It is an absolute shambles and disgrace

I live in the highest vote leave constituency with a very safe Tory mp who voted remain.  There was a news report that stated very few migrant workers had signed to stay and work . Whatever is next?

Yes Machel it is a disgrace!

 

Disgrace 1: Cameron instigates the referendum, then jumps overboard and leaves someone else to deal with the outcome.

 

Disgrace 2: May decides that instead of getting everyone on board and collectively sorting it out, she knows better than everyone else and will sort it herself and saddle us with HER IDEA of what she thinks we all want. Remember she wasn't intending to give parliament a vote on it at all, let alone a 'meaningful' one.

 

Disgrace 3: Along comes Boris and instead of taking lessons from May's failures, he too toddles off and decides he can sort it himself and now 'throws his toys out of the pram' because not everyone agrees with him and makes him do things he doesn't want to do. No regard as to what 'the people' might want, just what HE wants.

Saint posted:

If the Government says it's position is leave but a Tory constituency voted to stay … how should their MP vote?

Depends exactly on what they are voting!

Assuming we are talking about voting on a leave deal, then the MP should vote in accordance with whether they think it will be best for ALL their constituants. It is (theoretically at least) no longer a leave/remain vote as the current situation is that we are leaving. What the country should now be voting on is whether the proposed deal is good for ALL people or as big a majority as possible and without disadvantaging anyone.

 

Not saying it will be easy to find this common ground, but that is why it should have been a cross-party discussion from the outset.

 

Any one party trying to do it by themselves was always going to be doomed to failure because they would inevitably see it from their own point of view and miss (quite possibly unintentionally) aspects that other views have.

 

From the moment the result was known the focus should have been 'Right then, how are WE going to manage this as amicably as possible?' It is possible we might still be sitting here today not having left yet, but the reasons for that would be more to do with the complexities than the current in-fighting and sheer hatred!

I reiterate what I have always said. We was offered the vote to stay or leave, not whether we should stay or leave after a deal has been agreed. 


Be that right or wrong, that’s what was offered and leave was the majority vote.

There is no point in having a democratic vote if you aren’t going to abide by it.

Now I shall wait for the flack that is bound to follow 

*dons flack jacket* 

Moonie posted:

I reiterate what I have always said. We was offered the vote to stay or leave, not whether we should stay or leave after a deal has been agreed. 


Be that right or wrong, that’s what was offered and leave was the majority vote.

There is no point in having a democratic vote if you aren’t going to abide by it.

Now I shall wait for the flack that is bound to follow 

*dons flack jacket* 

I agree Moonie .....it makes a mockery of our democracy imo ....our politicians are supposed to be our servants ...not our nannies ! Hides behind Moonie 

Baz posted:
Moonie posted:

I reiterate what I have always said. We was offered the vote to stay or leave, not whether we should stay or leave after a deal has been agreed. 


Be that right or wrong, that’s what was offered and leave was the majority vote.

There is no point in having a democratic vote if you aren’t going to abide by it.

Now I shall wait for the flack that is bound to follow 

*dons flack jacket* 

I agree Moonie .....it makes a mockery of our democracy imo ....our politicians are supposed to be our servants ...not our nannies ! Hides behind Moonie 

 welcomes Bazzy  

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I know the referendum didn't specify the manner of leaving, but I think most sane people kind of assumed there would be some reasonable discussion as to how it would work!

🤔 Dunno where that leaves me then *shrugs...

Moonie posted:
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I know the referendum didn't specify the manner of leaving, but I think most sane people kind of assumed there would be some reasonable discussion as to how it would work!

🤔 Dunno where that leaves me then *shrugs...

That.s OK Moonie.........you just concentrate on looking after those swans/cygnets!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I know the referendum didn't specify the manner of leaving, but I think most sane people kind of assumed there would be some reasonable discussion as to how it would work!

Well I voted out ...and tbh I never considered a deal ...I thought we would just leave ....but then I’ve never claimed to be sane 

Baz posted:
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I know the referendum didn't specify the manner of leaving, but I think most sane people kind of assumed there would be some reasonable discussion as to how it would work!

Well I voted out ...and tbh I never considered a deal ...I thought we would just leave ....but then I’ve never claimed to be sane 

I too voted out and I am extremely sane, just wish that bunch in Westminster were!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:
Baz posted:
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I know the referendum didn't specify the manner of leaving, but I think most sane people kind of assumed there would be some reasonable discussion as to how it would work!

Well I voted out ...and tbh I never considered a deal ...I thought we would just leave ....but then I’ve never claimed to be sane 

I too voted out and I am extremely sane, just wish that bunch in Westminster were!

On that we agree EFFT .....to bliddy busy playing * politics* while Rome burns !

Moonie posted:
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Chancellor Sajid Javid says the 31 October Brexit deadline "can't be met"

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Anyone surprised?

Nope 

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Chancellor Sajid Javid says the 31 October Brexit deadline "can't be met"

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Anyone surprised?

No, but again, it was interesting that he could not answer the question directly, but had to use the phrase "can't now be met".

 

I also thought the interviewer missed a piece of information that Javid should have been further questioned on. Javid said that "no deal is off the table for the duration of the extension". Does that mean, outside the extension 'no deal' is back on the table?

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Chancellor Sajid Javid says the 31 October Brexit deadline "can't be met"

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Anyone surprised?

No, but again, it was interesting that he could not answer the question directly, but had to use the phrase "can't now be met".

 

I also thought the interviewer missed a piece of information that Javid should have been further questioned on. Javid said that "no deal is off the table for the duration of the extension". Does that mean, outside the extension 'no deal' is back on the table?

If that's the case (and I hope it's been picked up) then there should be no agreement for a GE.

 

Well, another day, another major cock-up!

 

Woke to hear the fallout from the comments made by Mogg and Bridgen. When will politicians learn to steer clear of controversial comments when they are trying to win an election. Now, I don't like Mogg one bit and I hope this bites a big chunk out his @rse but for a so called intelligent man he should have picked his words a lot more carefully.

 

Then we get Cleverly on shortly after not only trying to smooth over the Mogg comments, but having himself grilled about a 'doctored' video they  posted.

 

At least you can't say politics is boring at the moment !!!

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Well, another day, another major cock-up!

 

Woke to hear the fallout from the comments made by Mogg and Bridgen. When will politicians learn to steer clear of controversial comments when they are trying to win an election. Now, I don't like Mogg one bit and I hope this bites a big chunk out his @rse but for a so called intelligent man he should have picked his words a lot more carefully.

 

Then we get Cleverly on shortly after not only trying to smooth over the Mogg comments, but having himself grilled about a 'doctored' video they  posted.

 

At least you can't say politics is boring at the moment !!!

That’s a matter of opinion EC 

Moonie posted:

I see Mob Farage aren’t going to contest the 312 seats the Tories won last time...

The rotten, cowardly two faced scumbag 

Closet Tory 

I think he’s just worked out something that most of us worked out weeks ago ....that if he splits the vote he could be opening the way for a second referendum 

Baz posted:
Moonie posted:

I see Mob Farage aren’t going to contest the 312 seats the Tories won last time...

The rotten, cowardly two faced scumbag 

Closet Tory 

I think he’s just worked out something that most of us worked out weeks ago ....that if he splits the vote he could be opening the way for a second referendum 

 

Moonie posted:
Baz posted:
Moonie posted:

I see Mob Farage aren’t going to contest the 312 seats the Tories won last time...

The rotten, cowardly two faced scumbag 

Closet Tory 

I think he’s just worked out something that most of us worked out weeks ago ....that if he splits the vote he could be opening the way for a second referendum 

 

So less than a week in we have had, Cons doctoring two tapes and being caught out. Is it one or two police probes into Johnson and his shady dealings, one report of nine Russian backers of Johnson and the Tory party suppressed until after the election. The BBC using a fake tape to cover up Johnson's total car crash at the cenotaph, using video from 2016 to cover up his blunders 

 

I have said it for the last 4/5 years, this is the most corrupt government in history. The election  isn't just about Brexit, the flipping country is being dismantled and I'm sick to death about Brexit. If we end up with a Johnson/Farage pact we are walking into a full blown fascist hard right government...instead of nearly hard right we have now  I'm sure we'll have Lord Farage anytime soon 

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