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The scottish national party wish to divorce England because they no longer wish to be governed by westminster which I totally get & also think is a great thing that  the scottish people are given a choice & being listened to when it comes to the governing of their country, but what I do not understand is why I am as a member of UKIP wanting the same thing as the SNP & that is wanting Britain to rule itself & not be ruled by people I know nothing about & did not elect in  Brussels, is branded as racist? surely the SNP must be racist too by this logic, the SNP are anti English,( so they are racist ) & what astounds me is the fact that the SNP slag off UKIP & call us racists

( talk about the pot calling the kettle black ) be very careful SNP because European union don't want you & you will stand alone without the English pound & if you do become part of the failing EU you will inflict the mega failing monetary union disaster on your own people which I'm sure they will not thank you for, Anyway, to finish - it's a bit rich you calling UKIP racist when you want the same thing.

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Well, lets see.... SNP are not 'anti-English, they are  'anti-Westminster Government, whose only REAL concern is for London and its close environs'. If they were 'anti-English' then the referendum would be for Scottish-born people only, whereas it is for all residents of Scotland who are eligible to vote, regardless of there ethnic background and Scottish-born people who no longer live in Scotland will not have a vote.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Well, lets see.... SNP are not 'anti-English, they are  'anti-Westminster Government, whose only REAL concern is for London and its close environs'. If they were 'anti-English' then the referendum would be for Scottish-born people only, whereas it is for all residents of Scotland who are eligible to vote, regardless of there ethnic background and Scottish-born people who no longer live in Scotland will not have a vote.

UKIP is anti Brussels the same as SNP is anti westminster & I agree that the 

westminster bunch are a bunch of arseholes but we think the Brussels lot

are a bunch of arseholes too, we obviously disagree with the free movement

of cheap labour just one of the rules thrust upon us that we were never asked

our opinion on, The westminster Eton Elite have Thrust many rules onto the 

scottish people without a care the same as the Brussels idiots have done to Britain yet we are branded as racist by some in the SNP for wanting to break away from the EU the same way the SNP want to break away from westminster. 

I do agree with you though that westminster only give a damn about London & the south east. I hope scotland gets independence & does manage to join the EU & I pray that Britain leaves the EU then all the uncontrolled Immigration goes to scotland & the scottish people get a taste of what we have had to endure for the last ten years.

MK

There may be similarities, but UKIP and SNP do not want the same thing(s)!

 

UKIP want not only a 'Brussels free' UK, but something that borders on Ethnic cleansing'

 

SNP may want a Scotland that is in Europe, but why you should assume that they would 'knuckle under' in the same namby-pamby way of the Westminster government, I don't know. I can only imagine it is because you have no better understanding of the Scottish psyche than Westminster does.

 

As for uncontrolled imigration - if imigrants don't want to come to Scotland as part of the UK then why would they want to come to Scotland that's NOT part of the UK? And don't say it's because a UK that's not in Europe won't let them in, but a Scotland that's in Europe will, 'cos that won't wash. You have no better idea than the next man what sort of terms an independent Scotland might negotiate. It may come as a surprise to you, but there are areas in Scotland where imigration IS an issue!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

There may be similarities, but UKIP and SNP do not want the same thing(s)!

 

UKIP want not only a 'Brussels free' UK, but something that borders on Ethnic cleansing'

 

SNP may want a Scotland that is in Europe, but why you should assume that they would 'knuckle under' in the same namby-pamby way of the Westminster government, I don't know. I can only imagine it is because you have no better understanding of the Scottish psyche than Westminster does.

 

As for uncontrolled imigration - if imigrants don't want to come to Scotland as part of the UK then why would they want to come to Scotland that's NOT part of the UK? And don't say it's because a UK that's not in Europe won't let them in, but a Scotland that's in Europe will, 'cos that won't wash. You have no better idea than the next man what sort of terms an independent Scotland might negotiate. It may come as a surprise to you, but there are areas in Scotland where imigration IS an issue!

You obviously don't have an understanding of UKIP because there is no way

that I would support a party that borders on ethnic cleansing being that I am

of mixed race, my Mother is Jamaican & my Father is Irish, You have just done

exactly what I am complaining about & that is branding UKIP as a racist party,

please stop using this this old (You are racist) chestnut just because we want

to return to sensible controlled immigration & put the British people first

& to think that the SNP wouldn't 'knuckle under' to Brussels is with

respect - foolish because the SNP like westminster will have no powers or

control, You will be the puppets with your strings being pulled by Brussels

just the same way westminster is, You will not be able to do any negotiating

of terms in exactly the same way that David the referendum carrot dangling cameron can't, the SNP will have to do what it's told because Brussels run

the show in the EU & you know that.

let me end on the comment you made about me having no better understanding of the scottish Psyche than westminster does, well, I suspect

You have no understanding of the UKIP supporters Psyche, hence constantly

trying to brand us as racist because you have all lost the argument & you want

to shut us up & that's the only way you think you can, but that weak old tired

you are a racist card will never silence us so give it up.

MK

There have been one or two calls to brand Ukip a racist party, and some media debate about whether it is. But what’s become clear during the last fortnight is that there is a strong, cross-party consensus both that Ukip isn’t a ‘racist party’ – and that it must get better at keeping out individuals that hold racist views.

On debates such as the BBC’s Question Time, you can clearly see that this consensus has extended across the front and backbenches of the different parties. Just one or two MPs take a different view. Labour left-winger Diane Abbott told the BBC that she did not regard Ukip as racist but saw it as having US ‘tea party’ tendencies.

There are good reasons why the general public, the media and his political rivals treat Nigel Farage differently to Nick Griffin. Ukip does not have extremist roots. It was founded to get Britain out of Europe, a legitimate cause. But an anti-EU party which campaigns to end EU free movement will attract both legitimate voices for that cause, and those who have more virulent and toxic motives.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

I make points to consider - you spout assumptions like they were fact.

 

One last thing to ponder upon....Do you really think that if UKIP ever got controll of government it would stop at 'Controlled Immigration'?

You may make points to consider ( but really accusations )

& no assumptions, only facts, but give you & everybody else

the chance to deny the truth & find it highly amusing when

you squirm.

 

have pondered upon many times a UKIP ruled Britain & agree

with everything especially 'Controlled Immigration'

come on Fluffy, you know it makes sense to vote UKIP. 

MK
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

There have been one or two calls to brand Ukip a racist party, and some media debate about whether it is. But what’s become clear during the last fortnight is that there is a strong, cross-party consensus both that Ukip isn’t a ‘racist party’ – and that it must get better at keeping out individuals that hold racist views.

On debates such as the BBC’s Question Time, you can clearly see that this consensus has extended across the front and backbenches of the different parties. Just one or two MPs take a different view. Labour left-winger Diane Abbott told the BBC that she did not regard Ukip as racist but saw it as having US ‘tea party’ tendencies.

There are good reasons why the general public, the media and his political rivals treat Nigel Farage differently to Nick Griffin. Ukip does not have extremist roots. It was founded to get Britain out of Europe, a legitimate cause. But an anti-EU party which campaigns to end EU free movement will attract both legitimate voices for that cause, and those who have more virulent and toxic motives.

Yes, there are far more racist's in all the other party's but UKIP are 

being targeted because all the other party's are running scared at

the popular rise of UKIP & their last hope of shooting us down is to

brand us as racist, but their last desperate plan is failing & it is

highly amusing to UKIP supporters to watch them all try to deny

the obvious truth & fact that the EU is a complete disaster.

COME ON FLUFFY, YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE. 

MK
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Dianne Abbott now says UKIP are  racist because of today's little Fandango from Farage.

So, putting aside the 'racist/not racist' argument....do you REALLY want to be associated with such a bunch of 'foot-in-mouth'ers?

Fluffy, all the other party's are guilty of far more serious

crimes than Mr Farage not making it clear that what he meant

is - would we want a family of romanian (gypsies or criminals) etc

which there are (undeniably) many of, living next door to us, I

wouldn't & I bet you wouldn't if you were asked to be honest

about it, the fact is that the Romanians are the most guilty of ATM

theft & pick pocketing in London, that's a fact, we aren't getting

the good stuff from these country's, we are getting mainly cheap

labour, beggars & thieves ( FACT ) I don't know where you live?

but I live in London & it's an absolute disaster what has happened

here in London since Tony Blair opened up the borders & all the 

cheap labour, beggars & thieves came swarming into this tiny

Island of ours, a lot came to London, me & many other's

livelihoods were destroyed by cheap labour so don't bother

trying to put me off UKIP by saying - do I want to be associated

with such foot in mouther's etc cos you can bet your last pound

that I support UKIP 100% because they are the only party fighting

my corner, nothing you say will sway me Fluffy so let's just agree

to disagree.

 

 

MK

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