Baz posted:Kaytee posted:The one thing Margaret Beaufort wasn't was powerless ð
Exactly
I think it was her that engineered the murder of the two princes not Richard 111
Kaytee posted:Can't remember the name of the third one offhand
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Dame_Ann_Average posted:Kaytee posted:Edmund, then Stafford ,she married well and used her husbands until she got her son on the throne
Yes, she came across as a pretty savvy lady, I just googled she was married before... between the age of 1 and 3 to John de la Pole
Kaytee posted:Baz posted:She was a very astute woman
Ruthless and devious too
yes that as well-but her saving grace was that she was trying to secure a future for her son
Dame_Ann_Average posted:Kaytee posted:Can't remember the name of the third one offhand
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Thanks xx
The deviousness that went on....
wow she was both intelligent and ruthless
Kaytee posted:Thanks xx
Sprout posted:Dame_Ann_Average posted:Kaytee posted:Edmund, then Stafford ,she married well and used her husbands until she got her son on the throne
Yes, she came across as a pretty savvy lady, I just googled she was married before... between the age of 1 and 3 to John de la Pole
I thought they betrothed her to him, and then reneged on the deal
Baz posted:Kaytee posted:Baz posted:Kaytee posted:The one thing Margaret Beaufort wasn't was powerless ð
Exactly
I think it was her that engineered the murder of the two princes not Richard 111
ooo yes that makes sense
Kaytee posted:I think it was her that engineered the murder of the two princes not Richard 111
I've recorded that, it's was on at 9 pm before this
Baz posted:Warwick the kingmaker
Murdoch of the day 
Dame_Ann_Average posted:Kaytee posted:I think it was her that engineered the murder of the two princes not Richard 111
I've recorded that, it's was on at 9 pm before this
So have Ið
Dame_Ann_Average posted:Baz posted:Warwick the kingmaker
Murdoch of the day
Much more violent and ruthless
Kaytee posted:So have Ið
Kaytee posted:Much more violent and ruthless
true 
Baz posted:Warwick the kingmaker
yes remember learning that
Rocking Ros Rose posted:yes remember learning that
Pretty ruthless stuff
Margaret thinking...Oh hell, now I'll have to find another one
Dame_Ann_Average posted:Rocking Ros Rose posted:yes remember learning that
Pretty ruthless stuff
yes but at a young age you don't really appreciate it like you do now
Kaytee posted:Margaret thinking...Oh hell, now I'll have to find another one
yes
Rocking Ros Rose posted:yes but at a young age you don't really appreciate it like you do now
that's very true Ros
Rocking Ros Rose posted:Dame_Ann_Average posted:Rocking Ros Rose posted:yes remember learning that
Pretty ruthless stuff
yes but at a young age you don't really appreciate it like you do now
Was like a violent game of ping pong....to me,to you and all cousins ...families eh?
Kaytee posted:Margaret thinking...Oh hell, now I'll have to find another one
Kaytee posted:Rocking Ros Rose posted:Dame_Ann_Average posted:Rocking Ros Rose posted:yes remember learning that
Pretty ruthless stuff
yes but at a young age you don't really appreciate it like you do now
Was like a violent game of ping pong....to me,to you and all cousins ...families eh?
Yes
14 year old and on the run
Baz posted:Didnât have much luck , did she
she was crafty enough to plod on though
Kaytee posted:Rocking Ros Rose posted:Dame_Ann_Average posted:Rocking Ros Rose posted:yes remember learning that
Pretty ruthless stuff
yes but at a young age you don't really appreciate it like you do now
Was like a violent game of ping pong....to me,to you and all cousins ...families eh?
yep
Baz posted:Didnât have much luck , did she
Well if these men didn't get themselves killedð