Is it just me, or is it a huge irony that the anti - racists amongst us have declared Ukraine to be a hot bed of Racist thuggery?
It xenohpbia run riot.
Has anyone here been to the Ukraine? is the whole nation uncivilised and backward?
I find that quite hard to believe tbh.
Mind you ,having watched the trailer for the documentary scheduled for tonight, if I were brown or black, I'd think twice before going.
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What documentary, and which channel?
And no I have never been to the Ukraine. Although I am a fan of the kiev.
I was watching BBC news and they trailed it on there.
That's all I know..
Theo Walcot's mum( I think he's a footballer) has told him not to go.
Which I think is why it was in the news.
Oh right, I've got the ITV news on. So I'm going to hazard a guess that it's going to be on a BBC channel.
BBC1 8.30 Panorama. Have set to record.
I think Sol Campbell has something to do with the documentary - I heard something on TV this morning.
It looked nasty on the trailer I saw, and can well believe it will put many off every going naywhere near Ukraine.
But the rational part of me says, that's rather like our home grown football thugs being plastered all over the news , beating people up and kicking the shit out of anyone in their way, and then applying that behaviour to the whole of the English , when the majority of the English were deeply ashamed of the thugs.
But the rational part of me says, that's rather like our home grown football thugs being plastered all over the news , beating people up and kicking the shit out of anyone in their way, and then applying that behaviour to the whole of the English , when the majority of the English were deeply ashamed of the thugs.
That's probably the more accurate version, because I'm pretty sure while some of the population of the Ukraine are indeed football thugs, the rest will be far too busy making porn movies to have time for any football thuggery. 
I'll have to watch the programme, but it does sound like some countries have the same problem that we had in the seventies.
As someone who had a Ukrainian partner and has a few Ukrainian friends, I am probably better placed than most to comment. The Ukrainian people I know or have met were certainly not racist, but do tend to be more conservative in their attitudes than a similar British person.
When I went to Ukraine, my girlfriend was as bemused as I was by the 'White Power' graffiti we spotted in her local town. It was particularly bizarre as there were no non-whites living in the area and I saw very few even in the capital Kiev. My understanding is that disenfranchised young men are drawn to nationalism (just as some are in this country) and in ex-Soviet countries many long for the authoritarianism of communism, but as this is now officially dead, they have turned to fascism instead, forming links and adopting the ideology and slogans of the Western-European far-right.
I just watched the programme, some horrendous stuff... it happens in alot of places around Europe, but some are better at dealing with or controlling it than others. That nonsense with fans fighting at the end wouldn't happen over here or some of the major countries around Europe, police are good at keeping that stuff at a low.... from what i've read, Ukraine are not good at dealing with it. But hey, that's Sepp Blatter for you
I had hoped that would be the case kimota, and one can understand the conservatism too.
although i have to agree with mincepie man the authorities really need to get a grip of the situation and be far less tolerant towards the thugs.
