Yogi19 posted:
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You could not write this stuff.

 

A fascinating watch on TV.

 

I'm looking forward to the film.

John Goodman to play Boris?

Mr Y has been watching it for hours 

I got home late from work and had to catch up first, but I've been watching live for the last hour or so, and yes: it's riveting. 

Just watching an interview with Rory Stewart: he received a text from the Chief Whip informing him he was to have the whip removed (and therefore potentially be de-selected as a Tory MP) while he was receiving an award for "Politician of the Year".

 

You really can't make this stuff up...

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Baz posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

You could not write this stuff.

 

A fascinating watch on TV.

 

I'm looking forward to the film.

John Goodman to play Boris?

Who will play JC 

I'm not sure Baz. But it would need to be a tall, lithe and senior individual. Possibly Clint Eastwood. 

Ford Kiernan

 

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Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Baz posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

You could not write this stuff.

 

A fascinating watch on TV.

 

I'm looking forward to the film.

John Goodman to play Boris?

Who will play JC 

I'm not sure Baz. But it would need to be a tall, lithe and senior individual. Possibly Clint Eastwood. 

More like Big Bird🐥

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Baz posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

You could not write this stuff.

 

A fascinating watch on TV.

 

I'm looking forward to the film.

John Goodman to play Boris?

Who will play JC 

I'm not sure Baz. But it would need to be a tall, lithe and senior individual. Possibly Clint Eastwood. 

I’m still rooting for Cat Weasel to play him 

Baz posted:
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Baz posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

You could not write this stuff.

 

A fascinating watch on TV.

 

I'm looking forward to the film.

John Goodman to play Boris?

Who will play JC 

I'm not sure Baz. But it would need to be a tall, lithe and senior individual. Possibly Clint Eastwood. 

I’m still rooting for Cat Weasel to play him 

You;re going to have a long wait then. Sadly he died a couple of years ago.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I don't get the animosity (from many quarters) towards Jeremy Corbyn.

Neither do I Fluffy, he's a genuine guy...he's stuck to the same principals for 30 odd years. People tend to listen to what others say about him rather than what he says. I have met him twice and I can honestly say he's the nicest guy, he listens, doesn't interrupt and you can tell he genuinely concerned about cuts to the NHS, sanctions, deaths, industry if we crash out of the EU, But considering in January all the right wing newspapers will have to pay tax instead of stuffing it off shore like Mogg if we are still in the EU, you can really see why they will attack him constantly. Moggs firm made 103 million in the last five years and paid zero Corporation tax... he's sweating profusely has I type. 

 

Corbyn has never met the IRA, people believe that..... he met Gerry Adams after ((1983) when he was voted MP.  Gerry Adams was not in the IRA he was in the political wing which is Sinn Féin, he also met Ian Paisley.  The Tories were flying IRA terrorist into London in the 70's, Margaret Thatcher done deals and let them be released from prison and denied ever talking to them in the 80's ..I've never heard a Tory being accused of being a friend of terrorists. 

 

Least expense claimer in the HoC, traveled up until recently on public transport, publishes his tax returns every year, Got into debt in the 80's, funding a Community centre to keep it open...but he's dangerous. 

 

When Margaret Hodge was chair of Islington Council , it was passed that developers could dig up a Jewish cemetery and remove and bury the caskets elsewhere... who fought that decision and won, Jeremy Corbyn and Margaret Hodge accuses him of being antisemitic  His mother stood and fought on Cable Street against Mosley, he was brought up in a household that believed everyone was equal. 

 

I could go on...but people can and will believe what they hear. It is what it is, but I bet you people will vote Tory or Swinson and Swinson will guarantee a new Tory/Libdem pact. She's said she was a Tory and only went to Lib Dems because in her area Tories would have never won and she will only deal with the Tories, I am not expecting Labour to win the next election. A) right wing media b) people will be fooled by Swinson c) young people can't vote and it's their future. 

 

As someone who loathes the whole lot of them, I did think that JC had principles if very little else. However, his one ambition seems to be to get himself into number 10 these days. He promised students to get rid of tuition fees ,then reneged on that one by stating it was an ambition not a promise...I could go on

You are right Dame about the Lib Dems.In my younger days I was an agent for a prospective councillor for the very reason you stated, we were and they still are a cabal of opportunists without a principle between them

As for the Tories...well......I have always railed against the selling off of utilities and transport, I have travelled widely on continental railways and they work well.there is a caveat though, they are run properly by people who know their business, this didn't apply to our services back in the day

In the end there is nobody in this pathetic parliament that I could vote for, there has to be an election to have a clear out. Will I vote? Yes on a matter of principle, but for whom?

Kaytee posted:

As someone who loathes the whole lot of them, I did think that JC had principles if very little else. However, his one ambition seems to be to get himself into number 10 these days. He promised students to get rid of tuition fees ,then reneged on that one by stating it was an ambition not a promise...I could go on

You are right Dame about the Lib Dems.In my younger days I was an agent for a prospective councillor for the very reason you stated, we were and they still are a cabal of opportunists without a principle between them

As for the Tories...well......I have always railed against the selling off of utilities and transport, I have travelled widely on continental railways and they work well.there is a caveat though, they are run properly by people who know their business, this didn't apply to our services back in the day

In the end there is nobody in this pathetic parliament that I could vote for, there has to be an election to have a clear out. Will I vote? Yes on a matter of principle, but for whom?

I’ve always had what I consider a healthy cynicism about politicians , but,  for the first time in over half a century , at this point in time I think I’ll have to abstain because I couldn’t in all conscience vote for any of them ! Boris has totally lost the plot and conservatives have managed to blow themselves apart ! Swinson,  I don’t know enough about , but the liberals are the party of remain, so.......and over the last three years JC has proved himself to be as much of turncoat and power whore as all the others imo . Not one solid , consistent principle between the lot of them  

Baz posted:
Kaytee posted:

As someone who loathes the whole lot of them, I did think that JC had principles if very little else. However, his one ambition seems to be to get himself into number 10 these days. He promised students to get rid of tuition fees ,then reneged on that one by stating it was an ambition not a promise...I could go on

You are right Dame about the Lib Dems.In my younger days I was an agent for a prospective councillor for the very reason you stated, we were and they still are a cabal of opportunists without a principle between them

As for the Tories...well......I have always railed against the selling off of utilities and transport, I have travelled widely on continental railways and they work well.there is a caveat though, they are run properly by people who know their business, this didn't apply to our services back in the day

In the end there is nobody in this pathetic parliament that I could vote for, there has to be an election to have a clear out. Will I vote? Yes on a matter of principle, but for whom?

I’ve always had what I consider a healthy cynicism about politicians , but,  for the first time in over half a century , at this point in time I think I’ll have to abstain because I couldn’t in all conscience vote for any of them ! Boris has totally lost the plot and conservatives have managed to blow themselves apart ! Swinson,  I don’t know enough about , but the liberals are the party of remain, so.......and over the last three years JC has proved himself to be as much of turncoat and power whore as all the others imo . Not one solid , consistent principle between the lot of them  

Although I agree Baz, for me I have to vote,having hammered into my daughter that women had to struggle so hard for the vote that it is my duty to exercise the franchise.  On the other hand I don't think I can vote for any of them either, I can foresee a spoiled ballot paper with something incredibly rude  written across it when I finally get into the voting booth😍😍

Kaytee posted:

Although I agree Baz, for me I have to vote,having hammered into my daughter that women had to struggle so hard for the vote that it is my duty to exercise the franchise.  On the other hand I don't think I can vote for any of them either, I can foresee a spoiled ballot paper with something incredibly rude  written across it when I finally get into the voting booth😍😍

Well, I've spoilt my ballot paper on a couple of occasions, but that was because of the election rather than the candidates. (This was the Police and Crime Commissioner elections, which I object to on principle. I wasn't the only one: there were over 2000 spoilt papers in my town alone!   )

 

However with regards candidates, the one thing I would suggest is to remember (and remind your daughter) that you're not primarily voting for a party or a party leader, but for an individual to represent you in Parliament. Look into who's standing in your constituency, find out what their personal viewpoints are (not just their party manifestos) and speak to them if possible. I've certainly been in the position in the past where I couldn't bring myself to vote for the party I wanted to because I knew their candidate was untrustworthy and had gone back on promises she'd previously made to her constituents.

 

I think the point of electing an individual is particularly important at the moment, given the moves in certain quarters to purge their parties of dissenting voices and differing opinions.

My town has two MPs, both Conservative. However when it comes to Brexit, one voted Remain, while the other voted Leave, which I thought rather interesting. I don't know yet if both will be standing at the next election, though...

Kaytee posted:
Sprout posted:

Haha! it's all falling apart for the Tories 

The way they're all behaving, it's falling apart for the lot of them

Ain’t that the truth ....the lunatics have taken over the asylum Imho you’d be hard pushed to put together  one decent politician ( if that’s not an oxymoron)  out of the lot of them 

Eugene's Lair posted:
Kaytee posted:

Although I agree Baz, for me I have to vote,having hammered into my daughter that women had to struggle so hard for the vote that it is my duty to exercise the franchise.  On the other hand I don't think I can vote for any of them either, I can foresee a spoiled ballot paper with something incredibly rude  written across it when I finally get into the voting booth😍😍

Well, I've spoilt my ballot paper on a couple of occasions, but that was because of the election rather than the candidates. (This was the Police and Crime Commissioner elections, which I object to on principle. I wasn't the only one: there were over 2000 spoilt papers in my town alone!   )

 

However with regards candidates, the one thing I would suggest is to remember (and remind your daughter) that you're not primarily voting for a party or a party leader, but for an individual to represent you in Parliament. Look into who's standing in your constituency, find out what their personal viewpoints are (not just their party manifestos) and speak to them if possible. I've certainly been in the position in the past where I couldn't bring myself to vote for the party I wanted to because I knew their candidate was untrustworthy and had gone back on promises she'd previously made to her constituents.

 

I think the point of electing an individual is particularly important at the moment, given the moves in certain quarters to purge their parties of dissenting voices and differing opinions.

My town has two MPs, both Conservative. However when it comes to Brexit, one voted Remain, while the other voted Leave, which I thought rather interesting. I don't know yet if both will be standing at the next election, though...

Good point Eugene .....although in these febrile days I’m not even sure that is true . The way  many politicians ....including those in the  Labour heartlands.... seem to have thrown some of their constituents under a bus  doesn’t give me much confidence that what I vote for is what I would get. So, unless there is a miracle,  I think that for the first time ever I will be joining Kaytee and spoiling my ballot paper . 

Eugene's Lair posted:
Kaytee posted:

Although I agree Baz, for me I have to vote,having hammered into my daughter that women had to struggle so hard for the vote that it is my duty to exercise the franchise.  On the other hand I don't think I can vote for any of them either, I can foresee a spoiled ballot paper with something incredibly rude  written across it when I finally get into the voting booth😍😍

Well, I've spoilt my ballot paper on a couple of occasions, but that was because of the election rather than the candidates. (This was the Police and Crime Commissioner elections, which I object to on principle. I wasn't the only one: there were over 2000 spoilt papers in my town alone!   )

 

However with regards candidates, the one thing I would suggest is to remember (and remind your daughter) that you're not primarily voting for a party or a party leader, but for an individual to represent you in Parliament. Look into who's standing in your constituency, find out what their personal viewpoints are (not just their party manifestos) and speak to them if possible. I've certainly been in the position in the past where I couldn't bring myself to vote for the party I wanted to because I knew their candidate was untrustworthy and had gone back on promises she'd previously made to her constituents.

 

I think the point of electing an individual is particularly important at the moment, given the moves in certain quarters to purge their parties of dissenting voices and differing opinions.

My town has two MPs, both Conservative. However when it comes to Brexit, one voted Remain, while the other voted Leave, which I thought rather interesting. I don't know yet if both will be standing at the next election, though...

I take your point Eugene, but this constituency has always fluctuated between Lib Dem and Tory,by a very small majority every time in both council and Parliamentary elections.I do look at the man or woman standing....but they never seem to field anyone worth having because of this flip flopping. It is a remain constituency by a small margin, I expect it to remain that way this time too depending upon those who voted for the Brexit party last time vote tactically this time.I suppose I'll have to see which way the wind blows at the time 

Baz posted:
Eugene's Lair posted:
Kaytee posted:

Although I agree Baz, for me I have to vote,having hammered into my daughter that women had to struggle so hard for the vote that it is my duty to exercise the franchise.  On the other hand I don't think I can vote for any of them either, I can foresee a spoiled ballot paper with something incredibly rude  written across it when I finally get into the voting booth😍😍

Well, I've spoilt my ballot paper on a couple of occasions, but that was because of the election rather than the candidates. (This was the Police and Crime Commissioner elections, which I object to on principle. I wasn't the only one: there were over 2000 spoilt papers in my town alone!   )

 

However with regards candidates, the one thing I would suggest is to remember (and remind your daughter) that you're not primarily voting for a party or a party leader, but for an individual to represent you in Parliament. Look into who's standing in your constituency, find out what their personal viewpoints are (not just their party manifestos) and speak to them if possible. I've certainly been in the position in the past where I couldn't bring myself to vote for the party I wanted to because I knew their candidate was untrustworthy and had gone back on promises she'd previously made to her constituents.

 

I think the point of electing an individual is particularly important at the moment, given the moves in certain quarters to purge their parties of dissenting voices and differing opinions.

My town has two MPs, both Conservative. However when it comes to Brexit, one voted Remain, while the other voted Leave, which I thought rather interesting. I don't know yet if both will be standing at the next election, though...

Good point Eugene .....although in these febrile days I’m not even sure that is true . The way  many politicians ....including those in the  Labour heartlands.... seem to have thrown some of their constituents under a bus  doesn’t give me much confidence that what I vote for is what I would get. So, unless there is a miracle,  I think that for the first time ever I will be joining Kaytee and spoiling my ballot paper . 

Yes Baz, MPs on both sides of the Brexit debate who voted against their constituents because they obviously feel that they know best should be deselected , they are elected to serve those who voted for them not themselves

 

The Andrew Marr was an interesting one today. If Amber Rudd is telling the truth then it would seem the lack of any news on EU negotiations is down to the lack of negotiations and the intention to crash out without any deal whatsoever.

 

(on the subject of the legislation to stop a no deal Brexit) I thought it interesting the exchange between Javid and Marr. Would the PM break the law?

 

Javid came across as evasive as ever.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

The Andrew Marr was an interesting one today. If Amber Rudd is telling the truth then it would seem the lack of any news on EU negotiations is down to the lack of negotiations and the intention to crash out without any deal whatsoever.

 

(on the subject of the legislation to stop a no deal Brexit) I thought it interesting the exchange between Javid and Marr. Would the PM break the law?

 

Javid came across as evasive as ever.

Twitter tells a lot  You get far more there than you get on MSM 

Kaytee posted:
Baz posted:
Eugene's Lair posted:
Kaytee posted:

Although I agree Baz, for me I have to vote,having hammered into my daughter that women had to struggle so hard for the vote that it is my duty to exercise the franchise.  On the other hand I don't think I can vote for any of them either, I can foresee a spoiled ballot paper with something incredibly rude  written across it when I finally get into the voting booth😍😍

Well, I've spoilt my ballot paper on a couple of occasions, but that was because of the election rather than the candidates. (This was the Police and Crime Commissioner elections, which I object to on principle. I wasn't the only one: there were over 2000 spoilt papers in my town alone!   )

 

However with regards candidates, the one thing I would suggest is to remember (and remind your daughter) that you're not primarily voting for a party or a party leader, but for an individual to represent you in Parliament. Look into who's standing in your constituency, find out what their personal viewpoints are (not just their party manifestos) and speak to them if possible. I've certainly been in the position in the past where I couldn't bring myself to vote for the party I wanted to because I knew their candidate was untrustworthy and had gone back on promises she'd previously made to her constituents.

 

I think the point of electing an individual is particularly important at the moment, given the moves in certain quarters to purge their parties of dissenting voices and differing opinions.

My town has two MPs, both Conservative. However when it comes to Brexit, one voted Remain, while the other voted Leave, which I thought rather interesting. I don't know yet if both will be standing at the next election, though...

Good point Eugene .....although in these febrile days I’m not even sure that is true . The way  many politicians ....including those in the  Labour heartlands.... seem to have thrown some of their constituents under a bus  doesn’t give me much confidence that what I vote for is what I would get. So, unless there is a miracle,  I think that for the first time ever I will be joining Kaytee and spoiling my ballot paper . 

Yes Baz, MPs on both sides of the Brexit debate who voted against their constituents because they obviously feel that they know best should be deselected , they are elected to serve those who voted for them not themselves

But the referendum vote was a personal vote, not an electoral one, so why should they have voted in keeping with any particular group?

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