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Dave just eff right off.

Steve does not need your voodoo. In fact, if anyone in the history of BB had ever deserved a slap, you did right there 

You can lay your sweaty paws on Steve's "nubs" (what kind of word is nubs btw?) as much as you like, they won't grow back, and further more why presume he even WANTS "healing"?

Why presume (becasue you are friggin' prejudiced that's why) he must want to be made "whole" or whatever claptrap you think.  How do you know he isn't happy as Larry JUST as he is?  He seems happy doesn't he?  Why does he have to fit into your world view of what's "normal"?

DIVERSITY Dave, it's a good word. Better than any of the crap you spout.

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OMG! Did he just come out with that claptrap?
yes, he informed Dave (not asked, but TOLD him) that he was going to get his hands on Steve's "nubs" so they would grow.

Steve (imo looked uncomfortable) and said "I think that's even beyond God's abilities" and laughed.

Dave said anything was possible and he was going to do it.

Why does Steve have to change who and what he is to fit Dave's world view?

How about Dave just stops being a disabilist numpty and accepts Steve exactly the way he is.  And maybe society should adapt to disabilities instead of voodoo crap "healing" and Steve changing (in some parallel universe in Dave's head) to fit in.
Leccy
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That's unfortunate...he obviously does not accept God's Will (like it tell him to in the very famous Lord's Prayer)
I'm not a believer but I have every respect for those with faith. If Dave said he would pray to help Steve cope with his disabilities I'd have no problem with that...or if he said he would pray for society to be more accepting, I'd have thought that was sweet and touching.

But like you say, why can't he accept that maybe it's God's will that Steve is disabled, for whatever reasons...Presumably he believes "thy will be done"

Mr L has just turned the air blue here
Leccy
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why can't he accept that maybe it's God's will that Steve is disabled, for whatever reasons...Presumably he believes "thy will be done"

Maybe he believes he's channelling God's will to heal him or something?  Ostensibly ridiculously egocentric to reckon you're some God's agent on Earth but not really unknown I guess.  
bateman
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Maybe he believes he's channelling God's will to heal him or something? Ostensibly ridiculously egocentric to reckon you're some God's agent on Earth but not really unknown I guess.
That's exactly what he thinks, like he's a conduit for God or summat...but that's not the point.  I wanted to have a SHOUTY rant at him!

I've got no problem with him preaching or anything, I know it's a duty to "spread the Good News" and all that...but implying that Steve is "wrong" and needs "fixing" pushes my buttons.
Leccy
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Maybe he believes he's channelling God's will to heal him or something?  Ostensibly ridiculously egocentric to reckon you're some God's agent on Earth but not really unknown I guess
Yeah...that makes rational and empirical sense both at the same time...which can't be right because they are diametrically opposed. For example, if we take the Cartesian circle as a starting point, we can assume that (all things being equal) that a sentient being in full acknowledgement of their own faculties would in an ideal world presume that all things are possible in the known universe. In short, the dude in Big Brother using an hypothesis based on faith and outmoded belief systems. So in the final analysis, the Friar Dave out of Big Brother 2010 is talking out of his arse....and I'm gonna give myself a  and take a bow 
suzybean
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Yeah...that makes rational and empirical sense both at the same time...which can't be right because they are diametrically opposed. For example, if we take the Cartesian circle as a starting point, we can assume that (all things being equal) that a sentient being in full acknowledgement of their own faculties would in an ideal world presume that all things are possible in the known universe. In short, the dude in Big Brother using an hypothesis based on faith and outmoded belief systems. So in the final analysis, the Friar Dave out of Big Brother 2010 is talking out of his arse....and I'm gonna give myself a and take a bow
Reading that was dead sexy. I love words
Leccy
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Leccy.... when he said that I though 'WTF? What sort of thing is that to say...' but the programme moved on and I didn't quite think through exactly why I found it so 'wrong'. You articulated it perfectly.
Well I didn't think I did a very good job of expressing it, if I'd been less wound up and had more time I might have been able to get it across better, but I'm glad you understood and thanks
Leccy
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Yeah...that makes rational and empirical sense both at the same time...which can't be right because they are diametrically opposed. For example, if we take the Cartesian circle as a starting point, we can assume that (all things being equal) that a sentient being in full acknowledgement of their own faculties would in an ideal world presume that all things are possible in the known universe. In short, the dude in Big Brother using an hypothesis based on faith and outmoded belief systems. So in the final analysis, the Friar Dave out of Big Brother 2010 is talking out of his arse....and I'm gonna give myself a and take a bow

That doesn't actually make sense.  Could you rewrite it? 
bateman
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 I might be wrong but didn't Dave say he was going to 'get drunk one night' and lay hands on his nubs?
A little O/T, and I'm probably being a bit slow here, but can anyone confirm/deny that Dave drinks?
Dave is a recovered alcoholic (and recovered drug addict too). Now, I'm fully aware that it doesn't necessarily follow, but I thought Dave was now teetotal?
Eugene's Lair
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I might be wrong but didn't Dave say he was going to 'get drunk one night' and lay hands on his nubs? It was a shocker either way. Dave and JJ, something very much amiss with both of them.

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A little O/T, and I'm probably being a bit slow here, but can anyone confirm/deny that Dave drinks? Dave is a recovered alcoholic (and recovered drug addict too). Now, I'm fully aware that it doesn't necessarily follow, but I thought Dave was now teetotal?
Dave no longer drinks alcohol, but he does belong to a group of Christians who claim to be able to get drunk and high from God's Spirit.  They laugh hysterically claiming to be drunk on God's love.  There are youtube vids of them "snorting" a Crucifix and Bible passages.

Dave runs a festival called Sloshfest where revellers get intoxicated on the Holy Spirit...

Or mass hysteria, as sane folks call it

If I were a Christian (which I'm not) I would find it very distasteful, actually.
Leccy
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Dave no longer drinks alcohol, but he does belong to a group of Christians who claim to be able to get drunk and high from God's Spirit. They laugh hysterically claiming to be drunk on God's love.
Ah, right - thanks. I was aware of his "drunk on the Holy Spirit" comments, but I thought it was just a phrase - I didn't realize he claimed to actually experience a physical effect...
Eugene's Lair
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Dave no longer drinks alcohol, but he does belong to a group of Christians who claim to be able to get drunk and high from God's Spirit
Thanks, I forgot he was always going on about being drunk on God and thought it was a really odd thing to say. Not that he should be talking about Steve's disability that way anyway, the twat.
Prometheus
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Dave no longer drinks alcohol, but he does belong to a group of Christians who claim to be able to get drunk and high from God's Spirit.  They laugh hysterically claiming to be drunk on God's love.  There are youtube vids of them "snorting" a Crucifix and Bible passages.

Dave runs a festival called Sloshfest where revellers get intoxicated on the Holy Spirit...

Or mass hysteria, as sane folks call it

If I were a Christian (which I'm not) I would find it very distasteful, actually.

Sounds like a load of bollox to me Lecs
SazBomb
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Why not just take it in the same light-hearted manner that Steve did? Maybe i am asking for miracles now!
Because this kind of disabilist attitude pervades wider society and it's something that shouldn't be tolerated.

Would you think it appropriate for him to pray to "cure" Mario's homosexuality, or pray for Ife to have white skin?  Quite rightly homophobia and racism are not tolerated by sensible and rational people, I see no reason why disablism should be

It should be flagged up when we see it otherwise how will we educate people and stamp it out?
Leccy
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The scar's always hurt..but that is the stupidest thing to say, the man is a crack pot...
Yes, and I suspect he probably has a lot of other aches and pains too just from the mechanics of walking and using a stick.

Like I said if he said "Steve, mind if I pray for help for you to cope" or even give thanks for how well Steve does cope I'd have been ok with that.  It is overlooking the obvious hard work Steve has put in but it's not so bad.
Leccy
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Yes, and I suspect he probably has a lot of other aches and pains too just from the mechanics of walking and using a stick. Like I said if he said "Steve, mind if I pray for help for you to cope" or even give thanks for how well Steve does cope I'd have been ok with that. It is overlooking the obvious hard work Steve has put in but it's not so bad.
He's a fecking muppet and I can see Nathan seeing his arse very soon with all his shoite..I saw Steve trying to talk to him over coping with his memories, Dave did'nt have a genuine piece of empathy for him....
stonks
Hmmn no matter how much I say I  can't tolerate relgious claptrap etc.I was at my old uncles funeral on Friday(Catholic service)..of course I  was mourning etc, known him  in my life over 50 years ,but when the choir starting singing the funeral hymm I just lost it and blubbed."Bring him home.Lord".See that's what being raised a Catholic does,you can kick and rebel all you like etc,but in the end they still get ya!
kattymieoww
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Hmmn no matter how much I say I can't tolerate relgious claptrap etc.I was at my old uncles funeral on Friday(Catholic service)..of course I was mourning etc, known him in my life over 50 years ,but when the choir starting singing the funeral hymm I just lost it and blubbed."Bring him home.Lord".See that's what being raised a Catholic does,you can kick and rebel all you like etc,but in the end they still get ya!

I think I'm what you call an Atheist For Jesus
Leccy
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It will obviously make no sense as you have already declared (about 15 to 100 times) that you are not watching this final Big Brother, and that you only here because you are a bored and feisty jobless biatch

Nooo, it actually just didn't make sense.  I'm sure you'll see that .  It looked like it contained the kernels of some interesting ideas but since a number of the sentences were jumbled and a number of the thoughts were obviously mixed up in expression it was impossible to work out what you were actually trying to say - beyond the simplistic and obvious.

I was interested in the thoughts and ideas.  Watching or not watching Big Brother didn't really come into it. 
bateman
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Yeeeeeeeeeees yes I did..........I hope no-one though otherwise, and if they did thank you for bringing it up........I think
Sorry, I'm not really with it, trying to figure out what's going on on live feed.

Ooh does he now Blizz, hmmm, so if I have a sneaky voddy, I can say it's God's spirit and not a distilled alcoholic beverage.  D'ya reckon it would hold up in court (I don't drive btw, no worries pedestrians )
Leccy
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It should be flagged up when we see it otherwise how will we educate people and stamp it out?
Interesting that Dave's opinion of Steve as a national treasure is not flagged-up or mentioned in context with what we saw overall on the HL show... as ever an unbalanced and entirely negative appraisal.


I think Dave talks utter bollocks but I do like his friendship with Steve and his intensions towards him do seem warm and genuine.

 

 

 

 

 

Cold Sweat
I saw it.







It was insensitive, rude and arrogant to say the least.  I dont care how far 'out there' he might be, after that little turn out he deserves a good rant, and how Steve didnt tell him to shove it up his arse I dont know.







There's belief, then there's bonkers.  I now think he's just bonkers, and not in a good way, which is shame, cos I love a loony.
ikataili

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