So stop whinging, and leave the 'other half' to it 

But y'see i'll bump into this occasionally when I have to rough it with you commoners lot

Delusions then? 

 

I rather think so 

 You two lol

 

 

Actually I love the train station - and travelling by train

It's buses I hate.

Slow, noisy, dangerous and driven by wild men

Travelling by car can be much the same too 

True . . . but it's your noise and your space

And it can go w-a-y beyond a bus route

Oh, you dunno how many replies I've deleted here 

I can imagine 

I'm not sure you can,  

 

Every new album that is released seems to be described as "incredible". All the over-hype for mediocre albums is so 

 

 

Amazon reviews! 

 

I've been buying stuff based on them... turns out lots of them are fake! 

 

 

What sort of stuff Roger?

For years I've bought most of my gifts on on Amazon due to ease of delivery/range etc. But the reviews can't be believed now, after I found out about the comedy spoof reviews for certain products:

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Box-Ca...ords=paul+ross+print

 

Some of the "customers who viewed this item also viewed" products on that page also got spoof reviews too.

I had tears in my eyes laughing at this though 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camero...00XWSXES7SG89Q77TDX9

Why do people doing sign language pull such ridiculous expressions?

 

I was once told its to be more expressive

 

It doesn't matter what its for - it looks terrible.

Why would anyone need to pull a silly face to get a message across?

Isn't it the same as saying something in a different tone of voice though?

Oh I agree

 

A frown - a smile - a scowl - raised eyebrows ... all help

 

But I'm talking about expressions that make the signer look plain ridiculous.

 

If the expressions used 'are' needed then please please modify them

When your lappy goes slooooooooow. Worst when doing a virus scan 

Road chevrons used to reduce a two lane road to a one lane bottle neck

Renton, you really flabbergast me. Why on earh would that bother you? If a person is singing and making facial gestures, why would it bother you? 

 

Plus, I'm sure you have mentioned working with the disabled? So again, why on earth would you?

I guess its cos a lot of my work involves breaking down barriers and looking towards acceptance of disability and when I see something that just looks so, well ... silly - I wonder how it is necessary and wish it could change.

In your eyes!   It helps get the message across though, and that....is a good thing! 

It's not silly though!   Think about it!   Some people just don't have the same abilities as you! 

Noooo I'm not talking about a disabled person

I'm talking about signers - like the ones seen on TV

Probably because you've stuck with the manufactured sheight aka Makaton and have never investigated the true language BSL, a language which relies on total communication including, as well as sign, spatial awareness and facial expression. If I may say so.
Not that I'm an expert myself like.

Like I said....we are all different, and if that helps someone then I'm all for it 

I don't know much about sign language but the exaggerated facial expressions aid the meaning of the hands signing surely?

 

Go to your corner Saint and think about what you've done  

Mea culpa though but. I forgot to say.....
Hope that helps!

I can't see any need to gurn in order to be understood

I suspect EC just fell out of the back of his transit.

But when some people can't grasp things properly because they have a disability you try anything you can to help them surely? 

BSL is standardised

So the face pulling is to all - not just to someone who may have difficulty understanding.

So its used to those who can fully understand the hand gestures.

I just can't see why pulling faces is necessary - especially in such extreme ways

Oh and neck tattoos - horrible

Have you ever watched deaf people signing to each other, out of interest?

Some do it, so it must be natural for them?

 

Honestly Saint.... waaaaay dumb thing to say, and quite offensive. 

 

 

Because it gives value to the statement. A signed version of your "double plus good" a la 1984.

Horses for courses...what works for one doesn't neccesarily (sp) work for another 

Yeah Rog, he's gone over the top there