has been arrested over the fatal shooting of his girlfriend, local media are reporting he may have mistook her for a burglar 
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I saw that on the news, Aims. Tragic, if it was an accident.
This sounds dreadful
Oh no,.. how tragic.
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
I saw that on the news, Aims. Tragic, if it was an accident.
Sure is
Sky News reporting he's been charged with murder 
Local police confirm they have been called to the house several times on domestic violence complaints
It's shocking Aimee. I think because he was over here last summer and got so much exposure on chat shows etc, we feel all the more shocked at what he has done, whether it be an accident or not.
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Sky News reporting he's been charged with murder Local police confirm they have been called to the house several times on domestic violence complaints
Oh god that's awful.
Originally Posted by Sezit:
It's shocking Aimee. I think because he was over here last summer and got so much exposure on chat shows etc, we feel all the more shocked at what he has done, whether it be an accident or not.
It's not looking like an accident anymore, he's due in court at 2pm and they are looking at refusing bail
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Sky News reporting he's been charged with murder Local police confirm they have been called to the house several times on domestic violence complaints
Oh god that's awful.
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Sky News reporting he's been charged with murder Local police confirm they have been called to the house several times on domestic violence complaints
Oh god that's awful.
Shocking
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Wow. Thought provoking read.
A "global day of action â and dancing â in protest against violence against women."
Dancing??
"We have broken taboos, spoken the word "vagina" in 50 languages in 140 countries"
Yer wha . . . ??
Yes, dancing vaginas make some men very nervous. 
If your vagina danced in front of me ...
I'd need sedating 
. . . for my own protection !!!
I rest my case.
I thought of your .... I need a rest.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8516387.stm
about 80% of the children said a man had cause to slap his partner because she did not have the dinner ready on time.
And that's in the UK, in the 21st century.
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8516387.stm
about 80% of the children said a man had cause to slap his partner because she did not have the dinner ready on time.
And that's in the UK, in the 21st century.
That's shocking
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8516387.stm
about 80% of the children said a man had cause to slap his partner because she did not have the dinner ready on time.
And that's in the UK, in the 21st century.
That's shocking
Yep, truly shocking.
That's why we need schools to educate these kids about violence and control in relationships. Seems like they are seeing stuff at home and thinking that this is normal and/or acceptable.
3Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8516387.stm
about 80% of the children said a man had cause to slap his partner because she did not have the dinner ready on time.
And that's in the UK, in the 21st century.
I notice that the date on that link is 3 years old, I wonder if anything has changed since then.
Still shocking results though.
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
I rest my case.
This reminds me of a passage in 'Women's Room' where French describes the male student's fear of the females dropping blood all over the floor.
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
3Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8516387.stm
about 80% of the children said a man had cause to slap his partner because she did not have the dinner ready on time.
And that's in the UK, in the 21st century.
I notice that the date on that link is 3 years old, I wonder if anything has changed since then.
Still shocking results though.
They are
Dropping clots and Valentines. Lovely mix.
Elsewhere.......... Mrs Jer's idiotic side of the family emigrated to the so-called Fourth Reich back in the seventies! When the kids returned occasionally they couldn't understand our lack of security and guns.
That's twice today we've had gun dependant countries saying, "look what's happened to us!" That Piers Morgan one has a point!
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
3Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8516387.stm
about 80% of the children said a man had cause to slap his partner because she did not have the dinner ready on time.
And that's in the UK, in the 21st century.
I notice that the date on that link is 3 years old, I wonder if anything has changed since then.
Still shocking results though.
3 years on, they'll be 14 and 15 year olds, forming their first relationships and probably a large majority of them will still have those views.
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
3Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8516387.stm
about 80% of the children said a man had cause to slap his partner because she did not have the dinner ready on time.
And that's in the UK, in the 21st century.
I notice that the date on that link is 3 years old, I wonder if anything has changed since then.
Still shocking results though.
3 years on, they'll be 14 and 15 year olds, forming their first relationships and probably a large majority of them will still have those views.
That is one very scary thought, Blizzie.
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
I rest my case.
This reminds me of a passage in 'Women's Room' where French describes the male student's fear of the females dropping blood all over the floor.
Renton will faint, if he sees that!
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
I rest my case.
This reminds me of a passage in 'Women's Room' where French describes the male student's fear of the females dropping blood all over the floor.
Renton will faint, if he sees that!
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
I rest my case.
This reminds me of a passage in 'Women's Room' where French describes the male student's fear of the females dropping blood all over the floor.
Renton will faint, if he sees that!
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Such a sad & shocking story
*walks in - carried out*
Originally Posted by Saint:
*walks in - carried out*
Poor Sainty, are those naughty ladies ganging up on you?
Bloody awful, Yakult
Originally Posted by Saint:
Bloody awful, Yakult
Aww, have a hug.
Why aren't you in the CDWM thread?
Just got in . . . I'm a man-about-town don't ya know 
Originally Posted by Saint:
Just got in . . . I'm a man-about-town don't ya know
Of course, you are.
I thought he was a man about TOON
Nice one Sweet 
Originally Posted by ~Sweet Summer~:
Such a sad & shocking story
It makes you wonder what went off for it to end like this
He does kind of have a tendency to outbursts and temper tantrums - I remember one spat he had when he competed in an able-bodied and came last - came across as a spoilt child which ruined all the good work he'd done to change people's perceptions of blade runners and whether they can compete on an equal level
I feel there's more to this story that will be revealed
Originally Posted by Pengy:
He does kind of have a tendency to outbursts and temper tantrums - I remember one spat he had when he competed in an able-bodied and came last - came across as a spoilt child which ruined all the good work he'd done to change people's perceptions of blade runners and whether they can compete on an equal level
I feel there's more to this story that will be revealed
such a promising career lost as well
And it was reported he wanted to go to court immediately - or words like that. It struck me as odd.
Originally Posted by Pengy:
He does kind of have a tendency to outbursts and temper tantrums - I remember one spat he had when he competed in an able-bodied and came last - came across as a spoilt child which ruined all the good work he'd done to change people's perceptions of blade runners and whether they can compete on an equal level
I feel there's more to this story that will be revealed
Really? After getting beaten in the 2012 Paralympic final he seemed a bit like that too...he apologised later.
Apparently there were reports of domestic incidents at the house before. Such a sad story.
Originally Posted by ~Sweet Summer~:
I thought he was a man about TOON
very good
Originally Posted by ~Sweet Summer~:
I thought he was a man about TOON
Hopefully he'll meet lots of dancing vaginas then!
Will you stop saying that !!!!
Originally Posted by Saint:
Will you stop saying that !!!!
What, dancing vaginas? 
Yes!!
At your age !! Its not nice ... where's the Pepto Bismal?
Vaginas don't just cease to exist over a certain age, and they can dance whenever they choose to. You don't control them.
But they should cease to exist - say past erm ... 50
LOL
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
So sad and a lovely girl by the sounds of it
Originally Posted by Pengy:
He does kind of have a tendency to outbursts and temper tantrums - I remember one spat he had when he competed in an able-bodied and came last - came across as a spoilt child which ruined all the good work he'd done to change people's perceptions of blade runners and whether they can compete on an equal level
I feel there's more to this story that will be revealed
s'all a bit strange eh? My bro in law just said 'Would you shoot a burglar several times? O J Simpson...'
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
He does kind of have a tendency to outbursts and temper tantrums - I remember one spat he had when he competed in an able-bodied and came last - came across as a spoilt child which ruined all the good work he'd done to change people's perceptions of blade runners and whether they can compete on an equal level
I feel there's more to this story that will be revealed
s'all a bit strange eh? My bro in law just said 'Would you shoot a burglar several times? O J Simpson...'
That sprang to mind for me too Kaffy
Wow........when I was going to work this morning the news was that it was a tragic accident, seems it was just speculation and now the truth is coming out. So shocking.
Originally Posted by Saint:
Yes!!
At your age !! Its not nice ... where's the Pepto Bismal?
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
He does kind of have a tendency to outbursts and temper tantrums - I remember one spat he had when he competed in an able-bodied and came last - came across as a spoilt child which ruined all the good work he'd done to change people's perceptions of blade runners and whether they can compete on an equal level
I feel there's more to this story that will be revealed
s'all a bit strange eh? My bro in law just said 'Would you shoot a burglar several times? O J Simpson...'
someone made a good point on the news earlier though that this a man in bed with no legs, so you hear a noise you react quick but it's not looking like this is how it happened now
How very sad .
Steenkamp used her Twitter account to encourage her thousands of followers to fight sexual abuse. "WEAR BLACK THIS FRIDAY IN SUPPORT AGAINST #RAPE," she retweeted just hours before she died.
Originally Posted by erinp:
How very sad .
Steenkamp used her Twitter account to encourage her thousands of followers to fight sexual abuse. "WEAR BLACK THIS FRIDAY IN SUPPORT AGAINST #RAPE," she retweeted just hours before she died.
I wonder what he will plead tomorrow
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by erinp:
How very sad .
Steenkamp used her Twitter account to encourage her thousands of followers to fight sexual abuse. "WEAR BLACK THIS FRIDAY IN SUPPORT AGAINST #RAPE," she retweeted just hours before she died.
I wonder what he will plead tomorrow
Not guilty for sure.I have read some of his tweets he seemed to like the gun.
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by erinp:
How very sad .
Steenkamp used her Twitter account to encourage her thousands of followers to fight sexual abuse. "WEAR BLACK THIS FRIDAY IN SUPPORT AGAINST #RAPE," she retweeted just hours before she died.
I wonder what he will plead tomorrow
Not guilty for sure.I have read some of his tweets he seemed to like the gun.
i was reading something (ok the DM) that said he had a pistol by his bed, a machine gun by the window and a baseball bat by the door.... in a gated community, with guards. If i was THAT scared, i'd move.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by erinp:
How very sad .
Steenkamp used her Twitter account to encourage her thousands of followers to fight sexual abuse. "WEAR BLACK THIS FRIDAY IN SUPPORT AGAINST #RAPE," she retweeted just hours before she died.
I wonder what he will plead tomorrow
Not guilty for sure.I have read some of his tweets he seemed to like the gun.
i was reading something (ok the DM) that said he had a pistol by his bed, a machine gun by the window and a baseball bat by the door.... in a gated community, with guards. If i was THAT scared, i'd move.
Oscar Pistorius joked about killing an intruder on Twitter in November last year, less than three months before the Olympian's girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp was shot dead at his Pretoria home.
Pistorius tweeted on 27 November: "Nothing like getting home to hear the washing machine on and thinking its an intruder to go into full combat recon mode into the pantry! waa."
@OscarPistorius Oscar Pistorius Nothing like getting home to hear the washing machine on and thinking its an intruder to go into full combat recon mode into the pantry! waa
Twitter image of him on Nov. 28, 2011, firing off rounds at a shooting range, and a boast: âHad a 96% headshot over 300m from 50shots! Bam!&rdquo
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
I saw that on the news, Aims. Tragic, if it was an accident.
Yes, Oscar accidently shot his girlfriend twice. 
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
I saw that on the news, Aims. Tragic, if it was an accident.
Yes, Oscar accidently shot his girlfriend twice.
four times. Adrenaline's a bugger isn't it. 
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
I saw that on the news, Aims. Tragic, if it was an accident.
Yes, Oscar accidently shot his girlfriend twice.
four times. Adrenaline's a bugger isn't it.
What a bastard. He hadn't been with this unfortunate young woman for long and she sounds like someone who would stand up for herself and a cause. How dare he cut that life short. I've never liked him, I felt he was bad tempered very quickly. Jail for life .
Wow. This scenario is looking bad. I'm thinking that for South Africa this would be equivalently shocking to Becks allegedly killed Victoria!
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
I saw that on the news, Aims. Tragic, if it was an accident.
Yes, Oscar accidently shot his girlfriend twice.
four times. Adrenaline's a bugger isn't it.
Really, 4 times? yep, it was a total "accident".
Originally Posted by Xochiquetzal:
Wow. This scenario is looking bad. I'm thinking that for South Africa this would be equivalently shocking to Becks allegedly killed Victoria!
Although for the rest of us he would be a national hero.
Means, motive, opportunity, Judith.
Originally Posted by Xochiquetzal:
Wow. This scenario is looking bad. I'm thinking that for South Africa this would be equivalently shocking to Becks allegedly killed Victoria!
This is what I said to my daughter last night, he's as well liked over there as Becks is here
Sky latest, he's been in court this morning and has been charged with one court of murder
They want to charge him with premeditated murder his back in court Tuesday to discuss bail
You know... we often say the law's an ass here - but aren't you glad we don't have the South African legal system? The chief investigating officer in the case is due in court himself in a couple of months charged with several counts of murder? Why is he still even working, never mind heading up a case like this. His first testimony's already been proved to be a load of bollox. I honestly don't know whether Pistorius is guilty or not and with developments so far, I'm not sure we ever will
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
You know... we often say the law's an ass here - but aren't you glad we don't have the South African legal system? The chief investigating officer in the case is due in court himself in a couple of months charged with several counts of murder? Why is he still even working, never mind heading up a case like this. His first testimony's already been proved to be a load of bollox. I honestly don't know whether Pistorius is guilty or not and with developments so far, I'm not sure we ever will
According to the BBC website, it is also alleged that the officer wasn't wearing protective clothing when looking over the crime scene; the "steroids" are in fact a herbal remedy used by lots of athletes; the officer claimed a witness heard the arguement between Oscar and Reeva from 600m away from the house but changed it to 300m, after a meal break. The officer also had to admit, when cross-examined by the defence, that there is nothing in the forensic evidence which disproves Oscar's version of events.
Hmm, not sure what/who to believe.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
You know... we often say the law's an ass here - but aren't you glad we don't have the South African legal system? The chief investigating officer in the case is due in court himself in a couple of months charged with several counts of murder? Why is he still even working, never mind heading up a case like this. His first testimony's already been proved to be a load of bollox. I honestly don't know whether Pistorius is guilty or not and with developments so far, I'm not sure we ever will
I was saying the same yesterday, this is like he's on trial already and not a Bail hearing, scary place
One hopes that the investigator has been watching Spiral
Aye
It's looking like they aren't going to reach a decision till tomorrow now
It's a bit farcical already....and all they're trying to decide just now is whether he can be bailed or not!
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
It's a bit farcical already....and all they're trying to decide just now is whether he can be bailed or not!
Shocking isn't it and it looks like they let anybody in to the court, there was even one bloke eating his dinner
It's a total circus,how they can select an impartial jury must be impossible.Reminds me of the showboating lawyers in American cases.
He should change his name to Oscar Pistolrius
Why do I get the feeling that all this mess around simple bail (which he should not get IMO) will in the end see that the poor dead woman will not get justice.?
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
It's a total circus,how they can select an impartial jury must be impossible.Reminds me of the showboating lawyers in American cases.
I dont think they use juries over there Katty.
No, I don't think so... all down to a judge. In a country where policemen aren't even suspended when they're charged with murder 
He had been cleared of attempted murder hadn't he. Then as soon as this bloke was accused of accidentally multiple shooting his g/f the copper was recharged. No prizes for guessing what result the corrupt SA government would prefer.
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
He had been cleared of attempted murder hadn't he. Then as soon as this bloke was accused of accidentally multiple shooting his g/f the copper was recharged. No prizes for guessing what result the corrupt SA government would prefer.
Really - I'll have to go and read up, I've only heard parts of it on the news. What a country.
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
He had been cleared of attempted murder hadn't he. Then as soon as this bloke was accused of accidentally multiple shooting his g/f the copper was recharged. No prizes for guessing what result the corrupt SA government would prefer.
I've got a dark feeling that old Pistol Pistorius will walk away scott free at the end of this.
No bail decision today, news conference soon
Police replace lead investigator in the case, you couldn't make this up
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Police replace lead investigator in the case, you couldn't make this up
You really couldn't its incredible!
Yes you could.
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
He had been cleared of attempted murder hadn't he. Then as soon as this bloke was accused of accidentally multiple shooting his g/f the copper was recharged. No prizes for guessing what result the corrupt SA government would prefer.
According to this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...tha-attempted-murder - the charges were dropped, but then reinstated 10 days before Pistorius shot Reeva.
Couldn't Pistolrius just have checked first to see if he had an intruder, like...before he shot off his gun?
I would prefer to see what im shooting at before i wildly fire my gun.
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Couldn't Pistolrius just have checked first to see if he had an intruder, like...before he shot off his gun?
I would prefer to see what im shooting at before i wildly fire my gun.
Oooerr.
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Couldn't Pistolrius just have checked first to see if he had an intruder, like...before he shot off his gun?
I would prefer to see what im shooting at before i wildly fire my gun.
Oooerr.
filth, pure filth.
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Couldn't Pistolrius just have checked first to see if he had an intruder, like...before he shot off his gun?
I would prefer to see what im shooting at before i wildly fire my gun.
Yes well...
on a serious note - I'd like to think a bloke's first thought if he was getting up to shoot an intruder would be to make sure his gf was ok, tell her to stay where she was, or phone the police, rather than get out of bed without noticing she wasn't there. Then again, if I got up for a wee in the middle of the night I probably wouldn't lock myself in the bathroom
Oh! ........ Sorry Lillibet! I will try to check my facts in future.
(Entre nous, whilst I try to remain fair, I will be the first to admit that I am bigoted against the South African administration. I still boycott their produce and am of course a veteran sports protestor. Having said that, I notice that Steve Biko's ex-partner is attempting to start an anti-AN
C party, so who knows what the future may bring? Equal rights and opportunities for all?)
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Couldn't Pistolrius just have checked first to see if he had an intruder, like...before he shot off his gun?
I would prefer to see what im shooting at before i wildly fire my gun.
Yes well...
on a serious note - I'd like to think a bloke's first thought if he was getting up to shoot an intruder would be to make sure his gf was ok, tell her to stay where she was, or phone the police, rather than get out of bed without noticing she wasn't there. Then again, if I got up for a wee in the middle of the night I probably wouldn't lock myself in the bathroom
I was being serious, no one seems to be suggesting that it's a bit strange that he shot at someone he couldn't see, knowing his GF might be the one he could hear in the other room...no one in the press seems to be making that obvious point.
But yes, I agree with you.
Originally Posted by Videostar:
I was being serious, no one seems to be suggesting that it's a bit strange that he shot at someone he couldn't see, knowing his GF might be the one he could hear in the other room...no one in the press seems to be making that obvious point.
But yes, I agree with you.
It does seem very odd
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Couldn't Pistolrius just have checked first to see if he had an intruder, like...before he shot off his gun?
I would prefer to see what im shooting at before i wildly fire my gun.
Yes well...
on a serious note - I'd like to think a bloke's first thought if he was getting up to shoot an intruder would be to make sure his gf was ok, tell her to stay where she was, or phone the police, rather than get out of bed without noticing she wasn't there. Then again, if I got up for a wee in the middle of the night I probably wouldn't lock myself in the bathroom
Yeah Kaffs...locking the door? Does that add up?
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
He had been cleared of attempted murder hadn't he. Then as soon as this bloke was accused of accidentally multiple shooting his g/f the copper was recharged. No prizes for guessing what result the corrupt SA government would prefer.
No, he hadn't been cleared. It's just that the charge had been dropped. The charge was reinstated earlier this month, before Pistorius shot Reeva, so it's a puzzle as to why Botha was allowed anywhere near this case.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Couldn't Pistolrius just have checked first to see if he had an intruder, like...before he shot off his gun?
I would prefer to see what im shooting at before i wildly fire my gun.
Yes well...
on a serious note - I'd like to think a bloke's first thought if he was getting up to shoot an intruder would be to make sure his gf was ok, tell her to stay where she was, or phone the police, rather than get out of bed without noticing she wasn't there. Then again, if I got up for a wee in the middle of the night I probably wouldn't lock myself in the bathroom
My thought exactly Kaffy.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Couldn't Pistolrius just have checked first to see if he had an intruder, like...before he shot off his gun?
I would prefer to see what im shooting at before i wildly fire my gun.
Yes well...
on a serious note - I'd like to think a bloke's first thought if he was getting up to shoot an intruder would be to make sure his gf was ok, tell her to stay where she was, or phone the police, rather than get out of bed without noticing she wasn't there. Then again, if I got up for a wee in the middle of the night I probably wouldn't lock myself in the bathroom
Kaffy, I think he was already up and had gone out on the balcony - however it's still a bit strange that he 'assumed' that Reeva was still in bed. Surely it wouldn't have been that hard to check?
It's not as if getting up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night/early hours is such a strange thing.
He got up from bed and he went to get a fan from the balcony(why? in the middle of the night he decided to do that who knows )thats when he heard the noise coming from the bathroom area and thought he had an intruder so he called out to the 'intruder'so why did his GF not answer that it was herself in the bathroom,his story doesn't make much sense.I also find it unusual that an intruder would lock themselves in your bathroom,if that's the way the intruder came into his house then surely the intruder would exit the house the same way when he heard the owner had been disturbed.The Bathroom was the only room that did not have window bars.
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Couldn't Pistolrius just have checked first to see if he had an intruder, like...before he shot off his gun?
I would prefer to see what im shooting at before i wildly fire my gun.
Yes well...
on a serious note - I'd like to think a bloke's first thought if he was getting up to shoot an intruder would be to make sure his gf was ok, tell her to stay where she was, or phone the police, rather than get out of bed without noticing she wasn't there. Then again, if I got up for a wee in the middle of the night I probably wouldn't lock myself in the bathroom
Kaffy, I think he was already up and had gone out on the balcony - however it's still a bit strange that he 'assumed' that Reeva was still in bed. Surely it wouldn't have been that hard to check?
It's not as if getting up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night/early hours is such a strange thing.
Yeah, Fluffs - I'd read he'd been on the balcony too. Even more reason, you'd think for him to have checked she was ok - not as if he woke up with a start and reacted without thinking.
What sort of door was it? and how did he manage to hit her 3 times through a locked door
Originally Posted by Baz:
I think the whole thing...the murder, the police actions, the bail hearing..... are all very strange....
I wouldn't like to be on trial there that's for sure
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by Baz:
I think the whole thing...the murder, the police actions, the bail hearing..... are all very strange....
I wouldn't like to be on trial there that's for sure
Me either, Aims and I agree with Baz, the whole thing, from any angle looks well weird..
Roses are red, Violets are glorious, Don't try to surprise Oscar Pistorius.
Originally Posted by pirate1111:
Roses are red, Violets are glorious, Don't try to surprise Oscar Pistorius.
I was going to write something I saw on FB but thought better of it
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by Baz:
I think the whole thing...the murder, the police actions, the bail hearing..... are all very strange....
I wouldn't like to be on trial there that's for sure
Me either, Aims and I agree with Baz, the whole thing, from any angle looks well weird..
There's no trial by jury, so it doesn't matter what comes out before the trial.
I fear we could end up not getting anywhere near the truth, I think its weird that he went out on the balcony for a fan and didn't see her missing when he came back. why would a young women sleeping with her boyfriend get dressed to go to the toilet... and why would an attacker/burglar lock themselves in a small toilet?
He said he shouted for them to get out of his house "or words to those effect" so why didn`t she answer him? like someone else said maybe we will never find out what really went on
Originally Posted by Aimee:
He said he shouted for them to get out of his house "or words to those effect" so why didn`t she answer him? like someone else said maybe we will never find out what really went on
I know its wrong Aimee,,,but to me the whole story is very unconvincing, the police said she was dressed, why the hell would you get dressed at 4 in the morning to go to the loo
Originally Posted by Baz:
I thought at one time they were saying she had gone there to surprise him But I agree Dame , I think this is going to be another one of those killings that we never really get to the bottom of
But I agree Dame , I think this is going to be another one of those killings that we never really get to the bottom of
they had been in bed Baz and her mobile was found outside the toilet door... why would you get dressed and take your mobile phone to the loo at 4 in the morning
Originally Posted by Baz:
Goodness only knows Dame , there are do many different versions of what happened, and who was doing what and when , that it makes me
Bail decision at 12·30, the courts are arguing that he could change his appearance and skip bail 
I doubt he get away with that
Just discovered that the South Africans abolished the death penalty in 1995. I must keep up.
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Bail decision at 12·30, the courts are arguing that he could change his appearance and skip bail I doubt he get away with that
I doubt there's a lot a double leg amputee can do to trully change himself. It's not as if there were so many double leg amputees out there.
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Bail decision at 12·30, the courts are arguing that he could change his appearance and skip bail I doubt he get away with that
I doubt there's a lot a double leg amputee can do to trully change himself. It's not as if there were so many double leg amputees out there.
True he'd need a lot of help to get away with it
Just watch him play some kinda disability card
There are plenty of useful idiots who would help him out. Think Lord Lucan. If I may say so.
Originally Posted by Baz:
I thought at one time they were saying she had gone there to surprise him But I agree Dame , I think this is going to be another one of those killings that we never really get to the bottom of
But I agree Dame , I think this is going to be another one of those killings that we never really get to the bottom ofThat was the first story I heard too Baz - she'd been planning a Valentine surprise. Then that story just seems to disappear. I agree with you - I don't think there will be an outcome that everyone can accept.
Granted Bail .........No shock
Oscar Pistorius has been granted bail after a four-day hearing in the case of his alleged premeditated murder of Reeva Steenkamp.
The Paralympic champion has been accused of murdering his girlfriend after she was found shot dead at his Pretoria homein the early hours of February 14.
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Oscar Pistorius stands in court during his bail hearing at the magistrate court
Magistrate Desmond Nair announced his decision today (February 22) in a two-hour statement after four days of legal discussions.
He stressed that the issue at hand in deciding bail was not solely the matter of the defendant's possible guilt, but whether or not the interests of justice would be served by the granting or withholding of bail.
Nair said that key to his decision was the detail of Pistorius's affidavit to the court - which directly addressed the state's case, rather than simply denying his guilt.
As the court designated the case a premeditated schedule six offence, the defence had attempted to prove "exceptional circumstances" of the weakness of the state's case for bail to be granted.
Specifically, Nair said that he had considered whether or not the defendant could afford to lose bail money, whether or not he had a propensity to violence, and if he will evade trial.
While not finding that the defence had shown the state's case to be so weak as to reach this level, the case was also not shown to be "so strong and watertight" that Pistorius would think he had to flee or evade his trial.
Nair asked if Pistorius would "duck and dive" to escape a trial, given the circumstances of the case where he may not definitely face a lengthy prison sentence, and concluded that the athlete would not be a flight risk.
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Aimee, Carl and Henke Pistorius look on
He added that ex-lead investigating officer Hilton Botha had not spent enough time to prove propensity to violence on Pistorius's behalf, having not presented medical or other compelling evidence.
Nair previously took apart Botha's testimony, highlighting errors in the investigation, "bumbling" evidence and concessions to the defence, including his "perception of distance" between Pistorius's home and a female witness who had given him a statement.
However, he added that problems with the evidence and credibility of Botha's circumstantial evidence - the only evidence in the matter - did not mean that the state's case was not strong.
Nair admitted he had difficulties with various aspects of Pistorius's version of events on the night.
This included why he did not try to find Steenkamp when he first thought an intruder was in the house, why he did not find out who was in the toilet before shooting, why Steenkamp did not shout back when Pistorius yelled into the bathroom, and why he went into the possible danger of the bathroom rather than escaping through the bedroom door
At the start of the session, Nair had first addressed the matter of media coverage, explaining why he did not allow cameras in the courtroom.
He said that edited highlights may do the process of justice a disservice and that flashing cameras were an unwelcome intrusion.
Nair then spoke through the timeline of the case up until the end of today's arguments.
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Photographers take photos of Oscar Pistorius
The magistrate then explained his reasons for Pistorius being detained in police cells during the hearing, rather than prison.
He said that it was to avoid any delay in the bail hearing and to protect Pistorius's right to present evidence of any "exceptional circumstances" by enabling him to regularly see his lawyers - but said that no precedent had been set in this regard.
Nair recounted Pistorius's statement, starting with his claim not to be guilty of murder, premeditated or otherwise.
Pistorius admitted shooting dead Steenkamp through a toilet door, but told the authorities that he thought she was an intruder when firing the shots.
He added that Pistorius pledged not to contact any witnesses, flee the scene and would also hand in his passport.
Nair then summarised the presentations and cross-examinations over the course of the four-day hearing from prosecutor Gerrie Nel and defence lawyer Barry Roux.
The magistrate said that the state had met the threshold for a schedule six case of premeditated murder to be brought.
Lead investigator Botha, who underwent robust cross-examination from Roux, was taken off the case yesterday when it emerged that
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I'm tending to believe him now, I still do think there are some things to the story that are odd but some of the things being reported were wrong, they said that she has been hit by him with the cricket bat but in court today they say she had no signs of being attacked before being shot, I guess we will have to wait for the trial to see what happened
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Baz:
I thought at one time they were saying she had gone there to surprise him But I agree Dame , I think this is going to be another one of those killings that we never really get to the bottom of
But I agree Dame , I think this is going to be another one of those killings that we never really get to the bottom ofThat was the first story I heard too Baz - she'd been planning a Valentine surprise. Then that story just seems to disappear. I agree with you - I don't think there will be an outcome that everyone can accept.
Thanks Kaffy..... I thought maybe I had imagined it
Originally Posted by Aimee:
I'm tending to believe him now, I still do think there are some things to the story that are odd but some of the things being reported were wrong, they said that she has been hit by him with the cricket bat but in court today they say she had no signs of being attacked before being shot, I guess we will have to wait for the trial to see what happened
Oh so she was just shot ? well thats ok then, im glad he's free now.
Originally Posted by Saint:
Just watch him play some kinda disability card
I do think that the fact that he has no legs was a part of the reason why he has so many supporters who believe in him, if the guy was able bodied and did the same thing I doubt so many people would believe his bizarre story.
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
I'm tending to believe him now, I still do think there are some things to the story that are odd but some of the things being reported were wrong, they said that she has been hit by him with the cricket bat but in court today they say she had no signs of being attacked before being shot, I guess we will have to wait for the trial to see what happened
Oh so she was just shot ? well thats ok then, im glad he's free now.
Did I say that ? I said I was leaning to believe his story but that I found some of it odd, nowhere did I say it was ok that he shot her, get it right before you try to twist my words
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
I'm tending to believe him now, I still do think there are some things to the story that are odd but some of the things being reported were wrong, they said that she has been hit by him with the cricket bat but in court today they say she had no signs of being attacked before being shot, I guess we will have to wait for the trial to see what happened
Oh so she was just shot ? well thats ok then, im glad he's free now.
Did I say that ? I said I was leaning to believe his story but that I found some of it odd, nowhere did I say it was ok that he shot her, get it right before you try to twist my words
I know you didn't say that, i never said you did say that, im just saying that just because theres confusion over what happened that it's fine for him to be bailed, in some peoples minds, im not having a go at you.
But in South Africa getting bail does not depend on the severity (or otherwise) of the crime. It depends on whether you might skip. commit a similar crime, or something else that I can't remember at the moment.
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
But in South Africa getting bail does not depend on the severity (or otherwise) of the crime. It depends on whether you might skip. commit a similar crime, or something else that I can't remember at the moment.
He could easily skip town and disappear.
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
But in South Africa getting bail does not depend on the severity (or otherwise) of the crime. It depends on whether you might skip. commit a similar crime, or something else that I can't remember at the moment.
He could easily skip town and disappear.
He will definitely do a runner(no pun intended)
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
But in South Africa getting bail does not depend on the severity (or otherwise) of the crime. It depends on whether you might skip. commit a similar crime, or something else that I can't remember at the moment.
He could easily skip town and disappear.
He will definitely do a runner(no pun intended)
LOL, theres loads of puns to be had here.
But the funniest thing I heard during all of this was that there was a S. African rugby player that he thought was eyeing up his g/f once, and he threatened to break that Rugby players legs...now that was ironic I thought.
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
I'm tending to believe him now, I still do think there are some things to the story that are odd but some of the things being reported were wrong, they said that she has been hit by him with the cricket bat but in court today they say she had no signs of being attacked before being shot, I guess we will have to wait for the trial to see what happened
Oh so she was just shot ? well thats ok then, im glad he's free now.
Did I say that ? I said I was leaning to believe his story but that I found some of it odd, nowhere did I say it was ok that he shot her, get it right before you try to twist my words
I know you didn't say that, i never said you did say that, im just saying that just because theres confusion over what happened that it's fine for him to be bailed, in some peoples minds, im not having a go at you.
OK
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
But in South Africa getting bail does not depend on the severity (or otherwise) of the crime. It depends on whether you might skip. commit a similar crime, or something else that I can't remember at the moment.
He could easily skip town and disappear.
He will definitely do a runner(no pun intended)
LOL, theres loads of puns to be had here.
But the funniest thing I heard during all of this was that there was a S. African rugby player that he thought was eyeing up his g/f once, and he threatened to break that Rugby players legs...now that was ironic I thought.
Ironic indeed.Not a legs man it seems
Pistorius has a history of troubles with women. Last year, Pistorius allegedly threatened to break the legs of a man whom he suspected of being involved with his then-girlfriend while Pistorius was in London for the Olympics. â[Pistorius] carries a gun everywhere and I have seen him be controlling to women,â said Mark Batchelor, a friend of the man Pistorius threatened. After they broke up, Pistoriusâs ex-girlfriend, Samantha Taylor, told South Africaâs Rapport newspaper that she was âprepared to reveal what (Pistorius) made me go through;â on advice from her lawyers, she later withdrew her statement. In 2009, Pistorius was arrested and charged with common assault after slamming a door on a woman with whom he had fought at a party. (The charges were later dropped, and Pistorius sued the woman and the police.)
Is that not the same woman this week that said he never laid a finger on her like I said it all seems very odd and I wouldn't like to be tried there
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
But in South Africa getting bail does not depend on the severity (or otherwise) of the crime. It depends on whether you might skip. commit a similar crime, or something else that I can't remember at the moment.
He could easily skip town and disappear.
He will definitely do a runner(no pun intended)
LOL, theres loads of puns to be had here.
But the funniest thing I heard during all of this was that there was a S. African rugby player that he thought was eyeing up his g/f once, and he threatened to break that Rugby players legs...now that was ironic I thought.
Ironic indeed.Not a legs man it seems
Pistorius has a history of troubles with women. Last year, Pistorius allegedly threatened to break the legs of a man whom he suspected of being involved with his then-girlfriend while Pistorius was in London for the Olympics. â[Pistorius] carries a gun everywhere and I have seen him be controlling to women,â said Mark Batchelor, a friend of the man Pistorius threatened. After they broke up, Pistoriusâs ex-girlfriend, Samantha Taylor, told South Africaâs Rapport newspaper that she was âprepared to reveal what (Pistorius) made me go through;â on advice from her lawyers, she later withdrew her statement. In 2009, Pistorius was arrested and charged with common assault after slamming a door on a woman with whom he had fought at a party. (The charges were later dropped, and Pistorius sued the woman and the police.)
It's like the Jimmy Savile thing, some of the stories might be made up but they can't all be false...theres alot of smoke there and I think theres some fire too.
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
But in South Africa getting bail does not depend on the severity (or otherwise) of the crime. It depends on whether you might skip. commit a similar crime, or something else that I can't remember at the moment.
He could easily skip town and disappear.
He will definitely do a runner(no pun intended)
But as they said....he has trouble getting through airports because of his disab ility anyway I don't think he will
Originally Posted by erinp:
Granted Bail .........No shock
There's always shocks with "Famous" people, Gazza for instance, "Football hero" celebs run to pay for his alcoholism treatment, yet he's a wife beater and doesn't see his son but it's ok cause he can kick a ball
me, I certainly don't think they have a case for premeditated murder, but I do think there is far more to it that what he is saying
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
me, I certainly don't think they have a case for premeditated murder, but I do think there is far more to it that what he is saying
Part of me agrees with that, but how would he not notice that she'd gone from bed and he called out who's there (re the bathroom) and he shot her from the distance that they say
I can't get over the fact she was dressed Pam, why would she get dressed to go to the loo and why was her mobile outside the loo and he was out on the balcony and had to pass her side of the bed and he didn't see she wasn't there, its all very odd
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
I can't get over the fact she was dressed Pam, why would she get dressed to go to the loo and why was her mobile outside the loo and he was out on the balcony and had to pass her side of the bed and he didn't see she wasn't there, its all very odd
Yep, obviously trying to escape from some situation you would think
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Yep, obviously trying to escape from some situation you would think
well, my first though was she was going somewhere shame she didn't get there
Yes
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
I can't get over the fact she was dressed Pam, why would she get dressed to go to the loo and why was her mobile outside the loo and he was out on the balcony and had to pass her side of the bed and he didn't see she wasn't there, its all very odd
Exactly,.,
Lots of obfuscation. If it goes any further they will be saying that he didn't want to shoot her, and she had to insist.
(See Doug and Dinsdale)
I thought I'd read/heard that she was wearing night clothes as in pyjama style black top and bottoms. Tbh I don't think we'll know all the facts until it comes to trial so atm there's a lot of hearsay, conjecture and rumour. Fact is if he never owned a gun this wouldn't have happened...America and other gun owners take notice!!! Whatever the circumstances of her death he killed her, whether murder or manslaughter
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
I can't get over the fact she was dressed Pam, why would she get dressed to go to the loo and why was her mobile outside the loo and he was out on the balcony and had to pass her side of the bed and he didn't see she wasn't there, its all very odd
She was wearing a vest top and shorts, which is what style pjs my daughter wears so I wouldn't class it as being dressed, from the way I see it, he heard a noise panicked and shot without thinking, he has said in previous interviews that he feels most scared when he hasn't got his legs on in bed, also this was a new relationship so he may have forgot she was there in the heat of the moment
Re him not noticing she wasn't in bed:
Sometimes my hubby gets up early and leaves his side of the bedclothes in a rumpled heap, so when I get up for work it looks like he's still in bed and so I get washed and dressed in the dimness and only discover he's up when I go downstairs.
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Re him not noticing she wasn't in bed:
Sometimes my hubby gets up early and leaves his side of the bedclothes in a rumpled heap, so when I get up for work it looks like he's still in bed and so I get washed and dressed in the dimness and only discover he's up when I go downstairs.
If you thought there was an intruder though, Fluffs - would you first thought not to be to look for your hubby? Despite only being together a couple of months, the family are saying how they were 'deeply in love' - you'd think her safety would be uppermost in his mind if that were true.
Originally Posted by Yellow Rose:
I thought I'd read/heard that she was wearing night clothes as in pyjama style black top and bottoms. Tbh I don't think we'll know all the facts until it comes to trial so atm there's a lot of hearsay, conjecture and rumour. Fact is if he never owned a gun this wouldn't have happened...America and other gun owners take notice!!! Whatever the circumstances of her death he killed her, whether murder or manslaughter
I agree with that.. I know people say it's common in South Africa, but I can't help feeling it's not a great thing to own a gun and be so ready to use it.
Originally Posted by Yellow Rose:
I thought I'd read/heard that she was wearing night clothes as in pyjama style black top and bottoms. Tbh I don't think we'll know all the facts until it comes to trial so atm there's a lot of hearsay, conjecture and rumour. Fact is if he never owned a gun this wouldn't have happened...America and other gun owners take notice!!! Whatever the circumstances of her death he killed her, whether murder or manslaughter
Indeed!
T'Grauniad did a two page special the other day with a floor plan and everything. They also printed the facts in a simple way. Any hearsay, conjecture and rumour seems to originate from the defence.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Re him not noticing she wasn't in bed:
Sometimes my hubby gets up early and leaves his side of the bedclothes in a rumpled heap, so when I get up for work it looks like he's still in bed and so I get washed and dressed in the dimness and only discover he's up when I go downstairs.
If you thought there was an intruder though, Fluffs - would you first thought not to be to look for your hubby? Despite only being together a couple of months, the family are saying how they were 'deeply in love' - you'd think her safety would be uppermost in his mind if that were true.
I'd be jumping under the covers and telling HIM to investigate! Then when I found he wasn't there I'd creep carefully along the landing to the study. If he wasn't there either I'd start thinking that maybe we didn't have an intruder, but I'd still be cautious as I went downstairs!
Hello all on here
this Is one of the most disturbing cases I have read ,I can't fathom It do they have burglar alarms..in S.Africa and If Oscar is so rich and paranoid why not have a guard..he lives in a gated community,why so many guns in the house,and not a guard on the premises ,if he was that scared for his life..something just doesn't ring true ..and really folks feel free to tell me differently
I hope the truth does come out because a young lovely person with their life in front of them Is dead ,and her family have been very dignified .. very sad all round
night all
Frodo
I agree there are so many questions that need to be addressed.I find it very odd that the intruder came in and locked him/herself in the toilet.
I find it odd that his girlfirend didnt respond to him shouting out.
This is a story that just keeps on and on. As reported this morning Oscars brother Carl is being held on charges of culpable homicide.
Just heard that!
Originally Posted by Cinds:
This is a story that just keeps on and on. As reported this morning Oscars brother Carl is being held on charges of culpable homicide.
It looks like they're all at it
Carl's was slightly different though - RTA apparently.
Was it his Dad's house shown last night?
Looked like a 20ft wall and huge iron gates surrounding the property
I'm planning my next holiday to South Africa !!
Don't let us stop you!
Looks like they are going with the theory that she had just been to the toilet as her bladder was empty, just been reading a thread on DS on this subject and they have got to over 180 pages, there sure are some nutters on there
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
Don't let us stop you!
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Looks like they are going with the theory that she had just been to the toilet as her bladder was empty, just been reading a thread on DS on this subject and they have got to over 180 pages, there sure are some nutters on there
Hello Aimee
that' why I like this site and forums and I agree about the silly theories that are going around ...the D Mail or Sunday doesn't help things along ,
It still doesn't make sense to me ,will the truth come out about really happened that night ,I hope so ,but doubt It ,if someone needs the bathroom and their partner thinks I ts an intruder and opens fire ,then that leaves anyone vulnerable ...sad world
on a lighter note lovely to meet you on here ,I know AImee from the games so thanks for reading my ramblings ..frodo
Originally Posted by Saint:
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
Don't let us stop you!
Originally Posted by frodo:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Looks like they are going with the theory that she had just been to the toilet as her bladder was empty, just been reading a thread on DS on this subject and they have got to over 180 pages, there sure are some nutters on there
Hello Aimee
that' why I like this site and forums and I agree about the silly theories that are going around ...the D Mail or Sunday doesn't help things along ,
It still doesn't make sense to me ,will the truth come out about really happened that night ,I hope so ,but doubt It ,if someone needs the bathroom and their partner thinks I ts an intruder and opens fire ,then that leaves anyone vulnerable ...sad world
on a lighter note lovely to meet you on here ,I know AImee from the games so thanks for reading my ramblings ..frodo
We will have to wait and see what the trial throws up, one minute I believe his story and then I change my mind again, it's the going back to the bed to get the gun and not noticing that she wasn't in the bed
Originally Posted by Aimee:
We will have to wait and see what the trial throws up, one minute I believe his story and then I change my mind again, it's the going back to the bed to get the gun and not noticing that she wasn't in the bed
Me too.
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Looks like they are going with the theory that she had just been to the toilet as her bladder was empty, just been reading a thread on DS on this subject and they have got to over 180 pages, there sure are some nutters on there
then again if someone was shooting at me, I'd pee my pants....
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
We will have to wait and see what the trial throws up, one minute I believe his story and then I change my mind again, it's the going back to the bed to get the gun and not noticing that she wasn't in the bed
Me too.
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Looks like they are going with the theory that she had just been to the toilet as her bladder was empty, just been reading a thread on DS on this subject and they have got to over 180 pages, there sure are some nutters on there
then again if someone was shooting at me, I'd pee my pants....
But this would have shown on her clothes, the other thing that seems strange is that he apparently shot 4 times 3 hitting her in the head, hand and knee, so presumably the first bullet hit her in the head or she would have shouted out, how did he shoot through a closed door, not wearing his legs in the dark and get his target first time
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
We will have to wait and see what the trial throws up, one minute I believe his story and then I change my mind again, it's the going back to the bed to get the gun and not noticing that she wasn't in the bed
Me too.
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Looks like they are going with the theory that she had just been to the toilet as her bladder was empty, just been reading a thread on DS on this subject and they have got to over 180 pages, there sure are some nutters on there
then again if someone was shooting at me, I'd pee my pants....
But this would have shown on her clothes, the other thing that seems strange is that he apparently shot 4 times 3 hitting her in the head, hand and knee, so presumably the first bullet hit her in the head or she would have shouted out, how did he shoot through a closed door, not wearing his legs in the dark and get his target first time
yeah.. i was half joking about the pee thing, but I still don't know what I believe. I suppose though - maybe the loo is narrow. If someone shot through my loo door they'd have a pretty good chance of getting me unless I was in the shower I think this was just a toilet though?
From the floor plans that were doing the rounds kaffy, it looked like the toilet was a closed cubicle within the bathroom.
Originally Posted by Cinds:
From the floor plans that were doing the rounds kaffy, it looked like the toilet was a closed cubicle within the bathroom.
that's what I thought cinds, so if he was in the bathroom and she was in the toilet she was pretty much a sitting duck?
I'm sure I also read somewhere that her phone was on the bathroom floor outside of the toilet cubicle
I just feel so sorry for that poor girls family having to listen to all this effusive guff from his.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Cinds:
From the floor plans that were doing the rounds kaffy, it looked like the toilet was a closed cubicle within the bathroom.
that's what I thought cinds, so if he was in the bathroom and she was in the toilet she was pretty much a sitting duck?
So which burgular in his right mind would head for there?
And NO sign of a forced entry - apparently
Sounds v v v odd
I know it's the Daily Mail and all.... but they're reporting that the police told her family she had been hit by the cricket bat, but they didn't want to reveal their case to the defence at the bail hearing.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
I know it's the Daily Mail and all.... but they're reporting that the police told her family she had been hit by the cricket bat, but they didn't want to reveal their case to the defence at the bail hearing.
Her brother is saying in the sun Reeva did have a mark on her head but that was from one of the bullets
Reeva was living with her friend and her parents, her friends dad said after Reeva started dating Oscar he would not leave her alone, he kept pestering her, phoning and phoning her, he was hasty and impatient and very moody, that's my impression of him
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
I know it's the Daily Mail and all.... but they're reporting that the police told her family she had been hit by the cricket bat, but they didn't want to reveal their case to the defence at the bail hearing.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/...-shot-112914266.html
Police told Reeva Steenkamp's family that the model could have been beaten to death with a cricket bat before being shot by Oscar Pistorius, according to reports.
ITV news said at lunchtime that Oscar hadn't turned up at the police station as his bail conditions state he should on Monday's and Friday's, the courts are now saying this isn't part of his bail anymore Oscar did meet up with bail officials though
Originally Posted by Aimee:
ITV news said at lunchtime that Oscar hadn't turned up at the police station as his bail conditions state he should on Monday's and Friday's, the courts are now saying this isn't part of his bail anymore Oscar did meet up with bail officials though
Why don't they just pat him on the head, apologise for the inconvenience and wish him well? I think that's what they're going to end up doing anyway.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
ITV news said at lunchtime that Oscar hadn't turned up at the police station as his bail conditions state he should on Monday's and Friday's, the courts are now saying this isn't part of his bail anymore Oscar did meet up with bail officials though
Why don't they just pat him on the head, apologise for the inconvenience and wish him well? I think that's what they're going to end up doing anyway.
That's my take on it.