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ION I've just seen on our footie forum........

"Great news here .....

Russell Brand has today confirmed a date at Middlesbrough Town Hall in the summer of 2018.

Russell plays the Town Hall as part of a major tour on Wednesday 25 July 2018 - and tickets go on sale at 10am next Friday morning (Fri 3 Feb)

First thing booked in reopened Town Hall."

 

2018????? We could all have snuffed it by then!

Garage Joe
Garage Joe posted:

He's doing some rather good political stuff at the moment.

Apropos visiting the Barcode area we all know that we mustn't make sudden movements, look directly at people or show our teeth.

Russel Brand is a top bloke in a world where the UK and US are rejecting reason and sensible argument in favour of right wing simplistic demagoguery 

Carnelian
Carnelian posted:
Baz posted:
velvet donkey posted:

He's a nob.

 

No charge.

I totally agree Velvet  And he always looks like he needs a darn good wash 

Sorry Baz, your comment is so Daily Mail Online-esque it's painful!

 Well  back in the day .....50 years ago ....at the height of flower power ....when Labour truly was  the party of the working man ( or at least more so than it is now ) ....and I was a fully paid up Daily Mirror reader ....I still disliked scruffy looking , arrogant twits ....which sort of disproves your argument  

Baz
Garage Joe posted:

Oddly enough I remember 55 years ago and even the one nation Tories were the party of the working man. Lots of opportunities. State before market. Powerful trade unions, working contracts, proper jobs, direct benefit pensions usw.

Supermac must be spinning! Or he would be if he knew how we had thrown it all away!

 

Those were the days , eh .....and all without the EU 

Baz
velvet donkey posted:
Carnelian posted:
Baz posted:
velvet donkey posted:

He's a nob.

 

No charge.

I totally agree Velvet  And he always looks like he needs a darn good wash 

Sorry Baz, your comment is so Daily Mail Online-esque it's painful!

Baz would run rings round you    

Not on this evidence.  A false prophet is a thing that we seem to have a bucket load of right now.  Trump, Farage, Farage's scouse mini me and Edward Hitler look alike.  

You want false prophets then the right has so many to choose.  So how about the liars who sold us the 'property owning democracy', 'the shareholding democracy', 'public bad - private good', 'privatising the utilities', 'less regulation = good regulation'.  All failed ideologies that have cost this country and its people dearly while enriching the elite.  

The right has been responsible for damaging this country beyond repair and after all its numerous failures, the latest bit of popularist false prophecy is blaming it all immigrants and the EU.

 

Carnelian

Given what that Chump said yesterday and bearing in mind what our own ex Premiership doctor has been saying I note that we may be entering a period of tyranny.

When people of responsibility or people who hope to have responsibility aren't bright enough to put forward an argument and wish to remove any criticism then we're in the clarts.

if it was up to these people we wouldn't keep our BBC and they would remove people like Brand overnight.

Garage Joe
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40 years of aspirational politics has robbed the working class, it claimed would be  emancipated from low aspirations of the 'heavy hand of the state'.

 

We're all middle class now.  The property owning/share holding democracy.  Let the managers manage and we'll all be better off.  Throw off the shackles of state dependency and free yourself to aspiration.  If you just pull yourself up by the bootstraps, your horizons have never been more broader.  

 

Working class 25 year olds can try taking their  'aspiration' to a bank as a deposit on a home and see exactly how far that gets them!

 

40 years of this popularist bullshit and home-ownership is in decline, rents are pauperising the young and final salary pensions are extinct for all but the fatcats.  

The ladder's been pulled up by the likes of Thatcher, Tebbit, Murdoch who preached aspiration while pulling up the ladder.  Then there were the crypto Tories like Blair, Mary Croeg, Peter Mandelson, Frank Field and Liz Kendall.

 

Blair spun a tweaked version of Tory line that if we let the bankers get on with it, with a relaxed regulation, then we can all benefit from the tax revenue but Blair added that the tax revenue would be channelled into helping all, especially the weakest.  The Third Way failed too, it was socialist state bail outs that kept the cash machines running.  

 

Brand is spot on so many of his observations.  

 

 

Carnelian
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velvet donkey posted:

He can still have his cake and eat it though.

So what!  He actually is an example of working class made good, by his own wit, charisma and intelligence.  Not like Cameron, handed everything on a plate and then sitting in Parliament wagging his finger at those without those establishment advantages.  

 

As a Tory, you should applaud Brand for being a risk taker and a self made man.  And for being his own man!

 

Unfortunately, you and I, velvet, can't do the same for reasons we know.  However, Brand is true to his working class roots and well aware of a value that Tories are devoid of.  The understanding that 'there but for the grace of God, go I'.

 

The reason why he's kept his left wing values when  other working class made good drop there's like a lead balloon, is because he's a thoughtful empathetic humble man who's aware that he's been lucky in life and he may not have got his breaks.

 

Don't forget that Thatcher preached the work ethic while married to a millionaire.  IDS, much the same, while living rent free, in a mansion provided by his wife's parents.  

Carnelian
velvet donkey posted:

What exactly has Brand sacrificed for the cause? Answer: SFA. A riverside hoose with Gallagher's daughter and we all know that'll last going by the history of his middle stump.

 

At least Tony Benn resigned a seat in The Lords - and he was the only conviction politician I've seen in my lifetime. Unlike Hilary.

Very true ... on all counts 

Baz

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