I'm just hanging in there by the skin of my teeth Bunny, if they don't back down over live feed I'm afraid my Big Brother days are over  

Mr Ford's a twonk, why on earth would hardcore BB fans want to watch 40 minutes of highly edited highlights and like you it wouldn't attract me to programme on Channel 5. I only ever watch CSI on 5 and did so before CBB started. 

Doesn't look like we have much hope of Live Feed for normal BB then   with such alot of Hms in the normal BB you'd never be able too keep up with whats going off

I was reading his comments and thinking ok if you insist there is going to be no live feed then at least pay for some decent editors cos last night I couldn't make head nor tail of why the house are all against Pamela. .they've not shown anything she has done that the HM's are complaining about..well not anything that makes sense anyway.. ie actions followed by the reactions to show what she's up to that is annoying them, with Live feed at least we'd have a bit of a clue

I think maybe only 2 shows so far have made sense from start to finish. .the rest are just a complete muddle of unconnected crap . .or the Jedward cbeebies show

he/they really dont understand our need to get the complete picture not base our support and backing to the highly edited few measly minutes they are giving us the privy of 

I cant even run the clips/vids published on the web site as my rural slow connection just cogs most of the time and TBH that again is what they want us to see 

least with CH4 and the various sources we between us were able to paint the complete picture and with the LUT fill in any edited gaps ........  *sighs*  those were the days 

I watched opening night & then tried to watch the first highlights show. But it just irked me that much that I haven't tuned back in & won't be. We don't get to form our own opinions therefore the whole BB experiment is a FAILURE.

TBH I don't really give a toss whether there's live feed or not....I've not got either the time or the inclination to watch it anyway....and there was no live feed for series one and that got enough people hooked.

And Olly, I can understand the Pamela loathing by the rest of them cos she is a massive away with the fairies pain in the arse!

The Oracle has spoken!!

Best lineup ever!! What is he on?

They seem to be mostly lower than zelebdom randomers culled from other reality shows - or mouthy people famous for being twats - or both.

And this twonk is director of programming! Heaven help us

Wasn't series one on E4 for most of the day and evening though? I'm sure I remember them setting up E4 just so they could run continual footage.

I may be remembering wrong I admit

I don't remember watching any live feed for BB1....

You could be right Croc, I deffo remember it being on E4 continuously for BB2, they used to have a choice of 4 different views on the red button

Just found this snippet....

The first series was mainly viewed by the daily highlights programme. The only un-edited footage available was a largely inaccessible, poor quality (compared with later series) streaming internet video

The internet live feed for BB1, however small in terms of viewers or low quality, was a key ingredient in the series IMO, its what got everyone talking when the whole Nasty Nick episode went on. As it happened, word went round - radio stations were talking about it, I remember Chris Moyles commenting that he was seeing something big going down in the BB house on his afternoon show.

I heard all about it and couldn't wait to see the highlights that night.

It doesn't matter who sees the live feed, they will tell others, and the live action is documented. That's what's important for me. I like to see some of the live feed when I can, but for this show to be called Big Brother, we should be able to access the housemates whenever we want.

Saying "We could have done live feed if we wanted to, we've moved on from watching people sleeping" is a massive 'F*** YOU' to the loyal fans and shows little respect for the original concept.

I tried again last night with the highlight show, but didn't understand the issue with the cigarettes, or how nasty some HMs were being towards Pamela about the beds.

We need to be able to see the context in these situations for ourselves, because the idiots editing this show aren't giving it to us!!

that's how I watched the first 3 BB's cos I only had analogue cable TV so no red button or E4. and then they started charging for the Internet feed too. .it was really expensive  so I used to read the LUT to keep up.. then it got really cheap so I subscribed and also went digital and finally had the red button.. , joined the forum and for some mad reason started LUTting too

I think I've missed out on the main Pamela stuff ... probs cos am not that into it. .can see she is ditsy but they've not shown enough of her 'bad' bits to warrant the high levels of hate they all seem to have for her. .was the same with the Darren hate too. .not showing what it is he does to annoy them. . just a few comments form half pissed HM that make no sense..

I think if I hadn't had access to any live feed I doubt I'd have stayed a fan for all these yrs. .I truly can't see how I would have stuck with the main show on just weeks of HL's alone.. plus of a weekend when the TV is crap it was nice to have it running on the background. . and in the early days I was on the last legs of my degree so had it on as white noise while studying... tis also great to be in on the action when the rows start too..  the best bit was reading the forum and seeing a thread saying it's all kicking off and tuning in, if I had turned off, to watch it in all it's glory

May be it's me being all old and grouchy (don't all rush to agree)    I get the feeling that C5 want to take BB away from it's core watchers which by and large are around 30+ age group.

It seems as if they are wanting to attract a 'younger social networking type viewer' and without trying to insult peoples intelligence, the younger generation seem to be happy with being spoon fed information and the smaller the chunks that they have to engage with the better.  Now before you all jump on me, I know not all youngsters are like this but a fair few prefer not to have to put too much work their watching habits.  In some ways I feel this is an import from the States.  This is why Twitter and the odd snippets on the C5 FB page suffice for them.  If anyone, C5 included, told me the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and check just to make sure.  And yes I'm making a lot of assumptions here.

Even if you didn't like watching LF - a fair few people would read the LUT pages which gave an astounding amount of information about which we could form an opinion.  Then there were the many threads where people could 'debate' and I use that word loosely  about how they'd seen things differently than that to what the HL programme had portrayed.  This celeb version for me has fallen very flat. 

I have the right of access to the C5 snippets and Twitter but I felt cheated that I wasn't getting enough information so feel it's not worth bothering.  Yes there's a lot of us more mature viewers that are quite technologically advanced but I'd still think LF should have been included in the package to give an all round viewing package.  Half the fun for me was deciphering what was happening before my own eyes.

I guess what I'm clumsily trying to say is that the odd picture, video clippet and poor footage from the HL show is C5 dictating what it feels is relevant rather than my being able to make up my own mind.  If Twitter and C5 BB FB page plus HLs is enough, fair play to you, but surely all BB viewers should have been considered including those that feel LF is an integral part of the BB experience???

*waddles off to continue being old and grouchy*  and if I've offended anyone I'm sorry and it is unintentional 

 *waddles off behind Pengy and joins the old and grouchy crowd*

tags along as well. . 

joins conga line

*grabs hold*

ROFL There seem to a lot us  grouchies around..

*adds costumes to make us look inconspicuous*   

yep deffo innit <trying to sound younger

oh we look very 'Priscilla'

Who's Priscilla.....?? Is she in  the House?  

See I'm technologically inept ^ look at the mess I made up there 

Priscilla has come out of the desert in protest at no LF 

actually now it's posted it looks OK - as you were people nothing to see move along, move along 

Queen of the Desert - see just a different colour

Exactly. It was the LF - and especially BB's ill-advised pulling of it when they panicked because they thought the house was going to kick off - that made BB's reputation.

Loads of people who had been paying lip-service to the series as a whole, never mind the LF, suddenly started talking about it at work and suchlike. The fuss was so massive that C4 had to rush out a special episode covering Nick's trial.

another grouchie here 

*joins Pengy's conga*

Well, yes: but remember that Priscilla was actually the bus...

I don't care as long as I get to be Felicia

lots of grouchies and I thought I was going to be the only one 

As if

 Hope I'm not tooo late to tag along!

Pengy for the BB production Team!  - Then we'd get the REAL BB Experience! 

I discovered the C4 Forum by reading the LUT and was addicted for a couple of years before i was brave enough to actually join.  It's the little things that fascinate, and give us insight - not possible without 24h Live Feed.

Hoochie   are you back from your hollibobs or are you still enjoying yourself in the sun?  Good to see you 

 Still in Rome Pengy .....hubby is having a siesta and I'm applying fake tan and cutting my hair - not easy walking around a place like this at my age and weight with all the young lovelies and their short shorts reminding you of what will never come again 

away with you woman - you looked gawjuss on that fotie you posted 

I'm jealous I'd love to go to Rome to see the ancient artefacts and to get a day trip to Pompeii but knowing my luck Vesuvius would decide to erupt just as I'd arrive 

I'm hoping to do my 50th there with the family (I have a few years yet to save up for it) 

aww you're so kind .... we all need friends like you!

We're here for hubby's 50th ......well worth saving up for!  It's so unusual .that you walk around the city and the past is everywhere.  Turn a corner and you come upon another outstanding piece of history.  I particularly love how they've incorporated old roman buildings into new ones by building onto them - preserving the past and making it part of the modern city.  I just love it here