I thought Irish politics was mad when Bertie Aherne said he'd no bank account and explained the source of his mystery dosh was a win on the horses.
We Irish now proudly hand the baton over....
Dame_Ann_Average posted:Madame Arcati posted:Doesn't Gove's wife work for the Mail?
yep, she sent the email to the wrong person
I can't stop smiling at that Dame 
So far the only person coming out of the whole shenanigans with any air of doing what he feels is right for anyone other than himself is Jeremy Corbyn. Can't be easy sticking to his guns when everybody (except the people who elected him) seems to hate him.
I think there is a danger that one persons * sticking to his guns * can also be seen as another persons *just plain awkward* . Whatever the rights and wrongs of it ....once the dust settles ....he does have to take his MPs with him if he ever wants to lead the country . But he was never going to get my vote , so ......
So you're saying those MPs trying to oust him will deliberately vote against him out of spite despite the right and wrongs of the issue? If that's the case they're better out of positions of power surely?
Roger the Alien posted:Dame_Ann_Average posted:Madame Arcati posted:Doesn't Gove's wife work for the Mail?
yep, she sent the email to the wrong person
I can't stop smiling at that Dame
Update: Andrew Neil on This Week wondered was it a deliberate "mistake" then suggested another shady scenario, involving another player but I was too tired to recall who... David-Cunning-somebody-or-other?
Oh they're slippy 
Kaffs posted:So far the only person coming out of the whole shenanigans with any air of doing what he feels is right for anyone other than himself is Jeremy Corbyn. Can't be easy sticking to his guns when everybody (except the people who elected him) seems to hate him.
I think there is a danger that one persons * sticking to his guns * can also be seen as another persons *just plain awkward* . Whatever the rights and wrongs of it ....once the dust settles ....he does have to take his MPs with him if he ever wants to lead the country . But he was never going to get my vote , so ......
So you're saying those MPs trying to oust him will deliberately vote against him out of spite despite the right and wrongs of the issue? If that's the case they're better out of positions of power surely?
What I am really saying is that with 3/4 of his MPs supporting a vote for a no confidence in him , can he really garner enough support in parliament for what are essentially his far left policies ? Cos whether we like it or not it's easy to stick by your principles in opposition , it's quite another to uphold those principles once in power .....just ask the Lib Dems
How true is this?
I have just heard this on the radio...
Who actually was it who voted for us to join the EU or Common Market, as it was then?
Was it us the people or was it parliament ie MP's?
Damned if I can remember tbh 
According to the radio it was parliament, MP's, if I have heard it correct. No promises there
So theoretically it would have to be parliament ie MP's voting to take us out whatever the Brexit vote was?
What if there is a general election before Article 50 is evoked and the resulting government decided it wanted to stay in?
Parliament is sovereign. It's their decision.
At the risk of sounding like a cracked record.
Our parliament is sovereign, they could have decided to leave the EC two years ago if they wanted to. But the vast majority of MPs don't want to leave. If they had they would have left now.
The people are not sovereign, simply speaking they elect a government to take decisions on their behalf.
So there is all manner of messing about trying to retain the previous economic advantages whilst giving Brexit people the impression that we are leaving. Eventually our colleagues may lose patience, call a halt, and then we may really leave!!
I think the total chaos in both the main parties speaks quite a lot for us, as a country, having crossed a watershed towards a very different political climate. Time will tell.
I'm contributing much here but I just wanted to thank you all for posting because I find it very interesting reading
Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Thank you
Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Nice summing up
Perhaps we could have a referendum to decide whether or not we should have another referendum.
Cunning plan or what?
Moonie posted:Madame Arcati posted:Perhaps we could have a referendum to decide whether or not we should have another referendum.
Cunning plan or what?
Quite possibly the best suggestion to come out of this mess yet Joe
* cough* ....I think you will find that's^^^^^ Madame , Moonie 
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Baz posted:Moonie posted:Madame Arcati posted:Perhaps we could have a referendum to decide whether or not we should have another referendum.
Cunning plan or what?
Quite possibly the best suggestion to come out of this mess yet Joe
* cough* ....I think you will find that's^^^^^ Madame , Moonie
Yes!