Immunosuppressed to get a fourth dose of vaccine (a second booster)….and gap between doses of vaccine changed from 6 months to 3 months .
Scientist:- Travel rule changes too late to stop Omicron spread!
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I have to agree with that.
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Scientist:- Travel rule changes too late to stop Omicron spread!
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I have to agree with that.
Me too EFFT 
We are always behind the curve ball !
@slimfern posted:
** Breaking News **
Johnson is holding a Covid Press Conference tonight at 6pm. (Will be shown on BBC1: not sure about other channels.)
Rumour is that they are considering "Plan B" measures for England.
@Eugene's Lair posted:** Breaking News **
Johnson is holding a Covid Press Conference tonight at 6pm. (Will be shown on BBC1: not sure about other channels.)
Rumour is that they are considering "Plan B" measures for England.
Rumour is now a reality 
@Baz posted:About bliddy time ….at the very least , they should have followed Wales and Scotland and retained mask wearing earlier .
Can’t argue with that Baz….indeed I always have in shops etc……but us wearing masks out and about can’t stop the virus spreading when 50,000 people can go to a football match, to theatres, cinemas etc without one….although that has changed today. Moreover people in my family have had to have vaccine passports to go to a few events….but on arrival found that nobody checked them
@Kaytee posted:Can’t argue with that Baz….indeed I always have in shops etc……but us wearing masks out and about can’t stop the virus spreading when 50,000 people can go to a football match, to theatres, cinemas etc without one….although that has changed today. Moreover people in my family have had to have vaccine passports to go to a few events….but on arrival found that nobody checked them
Trouble is , are people going to comply Kaytee 
@Kaytee posted:Observing people outdoors, the majority have kept their masks, but teenagers and 20s have not….don’t think anything will encourage those to comply…..so avoid them as much as possible
I don’t wear one on my walks …but I stay well away from people , and always put my mask on on the rare occasions I have to go in the local shop ….and I even put a disposable glove on if I have to use the cash machine 
@Baz posted:I don’t wear one on my walks …but I stay well away from people , and always put my mask on on the rare occasions I have to go in the local shop ….and I even put a disposable glove on if I have to use the cash machine
It’s commonsense Baz❤️……those gloves are far too big for my tiny hands🤣…..but I carry a small bottle of sanitizer with me for such occasions🤣🤣🤣❤️
@Baz posted:The latest figures say there are 78,000 cases of covid
Boris has just said 780,000 
@slimfern posted:It's been reported that the number of Omicron cases are doubling every 2 days ...a lot faster than any of the other variants.
Now even less than 2.
I wish they'd stop saying IMUNITY, there is no immunity! There is protection, which can vary, but immunity can't. You you either are or aren't immune.......and there is NOTHING (currently} that delivers immunity to Covid.
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:I wish they'd stop saying IMUNITY, there is no immunity! There is protection, which can vary, but immunity can't.
Exactly EFFT 
Whichever way you look at it, it's all a bit of a mess!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Whichever way you look at it, it's all a bit of a mess!
Exactly , we never seem to learn and move fast enough to get ahead of the curve ….and this is no bliddy different !
To gjve them their due (and they don't deserve much) they did mention the uncertainty, It's a bit of a precaution - better to have it but not need it, rather than NOT have it then find out (too late) that it WAS needed!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:To gjve them their due (and they don't deserve much) they did mention the uncertainty, It's a bit of a precaution - better to have it but not need it, rather than NOT have it then find out (too late) that it WAS needed!
I agree about that EFFT …but they seem to be going to wait until loads of people go into hospital , and die , before they bring in any more stringent measures ….imo it’s better to concede now …but that’s probably just my normal risk adverse mentality
Again it's being left up to people's 'common sense' for the main part!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Again it's being left up to people's 'common sense' for the main part!
Yes….it’s ok for responsible people to be taking a test before they go out , but that won’t protect them from the plonkers who think none of it applies to them ….and there will be no way of telling who is who !
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Again it's being left up to people's 'common sense' for the main part!
They forget that ( mainly young people) don’t have any and think they are invincible…..looking at the stats it’s mainly teens and twenties who are ignoring the recommendations…..and it’s mainly them and the unvaccinated
that are ending up in hospital…..and pregnant and post pregnancy ladies who didn’t get jabbed
@Kaytee posted:They forget that ( mainly young people) don’t have any and think they are invincible…..looking at the stats it’s mainly teens and twenties who are ignoring the recommendations…..and it’s mainly them and the unvaccinated
that are ending up in hospital…..and pregnant and post pregnancy ladies who didn’t get jabbed
Once again - it's reactive not proactive. Leaving rules for us to apply according to our conscience. They know allowing places where people can mingle to remain open mean people will get infected and die and because going to those places were our choice it will be our fault if we die
@Saint posted:Once again - it's reactive not proactive. Leaving rules for us to apply according to our conscience. They know allowing places where people can mingle to remain open mean people will get infected and die and because going to those places were our choice it will be our fault if we die
Spot on Renton !
@Saint posted:Once again - it's reactive not proactive. Leaving rules for us to apply according to our conscience. They know allowing places where people can mingle to remain open mean people will get infected and die and because going to those places were our choice it will be our fault if we die
Of course!
It's always OUR fault, never theirs!!!
@Saint posted:Once again - it's reactive not proactive. Leaving rules for us to apply according to our conscience. They know allowing places where people can mingle to remain open mean people will get infected and die and because going to those places were our choice it will be our fault if we die
Only one person has died with Omicron…..with….could mean it wasn’t the cause of death….we don’t know the age,vaccination status or whether he had an underlying condition…….the government and the prophets of doom want to scare people into getting their jabs ….and it looks like it’s being successful.
personally ,I have been cautious when out and about and being triple jabbed hasn’t made me suddenly decide to do things I haven’t been doing all along……
I still struggle with people heeding gossip on the internet whilst ignoring doctors and medical experts worldwide
If there was a conspiracy then every nurse, health care worker, doctor, pharmaceutical employee and eminent professor of medicine would have to be in on it for the rest of their lives
@Kaytee posted:I’d love to know how these stats are compiled…..having worked with them for years ,..to quote ‘There are lies,damned lies and statistics’……easiest thing in the world to fiddle
Normally I’d agree , but I don’t see why they would want to fiddle them though Kaytee …..they aren’t government stats , they are scientific ones I think . I hope you are right about them over egging things , but my gut tells me things are going to get very bad , very quickly this time .
@Kaytee posted:Only one person has died with Omicron…..with….could mean it wasn’t the cause of death….we don’t know the age,vaccination status or whether he had an underlying condition…….the government and the prophets of doom want to scare people into getting their jabs ….and it looks like it’s being successful.
personally ,I have been cautious when out and about and being triple jabbed hasn’t made me suddenly decide to do things I haven’t been doing all along……
Unfortunately a lot of people are under the illusion that 3 jabs makes you invincible!!!!!!
@Baz posted:Normally I’d agree , but I don’t see why they would want to fiddle them though Kaytee …..they aren’t government stats , they are scientific ones I think . I hope you are right about them over egging things , but my gut tells me things are going to get very bad , very quickly this time .
I think they take positive tests…..but it could easily be contacts of positive tests before they take the PCR test which is more accurate…..there’s a cloudy area somewhere in the middle❤️
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Unfortunately a lot of people are under the illusion that 3 jabs makes you invincible!!!!!!
I think they’ve been warned that it’s 70% effective. …..if they choose to ignore that then they’re stark raving barmy
@Saint posted:I still struggle with people heeding gossip on the internet whilst ignoring doctors and medical experts worldwide
If there was a conspiracy then every nurse, health care worker, doctor, pharmaceutical employee and eminent professor of medicine would have to be in on it for the rest of their lives
Sorry Saint, but the medics and scientists don’t agree on anything….depends which one you choose to believe.
that’s entirely up to you but we aren’t being given a balanced view….I want to hear from both sides of the argument debate the issue….we might get somewhere then
@Saint posted:I still struggle with people heeding gossip on the internet whilst ignoring doctors and medical experts worldwide
If there was a conspiracy then every nurse, health care worker, doctor, pharmaceutical employee and eminent professor of medicine would have to be in on it for the rest of their lives
I’m with you Renton
@Baz posted:The London Mayor has apparently declared a major incident because of the soaring cases of Omicron in the city .
The mayor is a useless piece of work and jumps on every passing bandwagon…..he wants money because he’s made a mess of things and thinks coming out of the woodwork for the first time in months will get him both the cash and brownie points….cannot stand the man
Emergency cobra meeting at 5pm with leaders of all nations….. Apart from ONE….. The First Minister of England will not be attending and it will be chaired by Steve Barclay. Shabby.
another party during lockdown, wine and cheese, No 10 insists it was work...wonder what position Carrie Johnson holds in the government they all look really busy on their laptops, taking notes etc 
It's just ludicrous, does he really expect people to believe that? With his wife there and wine! Have any of us (or anyone we know) been at a business meeting Where there was wine - or any other type of alcohol? Tea, coffee or water perhaps, but not alcohol.
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:It's just ludicrous, does he really expect people to believe that? With his wife there and wine! Have any of us (or anyone we know) been at a business meeting Where there was wine - or any other type of alcohol? Tea, coffee or water perhaps, but not alcohol.
Takes some believing , eh
If it was an official meeting, they would be breaking the Official Secrets Act, Carrie was in attendance....I have never had a job where I could go outside for a meeting and drink at work, for the last 15 years of my working life I worked for the government!
@slimfern posted:Lockdown before or after Christmas do you think?
I have no idea Slim and neither does he. He'll probably wait until hospital staff and emergency services are so short of staff through self-isolating. I'm sure he will be asking advice from Wilfred or Dylan the dog, they appear to be going to work meetings with Carrie.
I guessed 28th, but it looks like 26th and 27th!
@Dame_Ann_Average posted:If it was an official meeting, they would be breaking the Official Secrets Act, Carrie was in attendance....I have never had a job where I could go outside for a meeting and drink at work, for the last 15 years of my working life I worked for the government!
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That's Oxford for ye
This is gonna hit. Do they give out degrees there? Looks like they do.
@velvet donkey posted:That's Oxford for ye
This is gonna hit. Do they give out degrees there? Looks like they do.
@slimfern posted:I heard on the radio that 90% of the covid hospital admissions were unvaccinated
Don't believe all you hear on the radio. Pre-planned excuse. This is covid - the revenge
@Baz posted:Over 106,000 cases reported today
The big London hospitals have said that 90% of cases are unvaccinated ……and they have Delta not the Omigod virus……consultants on intensive care …..not the bureaucracy
@Baz posted:As most of Europe is moving to increase restrictions , we , the country with the most cases , decide to decrease the isolation period ….go figure!
Decreasing it came from the scientists…Sage, if you believe them, said that isolation infection usually lasts 5 days from first catching it….so if you get a negative test on days 6 and 7…..you wouldn’t have a strong enough strength in the virus to pass it on…..
I'm starting to think Governments are expecting us to treat Covid like Influenza - you will get it and it will bump off many throughout the year, most will be the elderly (so that doesn't matter). Learn to live with it.
Now carry on
@Saint posted:I'm starting to think Governments are expecting us to treat Covid like Influenza - you will get it and it will bump off many throughout the year, most will be the elderly (so that doesn't matter). Learn to live with it.
Now carry on
That, I think, was the initial approach, but the impact was too great and so the government had to be seen to be seen to be doing 'something' to lessen the impact, especially when it became a global pandemic rather than a localised epidemic.
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:That, I think, was the initial approach, but the impact was too great and so the government had to be seen to be seen to be doing 'something' to lessen the impact, especially when it became a global pandemic rather than a localised epidemic.
I think it's the future - COVID will become like influenza - get your jab if you're over 50 or in a vulnerable group and that's it. Live with it - you'll all get it and build your own immunity (or die - but don't talk about that)
@Saint posted:I think it's the future - COVID will become like influenza - get your jab if you're over 50 or in a vulnerable group and that's it. Live with it - you'll all get it and build your own immunity (or die - but don't talk about that)
I agree that that is the most likely outcome. All I was meaning was that the 'Powers That Be' were hoping for a short route to that outcome instead of this protracted and circuitous route that we've ended up on!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:I agree that that is the most likely outcome. All I was meaning was that the 'Powers That Be' were hoping for a short route to that outcome instead of this protracted and circuitous route that we've ended up on!
I get ya
Snotty nosed District nurse visited today (dunno why they have a little Hitler mentality)
Asked her if she knew anyone who'd had COVID, she said, "Oh, loads"
Oh heck Renton .@Saint posted:
Fingers crossed Renton
What is wrong with people these days?
A little bit of disruption to our nice cosy/ cushy lives and we're up in arms!!!!!
Some people are living in circumstances where they have no choices and their 'normal' lives are nowhere near cosy and cushy!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:What is wrong with people these days?
A little bit of disruption to our nice cosy/ cushy lives and we're up in arms!!!!!
Some people are living in circumstances where they have no choices and their 'normal' lives are nowhere near cosy and cushy!
It's the 'I'm alright Jack...I have my rights' attitude that has been drip fed to society over the past two decades.
It's shown loud and proud when good deeds are given prime time on the news 
@Former Member posted:FL once again the epicenter of Omicron like it was with Delta. The governor, who has passed so many laws that prevent companies and counties from taking any preventative action because they compromise personal freedom, has gone silent. Combination of a selfish attitudes mixed with certain individuals politicizing the issue to promote their personal ambitions. Disgraceful.
I agree Roxan …..it’s very similar over here
@Former Member posted:FL once again the epicenter of Omicron like it was with Delta. The governor, who has passed so many laws that prevent companies and counties from taking any preventative action because they compromise personal freedom, has gone silent. Combination of a selfish attitudes mixed with certain individuals politicizing the issue to promote their personal ambitions. Disgraceful.
The sooner you come home the better
Covid: Workplaces told to plan for absences of up to 25%
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And a lot could well be avoided if the rules/guidance hadn't been torn up and thrown away!
@Baz posted:As most of Europe is moving to increase restrictions , we , the country with the most cases , decide to decrease the isolation period ….go figure!
Europe has now decided on 5 days…..well France and Germany have and they call the shots…….on the other hand I have a rellie sitting on his butt because his PCR is going to take a week to come back ….he needs it to go back to work because LFTs aren’t reliable allegedly
@Kaytee posted:Europe has now decided on 5 days…..well France and Germany have and they call the shots…….on the other hand I have a rellie sitting on his butt because his PCR is going to take a week to come back ….he needs it to go back to work because LFTs aren’t reliable allegedly
It’s all so bliddy arbitrary ….I know people who have had 6/7 days but are still testing positive ,so letting folks go back after 5 days is asking for trouble imo .