Right, I'm off to claim mine then!

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Originally posted by pussycatj:
article by Andy McNab in yesterday's Sun.

'If parents aren't taking their role seriously they need to be stripped of any benefits or privileges. Threaten them with eviction from from their Council Home and cancellation of child benefit and they will soon sharpen up their act.'

So all naughty parents and children live in Council Homes

It doesn't add up on several levels. But seriously, The Sun?

Is this the SAS bloke?

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So all naughty parents and children live in Council Homes

Of course. My mum was a single parent who moved into my gran's council house with me when her marriage to my dad (who I never saw again) broke down.

It's a wonder I'm neither in jail, parent to a feral tribe nor living on benefits, alcopops and chicken nuggets, really.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Is this the SAS bloke?

Yes, it says something about SAS hero who was care home orphan.

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
It's a wonder I'm neither in jail, parent to a feral tribe nor living on benefits, alcopops and chicken nuggets, really.

You just haven't been caught yet!

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Is this the SAS bloke?

Indeed! They learn childcare at Hereford.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
It's a wonder I'm neither in jail, parent to a feral tribe nor living on benefits, alcopops and chicken nuggets, really.

You just haven't been caught yet!

That's right. No-one's bothered enough to investigate. Too much trouble to get past all the rusting cars on the front yard or the pitbulls, Satan and Asteroth.

Andy Mc-bloody-Nab. It's not even his real name. Since when is some anonymous author of crap books suddenly an authority on "broken Britain"?

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
It's a wonder I'm neither in jail, parent to a feral tribe nor living on benefits, alcopops and chicken nuggets, really.

You just haven't been caught yet!

That's right. No-one's bothered enough to investigate. Too much trouble to get past all the rusting cars on the front yard or the pitbulls, Satan and Asteroth.

Andy Mc-bloody-Nab. It's not even his real name. Since when is some anonymous author of crap books suddenly an authority on "broken Britain"?

absolutely toidy, made me feel like that too

so basically he should say "dont take the kids away...punish the parents and the kids instead by making them homeless and in poverty"

makes sense dunnit

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:
so basically he should say "dont take the kids away...punish the parents and the kids instead by making them homeless and in poverty"

makes sense dunnit

... and then send the SAS in to sort 'em out

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Originally posted by pussycatj:
absolutely toidy, made me feel like that too

The bloke obviously hasn't sold many books recently. Bliddy plank.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Is this the SAS bloke?

Indeed! They learn childcare at Hereford.

Yes, wonderful isn't it.

Taking what he said aside, he has highlighted an area which should be looked at. Parents should be held responsible for their children up to a certain age.

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Originally posted by luxor:
Taking what he said aside, he has highlighted an area which should be looked at. Parents should be held responsible for their children up to a certain age.

Course they should. But making parents homeless, or assuming all trouble-makers come from council houses, isn't the answer.

of course they dont!
but a fair majority of them do-so if youre gonna make that kind of statement you have to include everyone who's kid is making other peoples lives a misery
so what should we do with the kids whose parents own their own property?
cos i seriously believe the only way to clamp down on these little shits is to come down heavy on their parents
nothing else is working

or am i wrong..?
again..

ps-my answer would be to take away the kids luxury (sp) items ie games consoles, phones etc and IF they still played up, remove the parents luxury items
sky tv, phones, large LCD tv's etc..

or is that against human rights..?

ie..my kid can make your life a living nightmare-but you cant blame me..?

i dunno

I often find that context is a marvelous concept, so a link to the full article would be nice, rather than just the controversial snippet.

I blame the parents. And possibly teachers.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I blame the parents. And possibly teachers.

And the teachers' parents.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I blame the parents. And possibly teachers.

And the teachers' parents.

and the teachers' parents' teachers

I'm inclined to look a bit sideways at the school caretaker too.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I'm inclined to look a bit sideways at the school caretaker too.

Our caretaker used to look sideways at us.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I'm inclined to look a bit sideways at the school caretaker too.

Our caretaker used to look sideways at us.

Well, exactly. Stigmatised from an early age! No wonder kids have gone feral.

if this country has got any chance of reclaiming the country back from the feral (sp)youth and the feral parents (and lets face it-nowadays its a case of kids giving birth to kids)
i suggest we get a petition going and send it to 10 d(r)owning street
saying
'if your kids play up..
we WILL piss on their playstaions-and we'll break in your house to do it'
and if it causes them misery..?
so what!
let 'em know what its like to be upset when someone violates you

I blame teachers who wear hoodies. You know who you are.

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Originally posted by charmer:
'if your kids play up..
we WILL piss on their playstaions-and we'll break in your house to do it'

Make sure you unplug them first.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by charmer:
'if your kids play up..
we WILL piss on their playstaions-and we'll break in your house to do it'

Make sure you unplug them first.

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Originally posted by disley21:
I often find that context is a marvelous concept, so a link to the full article would be nice, rather than just the controversial snippet.

Have been trying to find a link, but can't.

p.s. Are you always in such a good mood?

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Originally posted by pussycatj:
article by Andy McNab in yesterday's Sun.

'If parents aren't taking their role seriously they need to be stripped of any benefits or privileges. Threaten them with eviction from from their Council Home and cancellation of child benefit and they will soon sharpen up their act.'

So all naughty parents and children live in Council Homes

Unfortunately a vast majority of them do - that however is not to say that all people living in council houses are bad parents - that is not the case!!

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

quote:

Originally posted by pussycatj:
article by Andy McNab in yesterday's Sun.

'If parents aren't taking their role seriously they need to be stripped of any benefits or privileges. Threaten them with eviction from from their Council Home and cancellation of child benefit and they will soon sharpen up their act.'

So all naughty parents and children live in Council Homes

Unfortunately a vast majority of them do - that however is not to say that all people living in council houses are bad parents - that is not the case!!

Yup, very much a sweeping generalisation there PP

I witnessed an obnoxious brat only last week Kicking people.Mother said in a gentle voice."It'll be the naughty step for you when you get home".
I'm sorry a clout round the ear at the time would have spoken volumes.

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Originally posted by pussycatj:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by pussycatj:
article by Andy McNab in yesterday's Sun.

'If parents aren't taking their role seriously they need to be stripped of any benefits or privileges. Threaten them with eviction from from their Council Home and cancellation of child benefit and they will soon sharpen up their act.'

So all naughty parents and children live in Council Homes

Unfortunately a vast majority of them do - that however is not to say that all people living in council houses are bad parents - that is not the case!!

Yup, very much a sweeping generalisation there PP

How is that a generalisation???

It is a fact that the levels of anti social behaviour on council estates is higher than other areas - obv like with everything there are exceptions to that rule but on the whole the council esatates are the worst hit!!

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by pussycatj:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by pussycatj:
article by Andy McNab in yesterday's Sun.

'If parents aren't taking their role seriously they need to be stripped of any benefits or privileges. Threaten them with eviction from from their Council Home and cancellation of child benefit and they will soon sharpen up their act.'

So all naughty parents and children live in Council Homes

Unfortunately a vast majority of them do - that however is not to say that all people living in council houses are bad parents - that is not the case!!

Yup, very much a sweeping generalisation there PP

How is that a generalisation???

It is a fact that the levels of anti social behaviour on council estates is higher than other areas - obv like with everything there are exceptions to that rule but on the whole the council esatates are the worst hit!!

I was agreeing with you and actually talking about McNabb's contributions.

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Originally posted by pussycatj:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by pussycatj:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by pussycatj:
article by Andy McNab in yesterday's Sun.

'If parents aren't taking their role seriously they need to be stripped of any benefits or privileges. Threaten them with eviction from from their Council Home and cancellation of child benefit and they will soon sharpen up their act.'

So all naughty parents and children live in Council Homes

Unfortunately a vast majority of them do - that however is not to say that all people living in council houses are bad parents - that is not the case!!

Yup, very much a sweeping generalisation there PP

How is that a generalisation???

It is a fact that the levels of anti social behaviour on council estates is higher than other areas - obv like with everything there are exceptions to that rule but on the whole the council esatates are the worst hit!!

I was agreeing with you and actually talking about McNabb's contributions.

In that case i apologise - just mis-read your reply!!

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Originally posted by Bojangles:
I witnessed an obnoxious brat only last week Kicking people.Mother said in a gentle voice."It'll be the naughty step for you when you get home".
I'm sorry a clout round the ear at the time would have spoken volumes.

yes, it would have said

"this is how you hit people, much better than kicking someone son"

sorry but violence doesn't stop violence

mind you...nor does waiting till you get home for a timeout

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by pussycatj:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by pussycatj:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

quote:

Originally posted by pussycatj:
article by Andy McNab in yesterday's Sun.

'If parents aren't taking their role seriously they need to be stripped of any benefits or privileges. Threaten them with eviction from from their Council Home and cancellation of child benefit and they will soon sharpen up their act.'

So all naughty parents and children live in Council Homes

Unfortunately a vast majority of them do - that however is not to say that all people living in council houses are bad parents - that is not the case!!

Yup, very much a sweeping generalisation there PP

How is that a generalisation???

It is a fact that the levels of anti social behaviour on council estates is higher than other areas - obv like with everything there are exceptions to that rule but on the whole the council esatates are the worst hit!!

I was agreeing with you and actually talking about McNabb's contributions.

In that case i apologise - just mis-read your reply!!

no problem

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

quote:

Originally posted by Bojangles:
I witnessed an obnoxious brat only last week Kicking people.Mother said in a gentle voice."It'll be the naughty step for you when you get home".
I'm sorry a clout round the ear at the time would have spoken volumes.

yes, it would have said

"this is how you hit people, much better than kicking someone son"

sorry but violence doesn't stop violence

mind you...nor does waiting till you get home for a timeout

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Originally posted by pussycatj:

quote:

Originally posted by Darthhoob:

quote:

Originally posted by Bojangles:
I witnessed an obnoxious brat only last week Kicking people.Mother said in a gentle voice."It'll be the naughty step for you when you get home".
I'm sorry a clout round the ear at the time would have spoken volumes.

yes, it would have said

"this is how you hit people, much better than kicking someone son"

sorry but violence doesn't stop violence

mind you...nor does waiting till you get home for a timeout

dont get me wrong, i've have smacked (before i knew my son has an ASD), and i have been smacked...i've also been beaten so know the difference...i was brought up to see smacking as the only way of punishing.
but to clout someone round the ear only tells kids that if you are stressed/anxious/angry...it is ok to inflict pain on someone

my son started doing it when he felt troubled...which was alot. so i nipped it in the bud and went to some parenting classes instead...learnt how to manage behaviour a bit better. some of it worked (some didn't till i learnt he had a an ASD and went to parenting classes for that). rewards...or taking something away they like as a punishment worked much better than smacking his bum ever did....not to mention me smacking him scared him (still gets scared when i shout )

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by pussycatj:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by Bojangles:
I witnessed an obnoxious brat only last week Kicking people.Mother said in a gentle voice."It'll be the naughty step for you when you get home".
I'm sorry a clout round the ear at the time would have spoken volumes.

yes, it would have said

"this is how you hit people, much better than kicking someone son"

sorry but violence doesn't stop violence

mind you...nor does waiting till you get home for a timeout

dont get me wrong, i've have smacked (before i knew my son has an ASD), and i have been smacked...i've also been beaten so know the difference...i was brought up to see smacking as the only way of punishing.
but to clout someone round the ear only tells kids that if you are stressed/anxious/angry...it is ok to inflict pain on someone

my son started doing it when he felt troubled...which was alot. so i nipped it in the bud and went to some parenting classes instead...learnt how to manage behaviour a bit better. some of it worked (some didn't till i learnt he had a an ASD and went to parenting classes for that). rewards...or taking something away they like as a punishment worked much better than smacking his bum ever did....not to mention me smacking him scared him (still gets scared when i shout )

I can honestly say I have never hit my 4 kids, I have wanted to and by god they deserved it! but together, me and OH have a good way of calming each other down and manage to actually talk to them, which believe me bores them to bloody tears, and they eventually realise they are not going to get what they want. I too was smacked, and my parents still say that my kids could do with a good hiding, in my books its ignorance. What is so right about an adult hitting a child, a feeling of power! or just plain stupidity. A friend of mine has had her daughter taken into care because of her destructive nature, and believe me the father has beaten her, her other 3 kids and my friend. Violence does lead to more violence, that's all some of these kids know. (they don't live in a council house btw).

Well done hoobs for realising the problem, shame there are not more like you in this awful world.