him, and from his own observations through the media, he must knows what the public think on many issues that they're angry about so it seems strange he doesn't take a more proactive stand so the public would feel he's doing something positive. It all just seems to go on and on while he seemingly does nothing about anything. The MP's are making decsions that suit themselves, what decisions is he making that the public want him to make. At one time I was very politically involved and aware but have lost interest the last few years, I realised it was all wasted energy
Yellow Rose
quote:
Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
quote:
Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Haven't read all the posts, too many. Also I don't buy newspapers but Sky News most days and keep hearing all the different names and circumstances. What I don't understand is why some have been sacked and some haven't, and will or should any of them be answerable to the Tax inspectors or any other body if they've claimed unjustly.

From what I saw on the news earlier many seem to be jumping before they're pushed.

There's no leadership. Gordon Brown is a spent force (if he ever was a force). He is just set on the 'big job', he's become a useless tool in the party, a reactionary rather than an action man.


Considering all the advisors he must have around him, and from his own observations through the media, he must knows what the public think on many issues that they're angry about so it seems strange he doesn't take a more proactive stand so the public would feel he's doing something positive. It all just seems to go on and on while he seemingly does nothing about anything. The MP's are making decsions that suit themselves, what decisions is he making that the public want him to make. At one time I was very politically involved and aware but have lost interest the last few years, I realised it was all wasted energy

It might not be a popular view and I am Johnny Foreigner, but from where I'm standing, Gordon Brown has done nothing for this country. He's an economist, so whoever thought he might be a good Prime Minister should be shot. Smiler
cologne 1
Cologne 1. I still remember the feeling of euphoria that not only I felt but it seemed the majority of the UK when Blair came into office after such a long term of Conservative sleaze etc. Personally I felt it went wrong for Blair when he believed Bush's assumption that it was right to stage war on Iraq, what that had to do with 9/ll I never did understand as I couldn't see the connection.

Blair had charisma, Brown doesn't, not that charisma means anything in the bigger picture, taking care of the country and it's people is far more important but I too don't see what benefit Brown's bought to the general public, so as a socialist I've been very disappointed, although some situations like greedy Bankers and Financial institutions were probably outside of his control
Yellow Rose
quote:
Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Cologne 1. I still remember the feeling of euphoria that not only I felt but it seemed the majority of the UK when Blair came into office after such a long term of Conservative sleaze etc. Personally I felt it went wrong for Blair when he believed Bush's assumption that it was right to stage war on Iraq, what that had to do with 9/ll I never did understand as I couldn't see the connection.

Blair had charisma, Brown doesn't, not that charisma means anything in the bigger picture, taking care of the country and it's people is far more important but I too don't see what benefit Brown's bought to the general public, so as a socialist I've been very disappointed, although some situations like greedy Bankers and Financial institutions were probably outside of his control

I agree. I don't think he has bad press, however. Gordon Brown is a bad politician.
cologne 1
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
It might not be a popular view and I am Johnny Foreigner, but from where I'm standing, Gordon Brown has done nothing for this country. He's an economist, so whoever thought he might be a good Prime Minister should be shot. Smiler

Short of some global miracle, he's set the country up for a radical Conservative government and a whole generation of austerity. If he's an economist, he's a poor one. He actively promoted a decade of Good Times and High Living and left the country wide open to an economic shock, just so he could pursue his personal socialist agenda. What a tosser.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J*:
quote:
Originally posted by cologne1:
It might not be a popular view and I am Johnny Foreigner, but from where I'm standing, Gordon Brown has done nothing for this country. He's an economist, so whoever thought he might be a good Prime Minister should be shot. Smiler

Short of some global miracle, he's set the country up for a radical Conservative government and a whole generation of austerity. If he's an economist, he's a poor one. He actively promoted a decade of Good Times and High Living and left the country wide open to an economic shock, just so he could pursue his personal socialist agenda. What a tosser.


Thank god for that Thumbs Up

I don't know anyone who wanted Brown to be Prime Minister or thinks he has been a good one. Joe Public didn't vote for him.
Liverpoollass
I believe Bliar is far more astute, saw the gathering stormclouds and slipped Brown the hospital pass before waltzing off into the sunset.

Laughing like a drain.

Labour are now gonna get 8-10 in the political wilderness, just as soon as the electorate get a pop at them. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an SDP style left wing/right wing split, with the Lib Dems gaining a few bums on Palace of Westminster seats

Interesting times...
bigdaddyostrich
quote:
Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
quote:
Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
Much as I don't like the Tories I do think thats its not good for any party to be in power for too long...Governments need to change every so often


Especially when the government in power is morally corrupt and as ineffectual as this one Nod


They're all as bad as each other!!

I have to say though that we have been far better off under this Government than we were the previous one!
Croctacus
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:

If they had been so called benefit cheats they would have thrown the book at them.


well said, there really isnt any difference as both are ripping off the taxpayer, but what a contrast between the way those on benefits are cheated when under suspicion even if completely innocent and the way the mp's are being treated even when they are guilty.

the question is should we be suspending any mp thats under suspicion and stopping all their income whist they are investigated or should we allow suspected benefit cheats to continue getting their income whilst they are investigated, it needs to be one or the other and applied to both.
B
quote:
Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
quote:
Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:

I have to say though that we have been far better off under this Government than we were the previous one!


Don't agree with you, but I am too tired for a political discussion this morning Disappointed Big Grin

When I say 'we' I mean my family...not everyone...

There's winners and losers under every Governemnt...
Croctacus
quote:
Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:

There's winners and losers under every Governemnt...


i dont see many winners at the moment under this government we have workers at all levels scare of losing their jobs, having pay or hours cuts and extended closures and the number of millionaires in the uk has dropped from almost 500,000 to below 250,000.
B
quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

i dont see many winners at the moment under this government we have workers at all levels scare of losing their jobs, having pay or hours cuts and extended closures and the number of millionaires in the uk has dropped from almost 500,000 to below 250,000.


Agree with you there. I should've put that in my last post Red Face
Liverpoollass
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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

i dont see many winners at the moment under this government we have workers at all levels scare of losing their jobs, having pay or hours cuts and extended closures and the number of millionaires in the uk has dropped from almost 500,000 to below 250,000.


The MPs weren't doing so bad Ninja


Yep, the only ones that are Mad
Liverpoollass
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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
All I said was that we, as a family, are better off and get all sorts of shit spouted at me like I'm too stupid to know whats going on and thats thats nothing to do with what I posted!


thats a fair point you make, i've no reason to doubt what you say as there will be some people who will benefit, but generally at present there arent many of you, even those who are better off will often find they arent when house depreciation is taken into account, that was the point i was trying to make.

i wasnt attempting to argue with you about it.
B
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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

i dont see many winners at the moment under this government we have workers at all levels scare of losing their jobs, having pay or hours cuts and extended closures and the number of millionaires in the uk has dropped from almost 500,000 to below 250,000.


The MPs weren't doing so bad Ninja


Yep, the only ones that are Mad


and insolvency practitioners and administrators
B
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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Bailiffs must be doing ok too at the moment.


Strangely not.

The Tribunal, Courts and Enforcement Act of 2007 abolished the ancient office of bailiff.

Replaced it with 'certified enforcement agents'. To make folks feel better about being turfed out of their homes and having their chattels seized.
bigdaddyostrich
news item:
Zara O'Shayer pleaded guilty at Havering Magistrates Court on 8 December to the offence of failing to declare that Anthony Cox lived with her at 6a Essex Gardens from the start of her tenancy. She was sentenced to four months imprisonment and ordered to pay ÂĢ14,961.28 back to Havering Council.

Cllr Roger Ramsey, Lead Member for Resources, said: "Our Benefit Fraud Team acts on behalf of all residents, actively investigating and pursuing claimants through the courts who fraudulently claim council tax or housing benefit. Our teams will continue to be vigilant and deliver a high level of service that protects public funds and prosecutes those who abuse the system for their own gains. Havering Council is committed to ensuring any allegation of benefit fraud is investigated and appropriate action is taken."

news item:
Departing MPs get a special allowance to help them adjust to "non-Parliamentary" life - but only if they leave at a general election.
If they resign immediately and force a by-election they lose out.
Which is why, presumably, the ones who have announced their retirement are in no hurry to pack up their possessions and head for the exits, and plan to serve out their time until polling day.
That and the fact that the party leaders are in no mood for by-elections in the current volatile climate.
'Dishonourable'
There appears to be growing cross-party support for allowing the "recall" of underperforming or badly-behaved MPs.

Mad
jacksonb
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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
Strangely not.

The Tribunal, Courts and Enforcement Act of 2007 abolished the ancient office of bailiff.

Replaced it with 'certified enforcement agents'. To make folks feel better about being turfed out of their homes and having their chattels seized.


Not a job I would like to do. They've been given more powers too, I think.
Liverpoollass
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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
You may not see them but there are loads of people better off now than they were previously as well as others that aren't

Why is it so hard to accept that I'm better off than I was which is all I said...why try and turn it into an argument?

I am better off...thats a fact!



I agree with you croc, there ARE lots more better off under this Goverment but we only recieve negative news from most of the Media which is sad really Disappointed
BQ
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
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Originally posted by cologne1:
It might not be a popular view and I am Johnny Foreigner, but from where I'm standing, Gordon Brown has done nothing for this country. He's an economist, so whoever thought he might be a good Prime Minister should be shot. Smiler

Short of some global miracle, he's set the country up for a radical Conservative government and a whole generation of austerity. If he's an economist, he's a poor one. He actively promoted a decade of Good Times and High Living and left the country wide open to an economic shock, just so he could pursue his personal socialist agenda. What a tosser.


Which personal socialist agenda is that one then? Is it the privatisation of our Post Office?
Garage Joe
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Short of some global miracle, he's set the country up for a radical Conservative government and a whole generation of austerity. If he's an economist, he's a poor one. He actively promoted a decade of Good Times and High Living and left the country wide open to an economic shock, just so he could pursue his personal socialist agenda. What a tosser.

Which personal socialist agenda is that one then? Is it the privatisation of our Post Office?

Well, quite. Like the rest of New Labour, he's given up on the nationalisation aspects of socialism. He appears happy to let private companies own and operate the means of production. Afterall, it mostly works and he gets the tax to spend. No, his personal socialist agenda is mostly about control; state control and state intrusion into the lives of individuals, echoing his personal traits, together with some redistribution of wealth from the affluent middle classes to the lower classes. The middle classes are much easier targets than big business now globalisation has happened.
FM

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