You would have to be a simpleton not to realise what is happening to the NHS Fluffy, it's being sold off in large chunks. 

the NHS in Cumbria is in total chaos, I would be lucky to get to a suitable hospital in the golden hour if anything serious happened to me. the lack of services in a county that covers 2.500 thousand miles is  appalling, we don't even have any police in our town...Three weeks waiting list to see a doctor, one doctor at my local surgery took early retirement to save money for the surgery after the latest round of cuts....I can confirm I hate the Tories  but when you have 70 Tory MP's with their fingers in private health firm pies you expect nothing else really 

Hawking - celebrity hungry media whore can't stop himself grabbing for the headlines.

He's said we'll all need to leave Earth and resettle on another planet soon.

Rubbish - and he knows it.

Now the NHS.

Whipping up more concern, that's already there, for media attention.

I think he enjoys scaring people for his face in the papers.

What suddenly makes him an expert on health care?

Saint posted:

Hawking - celebrity hungry media whore can't stop himself grabbing for the headlines.

He's said we'll all need to leave Earth and resettle on another planet soon.

Rubbish - and he knows it.

Now the NHS.

Whipping up more concern, that's already there, for media attention.

I think he enjoys scaring people for his face in the papers.

What suddenly makes him an expert on health care?

I am utterly shocked and stunned and despair at this post (including the highlighted part) 

An eminent scientist to have got where he's got despite his condition and you deride him like that.  

I wonder Saint? have you actually read the article that Fluffs posted?

Hawking - celebrity hungry media whore can't stop himself grabbing for the headlines.

I'm gobsmacked, he didn't give an interview, this is a speech he his giving at  Cambridge University and a media whore is the last thing I would call Stephen Hawking. 

For his thoughts on climate change, he's bang on we are killing the planet. He also has a right to comment on the NHS which is being run into the ground, I think 50 years of living with Motor Neuron Disease gives him a very good idea of what is happening in the NHS.

You can confuse caring to scare mongering if you want, but ignoring it certainly won't help the NHS or ruining the planet not talking about climate change. 

Hawking - Bit late to the party.!!

How long has the NHS been in trouble and he now weighs in.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Hawking - Bit late to the party.!!

 

How long has the NHS been in trouble and he now weighs in.

 

 

Very true EC  The NHS has been in trouble for at least 4 decades ....and not one party ...of any colour ...has managed to sort it out ....moreover , I'm not even sure that , given the huge demands on it these days, anyone can  

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Hawking - Bit late to the party.!!

 

How long has the NHS been in trouble and he now weighs in.

 

 

He hasn't been in the papers recently so .... this time NHS

Last time Climate change and start building space ships.

Attention seeker - has he really got Motor Neurone Disease?

Sprout posted:

Saint posted:

Hawking - celebrity hungry media whore can't stop himself grabbing for the headlines.

He's said we'll all need to leave Earth and resettle on another planet soon.

Rubbish - and he knows it.

Now the NHS.

Whipping up more concern, that's already there, for media attention.

I think he enjoys scaring people for his face in the papers.

What suddenly makes him an expert on health care?

I am utterly shocked and stunned and despair at this post (including the highlighted part) 

 

An eminent scientist to have got where he's got despite his condition and you deride him like that.  

 

I wonder Saint? have you actually read the article that Fluffs posted?

Isn't it interesting that it's always him who's in the headlines.

Where are the other eminent scientists and their views? Or is it that they go about their good work without all the spin and soundbites.

He said we will have to abandon Earth and resettle on a nearby planet.

That will never happen - more sensationalism for attention.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/...miR2Z&ocid=ientp

Saint posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Hawking - Bit late to the party.!!

 

How long has the NHS been in trouble and he now weighs in.

 

 

He hasn't been in the papers recently so .... this time NHS

Last time Climate change and start building space ships.

Attention seeker - has he really got Motor Neurone Disease?

Come on Sproutly - no one has lived that long with it

He's Andy from Little Britain 

In all seriousness . . . I do think he put forward sensationalist comments and loves the reaction he gains.

What has he done that is sooo exceptional in comparison to others?

He doesn't seem to offer much that isn't already known.

What are his revolutionary contributions?

Saint posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Hawking - Bit late to the party.!!

 

How long has the NHS been in trouble and he now weighs in.

 

 

He hasn't been in the papers recently so .... this time NHS

Last time Climate change and start building space ships.

Attention seeker -has he really got Motor Neurone Disease?

Are you for real?

I get you don't care for him much, but I think this and your previous post comments are a bit OTT.

Of course he has Motor Neurone disease - Do you think he goes around in a wheelchair and talks via a speech synthesizer for fun?

Labour supporter slags off Tory Govenment shocker. 

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Saint posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Hawking - Bit late to the party.!!

 

How long has the NHS been in trouble and he now weighs in.

 

 

He hasn't been in the papers recently so .... this time NHS

Last time Climate change and start building space ships.

Attention seeker -has he really got Motor Neurone Disease?

Are you for real?

I get you don't care for him much, but I think this and your previous post comments are a bit OTT.

Of course he has Motor Neurone disease - Do you think he goes around in a wheelchair and talks via a speech synthesizer for fun?

Surely you know Sainty well enough after all these years to know that he wasn't being serious about Stephen Hawking not having MND?

To be honest Yogi, this Government deserves to be 'got at' and don't think it's only one way  

Yogi19 posted:

Surely you know Sainty well enough after all these years to know that he wasn't being serious about Stephen Hawking not having MND?

 

So he is....exactly what I suspected him of being....a wind up merchant? yes? 

Sprout posted:

To be honest Yogi, this Government deserves to be 'got at' and don't think it's only one way  

In your opinion.

I have no problem with anyone offering their opinion, so long as they realise their opinion has no more validity than anyone else's - and that includes Stephen Hawking's opinion of the Tory Government and the NHS.

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

To be honest Yogi, this Government deserves to be 'got at' and don't think it's only one way  

In your opinion.

I have no problem with anyone offering their opinion, so long as they realise their opinion has no more validity than anyone else's - and that includes Stephen Hawking's opinion of the Tory Government and the NHS.

But you've picked him out as a Labour supporter having a go at the Tory government, like his opinion doesn't matter. 

Sprout posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

To be honest Yogi, this Government deserves to be 'got at' and don't think it's only one way  

In your opinion.

I have no problem with anyone offering their opinion, so long as they realise their opinion has no more validity than anyone else's - and that includes Stephen Hawking's opinion of the Tory Government and the NHS.

But you've picked him out as a Labour supporter having a go at the Tory government, like his opinion doesn't matter. 

No, I said "shocker" as in, no surprise there. 

I didn't say his opinion doesn't matter, only that it has no more validity than anyone else's.

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

To be honest Yogi, this Government deserves to be 'got at' and don't think it's only one way  

In your opinion.

I have no problem with anyone offering their opinion, so long as they realise their opinion has no more validity than anyone else's - and that includes Stephen Hawking's opinion of the Tory Government and the NHS.

But you've picked him out as a Labour supporter having a go at the Tory government, like his opinion doesn't matter. 

No, I said "shocker" as in, no surprise there. 

I didn't say his opinion doesn't matter, only that it has no more validity than anyone else's.

You inferred that though, in my opinion.  Like the Tory's are the best and that's it 

Sprout posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

To be honest Yogi, this Government deserves to be 'got at' and don't think it's only one way  

In your opinion.

I have no problem with anyone offering their opinion, so long as they realise their opinion has no more validity than anyone else's - and that includes Stephen Hawking's opinion of the Tory Government and the NHS.

But you've picked him out as a Labour supporter having a go at the Tory government, like his opinion doesn't matter. 

No, I said "shocker" as in, no surprise there. 

I didn't say his opinion doesn't matter, only that it has no more validity than anyone else's.

You inferred that though, in my opinion.  Like the Tory's are the best and that's it 

I never inferred any such thing!

Sprout posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Surely you know Sainty well enough after all these years to know that he wasn't being serious about Stephen Hawking not having MND?

 

So he is....exactly what I suspected him of being....a wind up merchant? yes? 

Of course i'm not being totally serious

I'm taking a side swipe at the silly fellow

He 'is' sensationalist, he is no Einstein and I know he has MND

Really?   your exact words.......

Labour supporter slags off Tory Govenment shocker. 

Saint posted:

Sprout posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Surely you know Sainty well enough after all these years to know that he wasn't being serious about Stephen Hawking not having MND?

 

So he is....exactly what I suspected him of being....a wind up merchant? yes? 

Of course i'm not being totally serious

I'm taking a side swipe at the silly fellow

He 'is' sensationalist, he is no Einstein and I know he has MND

I wish you could see how this makes you look  

And on that note......I'm bowing out for the night, otherwise I'll get myself banned. Night all 

Sprout posted:

Really?   your exact words.......

 

Labour supporter slags off Tory Govenment shocker. 

Let me translate again - Labour supporter slags off Tory Government - no surprise there!

I never said the Tories are best and that's it.

I have no intention of going round in circles with you -  please do not twist my words to suit your own agenda.

Sprout posted:

Saint posted:

Sprout posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Surely you know Sainty well enough after all these years to know that he wasn't being serious about Stephen Hawking not having MND?

 

So he is....exactly what I suspected him of being....a wind up merchant? yes? 

Of course i'm not being totally serious

I'm taking a side swipe at the silly fellow

He 'is' sensationalist, he is no Einstein and I know he has MND

I wish you could see how this makes you look  

Well if you persist in not seeing the joke it will make me look like i'm being serious

Saint posted:

Well if you persist in not seeing the joke it will make me look like i'm being serious

He's Andy from Little Britain

^^^^^^^

Inferring that Stephen Hawking is a scrounger and malingerer whilst suffering from an illness that robs you of everything except your mind is wrong on so many levels. There is absolutely nothing funny about your replies  and I was more shocked you found it something that you can take the p*ss out of. 

Well Little Britain do and they've won awards

You really do have a problem don't you?   I don't call that humour. I think it's sick. How do you know that there aren't FM's on here that have relatives that have that condition. That could be deeply offensive to them. 

And as for Little Britain, just because they do it (and I'm not condoning them) you don't have to copy. 

I'm merely having a wry jibe.

If we censored on account of some possible offence we would have no comedy, no sarcasm ... no opinion.

I'll leave it there so the thread can develop as it was intended.

Humour is a very subjective thing, so what one person finds hilarious, another will find "sick".

It's well known that people who live or work in incredibly difficult situations often resort to black humour as a coping mechanism - it doesn't mean they are cold or heartless.

I am irritated at the, "I am offended on behalf of an imaginary person who may (or may not!) be offended" nonsense . 

You may think, "You are irritated - so what!" Well, you are offended - so what!

I leave you a quote by Stephen Fry, on the subject of "being offended", and I have deleted part of the swear word to avoid upsetting those who find swearing offensive:

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine.

'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what."

The NHS has become a juggernaut ...and gone way beyond anything it's founding father (s) ever envisioned ! Medicine has , in many ways,  become the victim of its own success and we are left with an economic , logistical and bureaucratic nightmare ! As I posted earlier , and despite views to the contrary , this is not a new thing , it's been steadily declining for at least 4 decades . I don't have the answers , I'm not that clever   However, it doesn't take a genius to know that it will NEVER get sorted out ( if it can be ) while it is used as a political football by every successive government or party ....;and you'd think that the so called intelligentsia would know that !! And the more anarchical and divisive our politics gets the worse things will become .

Baz posted:

The NHS has become a juggernaut ...and gone way beyond anything it's founding father (s) ever envisioned ! Medicine has , in many ways,  become the victim of its own success and we are left with an economic , logistical and bureaucratic nightmare ! As I posted earlier , and despite views to the contrary , this is not a new thing , it's been steadily declining for at least 4 decades . I don't have the answers , I'm not that clever   However, it doesn't take a genius to know that it will NEVER get sorted out ( if it can be ) while it is used as a political football by every successive government or party ....;and you'd think that the so called intelligentsia would know that !! And the more anarchical and divisive our politics gets the worse things will become .

 

 Spot on, Baz

Yogi19 posted:

 

It's well known that people who live or work in incredibly difficult situations often resort to black humour as a coping mechanism - it doesn't mean they are cold or heartless.

 

That is very true Yogi19. I find it occurs reasonably regularly in my profession. The irony is that despite some of the black humour or gallow humour found in my line of work, we regularly stop, prevent ongoing or future pain and suffering.

If anyone has experienced ongoing suffering or future pain due to my posts accept my deepest apologies.

Yogi19 posted:

Labour supporter slags off Tory Govenment shocker. 

That is what Labour supporters tend to do.  If Hawking thought the Tories were great he'd be a Tory!  You know, like  Clarkson, Jim Davidson, Baronesse Bra and the repugnant Katie Hopkins 

Yogi19: Tory supporter dismisses criticism by a considerable intellectual superior to him/herself and someone who has first hand experience of the NHS and appreciates its role in his life.  But hey, Yogi19 thinks Hawking's views are invalid because he recently came out in favour of Labour.

Are Tory voters the only 'legitimate' critiques of this minority government?

Have you ever thought that the reason Hawking doesn't support your favourite party on this is because he understands and has first hand experience of what the NHS has done for him and the dangers in flogging it all off to private concerns?

Carnelian posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Labour supporter slags off Tory Govenment shocker. 

 

1.That is what Labour supporters tend to do.  If Hawking thought the Tories were great he'd be a Tory!  You know, like  Clarkson, Jim Davidson, Baronesse Bra and the repugnant Katie Hopkins 

 

2.Yogi19: Tory supporter dismisses criticism by a considerable intellectual superior to him/herself and 3.someone who has first hand experience of the NHS and appreciates its role in his life.  But hey, Yogi19 thinks Hawking's views are invalid because he recently came out in favour of Labour.

 

4.Are Tory voters the only 'legitimate' critiques of this minority government?

 

5.Have you ever thought that the reason Hawking doesn't support your favourite party on this is because he understands and has first hand experience of what the NHS has done for him and the dangers in flogging it all off to private concerns?

 

BiB:

1. Well colour me shocked! That was my point, no surprise there!

2. I'm female, and miaow, you need to be careful, your claws are showing.

3. If you knew anything about me - which you obviously don't - you'd know I have had almost two decades of first hand experience of the NHS for a chronic and debilitating illness. I grant you, nothing as horrendous as MND but I am not without experience of the failings of the NHS - under both Labour and Tory governments.

4. No and I never said they were.

5. I'm sure he has several reasons for his political party of choice, as do most people.

Yogi19 posted:

Carnelian posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Labour supporter slags off Tory Govenment shocker. 

 

1.That is what Labour supporters tend to do.  If Hawking thought the Tories were great he'd be a Tory!  You know, like  Clarkson, Jim Davidson, Baronesse Bra and the repugnant Katie Hopkins 

 

2.Yogi19: Tory supporter dismisses criticism by a considerable intellectual superior to him/herself and 3.someone who has first hand experience of the NHS and appreciates its role in his life.  But hey, Yogi19 thinks Hawking's views are invalid because he recently came out in favour of Labour.

 

4.Are Tory voters the only 'legitimate' critiques of this minority government?

 

5.Have you ever thought that the reason Hawking doesn't support your favourite party on this is because he understands and has first hand experience of what the NHS has done for him and the dangers in flogging it all off to private concerns?

 

BiB:

1. Well colour me shocked! That was my point, no surprise there!

2. I'm female, and miaow, you need to be careful, your claws are showing.

3. If you knew anything about me - which you obviously don't - you'd know I have had almost two decades of first hand experience of the NHS for a chronic and debilitating illness. I grant you, nothing as horrendous as MND but I am not without experience of the failings of the NHS - under both Labour and Tory governments.

4. No and I never said they were.

5. I'm sure he has several reasons for his political party of choice, as do most people.

 

 

 

1. Hawking is not exactly the typical Labour voter.  He's come out in favour of Labour because he believes the Tories are wrecking the NHS.  As do I.

2. So what about Hawking's views makes you dismiss them?  I assume you'd concede that Hawking is your intellectual superior and has come to his conclusions by logic and experience - and his opinions can't just be dismissed by 'well, that's just what a leftie luvvie would say'?

3. Fair enough, so why the hostility to Hawking?  

4. yep

5. I'm sure he does, but he's a very rich man who like most rich men would naturally gravitate to selfishness and Tory support.  He hasn't, so he's one of few, he's an aberration among his group.  

The Theory of Everything bopic of Stephen Hawking gets its terrestrial premiere on ITV on Monday at 9pm,

El Loro posted:

The Theory of Everything bopic of Stephen Hawking gets its terrestrial premiere on ITV on Monday at 9pm,

That might go some way to explaining the timing , eh El 

Carnelian posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Carnelian posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Labour supporter slags off Tory Govenment shocker. 

 

1.That is what Labour supporters tend to do.  If Hawking thought the Tories were great he'd be a Tory!  You know, like  Clarkson, Jim Davidson, Baronesse Bra and the repugnant Katie Hopkins 

 

2.Yogi19: Tory supporter dismisses criticism by a considerable intellectual superior to him/herself and 3.someone who has first hand experience of the NHS and appreciates its role in his life.  But hey, Yogi19 thinks Hawking's views are invalid because he recently came out in favour of Labour.

 

4.Are Tory voters the only 'legitimate' critiques of this minority government?

 

5.Have you ever thought that the reason Hawking doesn't support your favourite party on this is because he understands and has first hand experience of what the NHS has done for him and the dangers in flogging it all off to private concerns?

 

BiB:

1. Well colour me shocked! That was my point, no surprise there!

2. I'm female, and miaow, you need to be careful, your claws are showing.

3. If you knew anything about me - which you obviously don't - you'd know I have had almost two decades of first hand experience of the NHS for a chronic and debilitating illness. I grant you, nothing as horrendous as MND but I am not without experience of the failings of the NHS - under both Labour and Tory governments.

4. No and I never said they were.

5. I'm sure he has several reasons for his political party of choice, as do most people.

 

 

 

1. Hawking is not exactly the typical Labour voter.  He's come out in favour of Labour because he believes the Tories are wrecking the NHS.  As do I.

 

2. So what about Hawking's views makes you dismiss them?  I assume you'd concede that Hawking is your intellectual superior and has come to his conclusions by logic and experience - and his opinions can't just be dismissed by 'well, that's just what a leftie luvvie would say'?

 

3. Fair enough, so why the hostility to Hawking?  

 

4. yep

 

5. I'm sure he does, but he's a very rich man who like most rich men would naturally gravitate to selfishness and Tory support.  He hasn't, so he's one of few, he's an aberration among his group.  

 

1. In this day and age, things have moved on and he's hardly an atypical Labour supporter. There are plenty of wealthy people who have tied their flag to the Labour Party mast - just as some people from working class backgrounds now support the Tories.

2. There is no doubt that Stephen Hawking has an incredible intellect, that doesn't mean I have to agree with every opinion he proffers.

3. You appear to be associating a difference of opinion, with hostility. I find it perfectly easy to respect someone and yet disagree on certain topics.

Absolutely no hostility coming from me towards Stephen Hawking. I have a great admiration for his intellect and great sympathy for the way he has been affected by MND.

4. Nope 

5. There seem to be plenty of rich men within the Labour Party. I remind you of the multi millionaire El Milliband and the 7 millionaires who were in his Shadow Cabinet and the many rich people who are Labour Party supporters, so Stephen Hawking is hardly an aberration.