Kaytee posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:I'd end up slapping monobrow!!
Why stop at him......I'd slap the lot
Doesn't Sugar know that 'Sugar' is soooooo last season?
Syd posted:
and Brighton is mostly sugar free
Bet they all look ridiculous and they have to coerce folk to buy them!
Syd posted:
Stuff of the devil.......not including Midget Gems
Amythist posted:Syd posted:
My city!! this is going to be fun
I would be looking for 'Sugar' free.....
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Are you happy with that ...yeah she says in such a No voice
Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
CaptVimes posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
My city!! this is going to be fun
Hello Capt, LTNS 
Hi Yogi and everyone missed the first two this year
CaptVimes posted:Hi Yogi and everyone missed the first two this year
Well this task looks 'sweet'. 
CaptVimes posted:Hi Yogi and everyone missed the first two this year
hello Captn
God no not the rock we have rock already
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I like the M&S ones, they taste like the real thing
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Well this task looks 'sweet'.
and I thought football clubs these days tried to promote healthier food.
CaptVimes posted:God no not the rock we have rock already
Should have gone for the fudge, dead easy to make
Kaytee posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I like the M&S ones, they taste like the real thing
It's not the taste , it's the artificial,sweeteners they use
CaptVimes posted:Hi Yogi and everyone missed the first two this year
I'm sure they'll be on the iPlayer - if you're feeling REALLY masochistic!
Sofiane stuffed that up
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
and I thought football clubs these days tried to promote healthier food.
Pukka Pies ?
Syd posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Well this task looks 'sweet'.
They aint gonna get better.
Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
and I thought football clubs these days tried to promote healthier food.
Pukka Pies ?
That is healthy food.
Take more than one stick just in case!
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
and I thought football clubs these days tried to promote healthier food.
Pukka Pies ?
That is healthy food.
Of course it is
Kaytee posted:CaptVimes posted:God no not the rock we have rock already
Should have gone for the fudge, dead easy to make
Yea they didnt even think about how hard the various choices were to make
ÂĢ1.50 for that small amount !!!!
ÂĢ1.50 a bag.. for about what... 30g? I'm going to call them up and sell to them tomorrow
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I like the M&S ones, they taste like the real thing
It's not the taste , it's the artificial,sweeteners they use
They are worse than sugar.....
Every penny counts Karen, every penny.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
ÂĢ1.50 for that small amount !!!!
That's the cost these days in posh venues
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies 
Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
and I thought football clubs these days tried to promote healthier food.
Pukka Pies ?
That is healthy food.
Of course it is
They sell a lot of sweets at the club already heh and are probably healthier than the other grub we get except the pies
It's all going wrong - shocker!
CaptVimes posted:Kaytee posted:CaptVimes posted:God no not the rock we have rock already
Should have gone for the fudge, dead easy to make
Yea they didnt even think about how hard the various choices were to make
Sea-side = rock. That's as far as their brain-cell could get them!
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Oh fgs another one crying !!
Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
I read the boxes, don't have to worry, but I like to know what's in things these days 
'Suck it and Sea'...........sounds like a threat rather than a sweet to me!
Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
ÂĢ1.50 for that small amount !!!!
That's the cost these days in posh venues
Not to me it aint. Aldi.
Old fashioned cinder toffee is also a doddle to make
Yogi19 posted:It's all going wrong - shocker!
I'm shocked to hear that.......NOT!
Salt and vinegar fudge!
Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
I read the boxes, don't have to worry, but I like to know what's in things these days
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
ÂĢ1.50 for that small amount !!!!
That's the cost these days in posh venues
Not to me it aint. Aldi.
Aldi and Lidl have the best chocolate....and it's cheap
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Yogi19 posted:It's all going wrong - shocker!
I'm shocked to hear that.......NOT!
It would be shocking if anything went right
Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
it should be banned as a known carcinogen...it is in many countries,makes me 
that it's in so many food stuffs and drinks
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Salt and vinegar fudge!
Yuk!
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
ÂĢ1.50 for that small amount !!!!
That's the cost these days in posh venues
Not to me it aint. Aldi.
I LOVE Aldi
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Salt and vinegar fudge!
wrong wrong wrong, so very wrong
Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
Terrible stuff
Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
This guy is an idiot. Just deliver what you agreed. It's not rocket science.
Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
It also acts a laxative, so I can't have it anyway.
CaptVimes posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
ÂĢ1.50 for that small amount !!!!
That's the cost these days in posh venues
Not to me it aint. Aldi.
I LOVE Aldi
I think everyone does lol
Yogi19 posted:Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
It also acts a laxative, so I can't have it anyway.
Yep ....
cappucino fudge would tempt me
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
This guy is an idiot. Just deliver what you agreed. It's not rocket science.
He's an idiot
Yogi19 posted:Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
It also acts a laxative, so I can't have it anyway.
Can you have Stevia?
Amythist posted:cappucino fudge would tempt me
And me
Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
Its not a known carcinogen its the most tested product on the planet with yet no conclusive proof it however has worse effects than that
Amythist posted:cappucino fudge would tempt me
I like coffee, but not in sweets
Meet you in the middle......no, a loss you utter dipsticks
I missed that, have they given him more, charged less per bag and got less money than they would have?
Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
It also acts a laxative, so I can't have it anyway.
Can you have Stevia?
I don't know, I haven't been warned off it.
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Amythist posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Salt and vinegar fudge!
wrong wrong wrong, so very wrong
GROSS
I certainly wouldn't be trying it!
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I missed that, have they given him more, charged less per bag and got less money than they would have?
Yes
Sofiane's shirt is too tight
CaptVimes posted:Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
Its not a known carcinogen its the most tested product on the planet with yet no conclusive proof it however has worse effects than that
I've seen evidence to the contrary.....it is argued about....when in doubt leave it out is my motto
Yogi19 posted:Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
It also acts a laxative, so I can't have it anyway.
Can you have Stevia?
I don't know, I haven't been warned off it.
It's all natural....no calories.....I use it in cooking and in tea etc....might be an idea to find out if it's safe for you xx
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I missed that, have they given him more, charged less per bag and got less money than they would have?
no.. but I had to rewind to do the maths
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Yogi19 posted:Sofiane's shirt is too tight
Which one is she ?
He is the one who said his wife cooks for him
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Yogi19 posted:Sofiane's shirt is too tight
Which one is she ?
HE is the one in the pink shirt
Yogi19 posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I missed that, have they given him more, charged less per bag and got less money than they would have?
Yes
Alan Sugar with rip him apart for doing that.
Did I not prophesy that they'd be coercing folk?
Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
It also acts a laxative, so I can't have it anyway.
Can you have Stevia?
I don't know, I haven't been warned off it.
It's all natural....no calories.....I use it in cooking and in tea etc....might be an idea to find out if it's safe for you xx
Thanks Kaytee, I'll check with my nurse.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I missed that, have they given him more, charged less per bag and got less money than they would have?
who were you meaning?
Kaffs posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I missed that, have they given him more, charged less per bag and got less money than they would have?
no.. but I had to rewind to do the maths
was it just the extras at that price?
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Yogi19 posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I missed that, have they given him more, charged less per bag and got less money than they would have?
Yes
Alan Sugar with rip him apart for doing that.
rubs hands in anticipation
CaptVimes posted:Kaffs posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I missed that, have they given him more, charged less per bag and got less money than they would have?
no.. but I had to rewind to do the maths
was it just the extras at that price?
I'm not sure which deal we're talking about - I was talking about the Wine place?
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Yogi19 posted:Sofiane's shirt is too tight
Which one is she ?
HE is the one in the pink shirt
Ditto
Yogi19 posted:Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
It also acts a laxative, so I can't have it anyway.
Can you have Stevia?
I don't know, I haven't been warned off it.
It's all natural....no calories.....I use it in cooking and in tea etc....might be an idea to find out if it's safe for you xx
Thanks Kaytee, I'll check with my nurse.
Xxxxxxx
What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
I think some algae on Mars is better than you Monobrow
CaptVimes posted:Kaffs posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I missed that, have they given him more, charged less per bag and got less money than they would have?
no.. but I had to rewind to do the maths
was it just the extras at that price?
No idea.....I got confused halfway through
Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
Brainfreeze
There is a shop in the north laine that only sells fudge mahoosive fudgey shop
Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
someone pointed out that salted caramel was bang on trend right now .....how they got to the vinegar was out of the box thinking
Here comes the good bit
Yogi19 posted:Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Amythist posted:Syd posted:
Sugar free sweets sell like hot cakes down here
I can't have sugar free ....they upset my tummy ...
I can't have them because Aspartame is a killer for Crohnies
It also acts a laxative, so I can't have it anyway.
Can you have Stevia?
I don't know, I haven't been warned off it.
It's all natural....no calories.....I use it in cooking and in tea etc....might be an idea to find out if it's safe for you xx
Thanks Kaytee, I'll check with my nurse.
We have had a discussion about Stevia on here before. It is completely natural as Kaytee says and I saw a Channel 4 programme where the presenter watched the process then tried the end product. She licked her finger and dipped it into the Stevia, looked at the owner of the farm and said "Is that enough?" his eyes widened and said "yes" more than enough. She sucked her finger and her eyes nearly fell out. It's so much sweeter than sugar apparently so you don't need as much. I'm not sure if they 'cut it' here to reduce the sweetness - maybe Kaytee can shed some light.
Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
Numpties.........need I say more?
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
Some one with no taste buds
We got some samples of salted fudge at work (as in 'salted caramel' which I love) I had huge rocks of sea salt in it... absolutely revolting.
I think Oliver could get the chop tonight
Kaytee posted:Here comes the good bit
Thanks Kaytee.
A nice way of describing me.
Amythist posted:Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
someone pointed out that salted caramel was bang on trend right now .....how they got to the vinegar was out of the box thinking
i think they thought we put salt and vinegar with everything
CaptVimes posted:There is a shop in the north laine that only sells fudge mahoosive fudgey shop
Been in that one....bought fudge, but only boring vanilla
Kaffs posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
Some one with no taste buds
We got some samples of salted fudge at work (as in 'salted caramel' which I love) I had huge rocks of sea salt in it... absolutely revolting.
I love salted caramel desserts.
Yogi19 posted:I think Oliver could get the chop tonight
yes, he's toast
Yogi19 posted:Kaffs posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
Some one with no taste buds
We got some samples of salted fudge at work (as in 'salted caramel' which I love) I had huge rocks of sea salt in it... absolutely revolting.
I love salted caramel desserts.
I do too.. couldn't wait to try the fudge. Don't go there.. ever.. trust me!
CaptVimes posted:Amythist posted:Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
someone pointed out that salted caramel was bang on trend right now .....how they got to the vinegar was out of the box thinking
i think they thought we put salt and vinegar with everything
Kaytee posted:CaptVimes posted:There is a shop in the north laine that only sells fudge mahoosive fudgey shop
Been in that one....bought fudge, but only boring vanilla
Nothing boring about vanilla fudge 
Yogi19 posted:Kaffs posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
Some one with no taste buds
We got some samples of salted fudge at work (as in 'salted caramel' which I love) I had huge rocks of sea salt in it... absolutely revolting.
I love salted caramel desserts.
I made salted caramel popcorn.....not a great success! Lol
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Yogi19 posted:I think Oliver could get the chop tonight
He is a bit dithery
More than a bit!
Amythist posted:Yogi19 posted:I think Oliver could get the chop tonight
yes, he's toast
Yep
*tumbleweed*
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Riding the bike
He's out of his depth, bless him.
Dead man walking
Kaffs posted:Yogi19 posted:Kaffs posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
Some one with no taste buds
We got some samples of salted fudge at work (as in 'salted caramel' which I love) I had huge rocks of sea salt in it... absolutely revolting.
I love salted caramel desserts.
I do too.. couldn't wait to try the fudge. Don't go there.. ever.. trust me!
I trust your judgement, I won't.
Kaytee posted:Yogi19 posted:Kaffs posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Kaffs posted:What possessed them to do salt and vinegar fudge?
Some one with no taste buds
We got some samples of salted fudge at work (as in 'salted caramel' which I love) I had huge rocks of sea salt in it... absolutely revolting.
I love salted caramel desserts.
I made salted caramel popcorn.....not a great success! Lol
Bossa Nova Baz posted:CaptVimes posted:Dead man walking
Yes
yea thats not happening
Good grief, Alana's lot won!
Team Nebulous.
The class of caff has gone up a bit
She's fallen for the classic "I've done my bit so...". She had better not sit back now thinking her one win is enough.
Why go in for this if you can't take 'pressure'?
Makay and Paul......dodgy pair
Syd posted:Why go in for this if you can't take 'pressure'?
TV time and minor celebrity Syd.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
She's fallen for the classic "I've done my bit so...". She had better not sit back now thinking her one win is enough.
Classic radar dodger
That bow tie thing he has going on. Is that his 'look'?
call me surprised
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Syd posted:Why go in for this if you can't take 'pressure'?
TV time and minor celebrity Syd.
Not a hope of getting a decent job with this on your CV
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
That bow tie thing he has going on. Is that his 'look'?
If it is it's naff
He is a weak PM. Even his voice trembles at the question posed by Alan.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Syd posted:Why go in for this if you can't take 'pressure'?
TV time and minor celebrity Syd.
You maybe right there....spoils it for me tho if 'wannabes' are all the programme is attracting.....
Surely Oliver has to go.
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
That bow tie thing he has going on. Is that his 'look'?
If it is it's naff
Usually someone who has worked too long in the city of london and wants to look different to the other pricks but in doing so looks more of a prick
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
That bow tie thing he has going on. Is that his 'look'?
he might chuck Mackay out with Oliver as he was so rubbish last week
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
Amythist posted:he might chuck Mackay out with Oliver as he was so rubbish last week
Sugar has been know to make a double sacking.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
I'm scoffing Turkish Delight thins....from Poundland
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
You didn't save me any!
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Does Paul think wearing glasses will save him
Gotta have your doubts about anyone styling themselves on Heston Blumenheck...
I've just had a Curly Wurly
Bossa Nova Baz posted:Does Paul think wearing glasses will save him
Let's see if it works.
Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
I'm scoffing Turkish Delight thins....from Poundland
Sainsbury's and Tesco both do similar for ÂĢ1 a box.
Yogi19 posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
You didn't save me any!
Well he brought the correct two in at least
Kaffs posted:Bossa Nova Baz posted:Does Paul think wearing glasses will save him
Gotta have your doubts about anyone styling themselves on Heston Blumenheck...
Yes, Blooming Hestintahl is not a good look.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Yogi19 posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
You didn't save me any!
What about summing up do you not understand.
isn't the expression 'hill of beans' not 'row'
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
Real Turkish Delight, or that ghastly jelly stuff?
Paul is still holding his breath.
Bye bye Oliver
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
I'm scoffing Turkish Delight thins....from Poundland
Sainsbury's and Tesco both do similar for ÂĢ1 a box.
Yes, but Poundland was nearer, the only other option close by was Waitrose....and theirs was twice the price
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
I'm scoffing Turkish Delight thins....from Poundland
Sainsbury's and Tesco both do similar for ÂĢ1 a box.
probably all greek and not turkish though 
Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Kaytee posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
I'm eating M&S Turkish Delight.
Well I was. All gone now!
I'm scoffing Turkish Delight thins....from Poundland
Sainsbury's and Tesco both do similar for ÂĢ1 a box.
Yes, but Poundland was nearer, the only other option close by was Waitrose....and theirs was twice the price
but actually turkish
He's got a sausage empire
Bossa Nova Baz posted:They were lucky !!
Very. Sugar will do a double sooner or later. Too many iffy candidates.
I always feel very sad for the 'Loser'......back to his 'sausage' empire.....
Right decision.....night night all
Sausage Emperor Oliver.......I'd rather Tom Archer's
Are they in Debenhams next week ???
Thanks for the company, goodnight all.
Oooh... next week should be good. I loved the documentaries about Liberty