Kaffs posted:

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I have just heard that dear old Boris is no longer going to be in the running for Tory party leader?

Yes , but at least it's a slightly more of a dignified transition than what is going on with the other side  

   As dignified as he can be having realised he's got the result he didn't really want and doesn't want to go down in history as being the guy who pulled the trigger on the Brexit disaster and has now been stabbed in the back by the guy who already stabbed his own mate in the back to help him try to nick his job.    Who says karma only gets you in the next life.   Yes, though, slightly more dignified than what the Labour MPs are doing to Jezza.

I meant the transition as a whole  , not just Boris per se  

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I have just heard that dear old Boris is no longer going to be in the running for Tory party leader?

Yes , but at least it's a slightly more of a dignified transition than what is going on with the other side  

It seems to me that both sides are forgetting to draw their guns before shooting themselves in theirs feet 

Moonie posted:

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I have just heard that dear old Boris is no longer going to be in the running for Tory party leader?

Yes , but at least it's a slightly more of a dignified transition than what is going on with the other side  

It seems to me that both sides are forgetting to draw their guns before shooting themselves in theirs feet 

So far the only person coming out of the whole shenanigans with any air of doing what he feels is right for anyone other than himself is Jeremy Corbyn.  Can't be easy sticking to his guns when everybody (except the people who elected him) seems to hate him.

Kaffs posted:

Moonie posted:

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I have just heard that dear old Boris is no longer going to be in the running for Tory party leader?

Yes , but at least it's a slightly more of a dignified transition than what is going on with the other side  

It seems to me that both sides are forgetting to draw their guns before shooting themselves in theirs feet 

So far the only person coming out of the whole shenanigans with any air of doing what he feels is right for anyone other than himself is Jeremy Corbyn.  Can't be easy sticking to his guns when everybody (except the people who elected him) seems to hate him.

I think there is a danger that  one persons * sticking to his guns * can also be seen as another persons *just plain awkward* . Whatever the rights and wrongs of it ....once the dust settles ....he  does have to take his MPs with him if he ever wants to lead the country .  But he was never going to get my vote , so ...... 

Department of utter joy!!

On the radio this morning our hapless MP pledged his support for Boris!

one less wanker in the frame

I went off House of Cards for being too far fetched  and frankly bonkers 

I take it all back now! 

What if Boris is playing the long game  ie sitting out the chaos until whatever hapless sod makes an [ inevitable ] mess of things as next P.M.? Then he'll offer his services?

I get them all mixed up  Is Theresa May the one who had the seccsy shoes?

 Roger the Alien posted:

I get them all mixed up  Is Theresa May the one who had the seccsy shoes?

 Yes

With friends like Gove .....

the reason why Boris isn't standing is because good old Rup doesn't like him 

I saw the original when it was leaked...

email that was leaked.

“Very important that we focus on the individual obstacles and thoroughly overcome them before moving to the next. I really think Michael needs to have a Henry or a Beth with him for this morning’s crucial meetings.

“One simple message: you MUST have SPECIFIC from Boris OTHERWISE you cannot guarantee your support. The details can be worked out later on, but without that you have no leverage.

“Crucially, the membership will not have the necessary reassurance to back Boris, neither will Dacre/Murdoch, who instinctively dislike Boris but trust your ability enough to support a Boris Gove ticket.

“Do not concede any ground. Be your stubborn best.

“GOOD LUCK.”

http://www.theguardian.com/pol...h-vine-dacre-murdoch

Yogi19 posted:

 Roger the Alien posted:

I get them all mixed up  Is Theresa May the one who had the seccsy shoes?

 Yes

Knew it! Ta yogi 

kattymieoww posted:

one less wanker in the frame

Roger the Alien posted:

Yogi19 posted:

 Roger the Alien posted:

I get them all mixed up  Is Theresa May the one who had the seccsy shoes?

 Yes

Knew it! Ta yogi 

 You're welcome, Rog 

Doesn't Gove's wife work for the Mail?

There's been so much back-stabbing and falling on swords going on that the House of Commons cleaners are going to have one hell of a job getting the blood out of the Axminster

Madame Arcati posted:

There's been so much back-stabbing and falling on swords going on that the House of Commons cleaners are going to have one hell of a job getting the blood out of the Axminster

velvet donkey posted:

Roger the Alien posted:

I get them all mixed up  Is Theresa May the one who had the seccsy shoes?

Yes   

  Easy there Velvet!!!

Madame Arcati posted:

Doesn't Gove's wife work for the Mail?

 

yep, she sent the email to the wrong person 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Madame Arcati posted:

Doesn't Gove's wife work for the Mail?

 

yep, she sent the email to the wrong person 

mind, what the hell she was doing in melted faces emails is beyond me 

I thought Irish politics was mad when Bertie Aherne said he'd no bank account and explained the source of his mystery dosh was a win on the horses.

We Irish now proudly hand the baton over....

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Madame Arcati posted:

Doesn't Gove's wife work for the Mail?

 

yep, she sent the email to the wrong person 

I can't stop smiling at that Dame 

Roger the Alien posted:

I thought Irish politics was mad when Bertie Aherne said he'd no bank account and explained the source of his mystery dosh was a win on the horses.

We Irish now proudly hand the baton over....

 

So far the only person coming out of the whole shenanigans with any air of doing what he feels is right for anyone other than himself is Jeremy Corbyn.  Can't be easy sticking to his guns when everybody (except the people who elected him) seems to hate him.

I think there is a danger that  one persons * sticking to his guns * can also be seen as another persons *just plain awkward* . Whatever the rights and wrongs of it ....once the dust settles ....he  does have to take his MPs with him if he ever wants to lead the country .  But he was never going to get my vote , so ...... 

So you're saying those MPs trying to oust him will deliberately vote against him out of spite despite the right and wrongs of the issue?  If that's the case they're better out of positions of power surely?

Roger the Alien posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Madame Arcati posted:

Doesn't Gove's wife work for the Mail?

 

yep, she sent the email to the wrong person 

I can't stop smiling at that Dame 

 Update: Andrew Neil on This Week wondered was it a deliberate "mistake" then suggested another shady scenario, involving another player but I was too tired to recall who... David-Cunning-somebody-or-other? 

Oh they're slippy  

I never believed you can "accidentally" sent an email to the "wrong" person 

There's more to this than meets the eye 

Kaffs posted:

 

So far the only person coming out of the whole shenanigans with any air of doing what he feels is right for anyone other than himself is Jeremy Corbyn.  Can't be easy sticking to his guns when everybody (except the people who elected him) seems to hate him.

I think there is a danger that  one persons * sticking to his guns * can also be seen as another persons *just plain awkward* . Whatever the rights and wrongs of it ....once the dust settles ....he  does have to take his MPs with him if he ever wants to lead the country .  But he was never going to get my vote , so ...... 

So you're saying those MPs trying to oust him will deliberately vote against him out of spite despite the right and wrongs of the issue?  If that's the case they're better out of positions of power surely?

What I am really saying is that with 3/4 of his MPs supporting a vote for a no confidence in him  , can he really garner enough support in parliament  for what are essentially his far left policies ? Cos whether we like it or not it's easy to stick by your principles in opposition , it's quite another to uphold those principles once in power .....just ask the Lib Dems  

How true is this?

I have just heard this on the radio...

Who actually was it who voted for us to join the EU or Common Market, as it was then?

Was it us the people or was it parliament ie MP's?

Damned if I can remember tbh 

According to the radio it was parliament, MP's, if I have heard it correct. No promises there

So theoretically it would have to be parliament ie MP's voting to take us out whatever the Brexit vote was?

What if there is a general election before Article 50 is evoked and the resulting government decided it wanted to stay in?

Parliament is sovereign. It's their decision.

Garage Joe posted:

Parliament is sovereign. It's their decision.

So Brexit doesn't necessarily mean Brexit yet then Joe?

At the risk of sounding like a cracked record. 

Our parliament is sovereign, they could have decided to leave the EC two years ago if they wanted to. But the vast majority of MPs don't want to leave. If they had they would have left now. 

The people are not sovereign, simply speaking they elect a government to take decisions on their behalf.

So there is all manner of messing about trying to retain the previous economic advantages whilst giving Brexit people the impression that we are leaving. Eventually our colleagues may lose patience, call a halt, and then we may really leave!!

I think the total chaos in both the main parties speaks quite a lot for us, as a country, having crossed a watershed towards a very different political climate. Time will tell. 

I'm contributing much here but I just wanted to thank you all for posting because I find it very interesting reading  

hope this helps 

http://thebrexitplan.com

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

hope this helps 

 

http://thebrexitplan.com

Thank you  

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

hope this helps 

 

http://thebrexitplan.com

  Nice summing up 

Perhaps we could have a referendum to decide whether or not we should have another referendum.

Cunning plan or what?

Madame Arcati posted:

Perhaps we could have a referendum to decide whether or not we should have another referendum.

 

Cunning plan or what?

Quite possibly the best suggestion to come out of this mess yet Joe

Moonie posted:

Madame Arcati posted:

Perhaps we could have a referendum to decide whether or not we should have another referendum.

 

Cunning plan or what?

Quite possibly the best suggestion to come out of this mess yet Joe

* cough* ....I think you will find that's^^^^^ Madame , Moonie ,

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

Madame Arcati posted:

Perhaps we could have a referendum to decide whether or not we should have another referendum.

 

Cunning plan or what?

Quite possibly the best suggestion to come out of this mess yet Joe

* cough* ....I think you will find that's^^^^^ Madame , Moonie ,

Yes!