Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Baz posted:

Runs in ....I like Laurence Fox ....runs out quickly 

sorry Baz, Trump supporting bigot and some very weird ideas, he was never high on my like list and now he's shifted to my detest list. 

I thought he made quite a salient point on qt though ..

Baz posted:

I thought he made quite a salient point on qt though ..

I didn't agree with it, he is white and privilege....with a voice like his he wouldn't have got a slot on Jeremy Vine if he didn't come from a famous acting dynasty. I wasn't actually talking about QT, he's pure ignorance of WW! and from what I have read about him since, he's gone from being a mediocre actor to prat  

Saint posted:
machel posted:

Janet street porter

richard branson

micheal macintyre

What do people think of Michael McIntyre??

When he started he was more 'alternative' but as he's become this huge star celebrity for the BBC his comedy has become safe, smug and grating.  That is what you'd expect for someone occupying that Saturday night family light entertainment slot.  He comes over as really full of himself.  I don't hate him and can think of a lot of worse, it's just I wouldn't choose to watch his shtick.  Ant and Dec annoy me more.

Carnelian posted:

Can I nominate 'scientist' Nick Gray of gtech vacuums?  I don't have an axe to grind against his firm or his vacuum cleaners but him and his adverts! 

 oh yeah

Have a vacuum that's basically a little electric motor = £300

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Baz posted:

I thought he made quite a salient point on qt though ..

I didn't agree with it, he is white and privilege....with a voice like his he wouldn't have got a slot on Jeremy Vine if he didn't come from a famous acting dynasty. I wasn't actually talking about QT, he's pure ignorance of WW! and from what I have read about him since, he's gone from being a mediocre actor to prat  

yep, in his ignorance, he sneered at a film with a Sikh as a  British WWI combatant as 'woke politically correct' when thousands of Sikhs fought for and laid down their lives for the British cause in WWI.  He owes the Sikh community a contrite apology and so does the legions of ignorant arseholes who nod their heads in agreement with his racist ignorance. 

 

If he can't do that, he is a racist!

Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Baz posted:

I thought he made quite a salient point on qt though ..

I didn't agree with it, he is white and privilege....with a voice like his he wouldn't have got a slot on Jeremy Vine if he didn't come from a famous acting dynasty. I wasn't actually talking about QT, he's pure ignorance of WW! and from what I have read about him since, he's gone from being a mediocre actor to prat  

In my opinion, if you are not part of the minority (or majority in the case of women), then it is best not to comment on racism, sexism, disabledism etc etc... in public.

1 Piers Morgan

2 Ian Duncan Smith

3 Donald Trump 

4 Susanna Reid

5 Ulrika Jonson

6 Anthea Turner

7 Penny Smith

8 Gordon Ramsay

9 Greg Wallace

10 Richard + Judy

11 Jacob Rees-Mogg 

12 Ester McVey

13 Paul Hollywood

14 Cheryl Twaddle

15 Gemma Collins

16 Scarlett Moffatt

17 Amanda Holden

18 Trinnie and Suzanne

19 Anna Ryder Richardson

20 Brendan Cole

21 Claudia Winkleman

22 Chris Packham

23 Ed Balls

24 Roxan Pallet

25 Chris Evans

26 Gaby Roslin

27 Gillian Burke

28 Gillian McKeith

29 Katy Hopkins

30 Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen

31 Dominic Littlewood

32 David van Day

33 Charlotte Crosby

34 Jeremy Kyle

35 Jedward

36 Russel Brand

37 Natasha Kaplinski

38 Justin lee Collins

39 Vanessa Feltz

40 James Corden

41 Kerry Katona

42 Colleen Nolan

43 Katy Price

44 Fiona Phillips 

45 Jimmy Carr

46 Jonathon Ross

47 TOWIE

48 Egg-heads bloke

49 Dominic Littlewood

50 Stephen Mulhern

51 Keith Lemon/Leigh Francis

52 Ann Widdicombe

53 Geordie Shore idiots

54 Katie Price

55 Denise Welch

56 Frankie Cocozza

57 Frankie/Kelly Malone

58 Rachel Riley

59 Janet Street Porter

60 Richard Branson

61 Lawrence Fox

62 Paddy McGuiness (why is he famous)

63 Jeremy Clarkson

64 Holly Willoughby

65 James Dyson

66 Paul Gray (Gtech)

67 Paul Ross

Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Johnathon King

Isn’t he dead 

Still alive, I don't think a child abuser can be described as 'irritating', it's not like you might think, "Oh that posh spice is well up herself with her stupid pouts and ridiculous poses she thinks she can copyright, and that Jonathan King, with his pedophilia, really irritates me as well!"

Carnelian posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Johnathon King

Isn’t he dead 

Still alive, I don't think a child abuser can be described as 'irritating', it's not like you might think, "Oh that posh spice is well up herself with her stupid pouts and ridiculous poses she thinks she can copyright, and that Jonathan King, with his pedophilia, really irritates me as well!"

Jonathan King was widely considered to be deeply irritating (and indeed he rather played on his reputation as a bit of a "Marmite" figure) long before his criminal activities became public knowledge, and I assume that's where the reference comes from.

 

That said, I fully understand and agree with your point: no matter how 'irritating' I might consider "Johnny Reggae" (and it's often cited as a classic example of "cultural appropriation"), it simply isn't comparable to a conviction for child sexual abuse...

Eugene's Lair posted:
Carnelian posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Johnathon King

Isn’t he dead 

Still alive, I don't think a child abuser can be described as 'irritating', it's not like you might think, "Oh that posh spice is well up herself with her stupid pouts and ridiculous poses she thinks she can copyright, and that Jonathan King, with his pedophilia, really irritates me as well!"

Jonathan King was widely considered to be deeply irritating (and indeed he rather played on his reputation as a bit of a "Marmite" figure) long before his criminal activities became public knowledge, and I assume that's where the reference comes from.

 

That said, I fully understand and agree with your point: no matter how 'irritating' I might consider "Johnny Reggae" (and it's often cited as a classic example of "cultural appropriation"), it simply isn't comparable to a conviction for child sexual abuse...

Was gonna say exactly this ^^^

The title does say 'horrors' however - should Rolf Harris go on there and Fred Talbot? Or maybe none of them??

Saint posted:
Eugene's Lair posted:
Carnelian posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Johnathon King

Isn’t he dead 

Still alive, I don't think a child abuser can be described as 'irritating', it's not like you might think, "Oh that posh spice is well up herself with her stupid pouts and ridiculous poses she thinks she can copyright, and that Jonathan King, with his pedophilia, really irritates me as well!"

Jonathan King was widely considered to be deeply irritating (and indeed he rather played on his reputation as a bit of a "Marmite" figure) long before his criminal activities became public knowledge, and I assume that's where the reference comes from.

 

That said, I fully understand and agree with your point: no matter how 'irritating' I might consider "Johnny Reggae" (and it's often cited as a classic example of "cultural appropriation"), it simply isn't comparable to a conviction for child sexual abuse...

Was gonna say exactly this ^^^

The title does say 'horrors' however - should Rolf Harris go on there and Fred Talbot? Or maybe none of them??

I agree it's a bit harsh to put someone like Anthea Turner in with a convicted underage sex abuser.  I know many find her very irritating and I can see that but I actually quite like Anthea Turner - I think she can laugh at herself.  Regardless of how much she might annoy you, she's not a convicted paedophile, is she?

Eugene's Lair posted:
Carnelian posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Johnathon King

Isn’t he dead 

Still alive, I don't think a child abuser can be described as 'irritating', it's not like you might think, "Oh that posh spice is well up herself with her stupid pouts and ridiculous poses she thinks she can copyright, and that Jonathan King, with his pedophilia, really irritates me as well!"

Jonathan King was widely considered to be deeply irritating (and indeed he rather played on his reputation as a bit of a "Marmite" figure) long before his criminal activities became public knowledge, and I assume that's where the reference comes from.

 

That said, I fully understand and agree with your point: no matter how 'irritating' I might consider "Johnny Reggae" (and it's often cited as a classic example of "cultural appropriation"), it simply isn't comparable to a conviction for child sexual abuse...

I think cultural appropriation is a tricky one.  "Jonny Reggae" is just a cash-in novelty record at a time when reggae was very popular - and just that.  The 2 Tone era bands were accused of cultural appropriation - Madness - all white but almost being a Prince Buster tribute act in their early days, yet the overall message of that genre was multicultural togetherness.  Were the early black Ragtime and Jazz musicians 'appropriating' white European musical forms and white European instruments to produce their music?  Yes, they were, but so what!

Carnelian posted:
Eugene's Lair posted:
Carnelian posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Johnathon King

Isn’t he dead 

Still alive, I don't think a child abuser can be described as 'irritating', it's not like you might think, "Oh that posh spice is well up herself with her stupid pouts and ridiculous poses she thinks she can copyright, and that Jonathan King, with his pedophilia, really irritates me as well!"

Jonathan King was widely considered to be deeply irritating (and indeed he rather played on his reputation as a bit of a "Marmite" figure) long before his criminal activities became public knowledge, and I assume that's where the reference comes from.

 

That said, I fully understand and agree with your point: no matter how 'irritating' I might consider "Johnny Reggae" (and it's often cited as a classic example of "cultural appropriation"), it simply isn't comparable to a conviction for child sexual abuse...

I think cultural appropriation is a tricky one.  "Jonny Reggae" is just a cash-in novelty record at a time when reggae was very popular - and just that.  The 2 Tone era bands were accused of cultural appropriation - Madness - all white but almost being a Prince Buster tribute act in their early days, yet the overall message of that genre was multicultural togetherness.  Were the early black Ragtime and Jazz musicians 'appropriating' white European musical forms and white European instruments to produce their music?  Yes, they were, but so what!

That's rather the point though...

 

I feel I'm dragging this thread seriously off-topic, so I don't want to go into this in great depth, but the criticism of "Johnny Reggae" centres around just that: it was a cheap cash-in by a white bloke who had no real knowledge, understanding or interest in the musical culture he was borrowing from. 

 

You mention Madness as an example: the band I usually hear as a comparison is The Specials (or, more specifically, just Jerry Dammers), but the point remains the same. Yes; the 2 Tone bands attracted criticism at the time, but they genuinely respected and cared for the music, as well as the culture it represented. As you say, Madness started out - pretty much by their own admission - as virtually a Prince Buster tribute act, but that was "tribute" in the proper, respectful, sense.

Compared with Jonathan King, we're talking chalk and cheese...

Eugene's Lair posted:
Carnelian posted:
Eugene's Lair posted:
Carnelian posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Johnathon King

Isn’t he dead 

Still alive, I don't think a child abuser can be described as 'irritating', it's not like you might think, "Oh that posh spice is well up herself with her stupid pouts and ridiculous poses she thinks she can copyright, and that Jonathan King, with his pedophilia, really irritates me as well!"

Jonathan King was widely considered to be deeply irritating (and indeed he rather played on his reputation as a bit of a "Marmite" figure) long before his criminal activities became public knowledge, and I assume that's where the reference comes from.

 

That said, I fully understand and agree with your point: no matter how 'irritating' I might consider "Johnny Reggae" (and it's often cited as a classic example of "cultural appropriation"), it simply isn't comparable to a conviction for child sexual abuse...

I think cultural appropriation is a tricky one.  "Jonny Reggae" is just a cash-in novelty record at a time when reggae was very popular - and just that.  The 2 Tone era bands were accused of cultural appropriation - Madness - all white but almost being a Prince Buster tribute act in their early days, yet the overall message of that genre was multicultural togetherness.  Were the early black Ragtime and Jazz musicians 'appropriating' white European musical forms and white European instruments to produce their music?  Yes, they were, but so what!

That's rather the point though...

 

I feel I'm dragging this thread seriously off-topic, so I don't want to go into this in great depth, but the criticism of "Johnny Reggae" centres around just that: it was a cheap cash-in by a white bloke who had no real knowledge, understanding or interest in the musical culture he was borrowing from. 

 

You mention Madness as an example: the band I usually hear as a comparison is The Specials (or, more specifically, just Jerry Dammers), but the point remains the same. Yes; the 2 Tone bands attracted criticism at the time, but they genuinely respected and cared for the music, as well as the culture it represented. As you say, Madness started out - pretty much by their own admission - as virtually a Prince Buster tribute act, but that was "tribute" in the proper, respectful, sense.

Compared with Jonathan King, we're talking chalk and cheese...

I can't disagree with any of this Eugene's Lair, absolutely spot on and very well said!

Johnny Reggae,  a naff, tacky cheap cash-in absolutely!  Still, if that was his only crime, he would be irritating, but being a convicted peadophile is in a different league!

1 Piers Morgan

2 Ian Duncan Smith

3 Donald Trump 

4 Susanna Reid

5 Ulrika Jonson

6 Anthea Turner

7 Penny Smith

8 Gordon Ramsay

9 Greg Wallace

10 Richard + Judy

11 Jacob Rees-Mogg 

12 Ester McVey

13 Paul Hollywood

14 Cheryl Twaddle

15 Gemma Collins

16 Scarlett Moffatt

17 Amanda Holden

18 Trinnie and Suzanne

19 Anna Ryder Richardson

20 Brendan Cole

21 Claudia Winkleman

22 Chris Packham

23 Ed Balls

24 Roxan Pallet

25 Chris Evans

26 Gaby Roslin

27 Gillian Burke

28 Gillian McKeith

29 Katy Hopkins

30 Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen

31 Dominic Littlewood

32 David van Day

33 Charlotte Crosby

34 Jeremy Kyle

35 Jedward

36 Russel Brand

37 Natasha Kaplinski

38 Justin lee Collins

39 Vanessa Feltz

40 James Corden

41 Kerry Katona

42 Colleen Nolan

43 Katy Price

44 Fiona Phillips 

45 Jimmy Carr

46 Jonathon Ross

47 TOWIE

48 Egg-heads bloke

49 Dominic Littlewood

50 Stephen Mulhern

51 Keith Lemon/Leigh Francis

52 Ann Widdicombe

53 Geordie Shore idiots

54 Katie Price

55 Denise Welch

56 Frankie Cocozza

57 Frankie/Kelly Malone

58 Rachel Riley

59 Janet Street Porter

60 Richard Branson

61 Lawrence Fox

62 Paddy McGuiness (why is he famous)

63 Jeremy Clarkson

64 Holly Willoughby

65 James Dyson

66 Paul Gray (Gtech)

67 Paul Ross

68 David Icke

69 Jonathon King

 

 . . . and one more please 

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