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Yogi19 posted:

I agree with Gordon Buchanan and David Jason.

Can we do posthumous ones - then I could nominate the wonderful and much missed Victoria Wood. 

I was pondering that but it's very easy to give posthumous awards - we could go back a long way

So hope everyone is ok with the living?

Is Gordon Buchanan well known enough, do you think?

Saint

Posthumously, Rick Mayle, George Micheal both good guys

 

Danny Dyer - for being a top cocknee geeza 

 

Queen's Brian May - for speaking out for environmental issues and against injustices.

 

Girl called Jack [Monroe], for being a down to Earth single mother who became famous for her recipes on a shoestring, an outspoken voice against poverty

 

Prof Brian Cox for being able to articulate complex scientific theories so the layman can understand.

 

Carnelian
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Saint posted:
Yogi19 posted:

I agree with Gordon Buchanan and David Jason.

Can we do posthumous ones - then I could nominate the wonderful and much missed Victoria Wood. 

I was pondering that but it's very easy to give posthumous awards - we could go back a long way

So hope everyone is ok with the living?

Is Gordon Buchanan well known enough, do you think?

I’m okay with the living.

Gordon is well known with those of us who watch wildlife programmes but perhaps not with others.

Yogi19
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Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Why has no one proffered the name of David Bowie yet. His contribution to music and film along with other branches of the arts. Leaving a legacy which will endure for many centuries, well, not too many if the climate crises proves too much for the human race to endure.!

Has he been taken to the public's hearts and held in affection?

Respected - yes. Held in affection - hmmm?

Saint
Saint posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Why has no one proffered the name of David Bowie yet. His contribution to music and film along with other branches of the arts. Leaving a legacy which will endure for many centuries, well, not too many if the climate crises proves too much for the human race to endure.!

Has he been taken to the public's hearts and held in affection?

Respected - yes. Held in affection - hmmm?

140 Million record sales would suggest he is held in affection by a considerable number of people. 

 

It's quite hard to really define who and who is not held in the public's affection. A lot of the people who get held up as n.t's are being done so by the press and media, whether people genuinely like them is up for debate, we would need a referendum. 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities
Saint posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Why has no one proffered the name of David Bowie yet. His contribution to music and film along with other branches of the arts. Leaving a legacy which will endure for many centuries, well, not too many if the climate crises proves too much for the human race to endure.!

Has he been taken to the public's hearts and held in affection?

Respected - yes. Held in affection - hmmm?

Ermmmmm, yes, much affection. Bowie gets in.

 

as does Carnelian’s suggestion of Jack Munroe ... fabulous lady who has overcome many demons

Rexi
Rexi posted:

They’re all a bit ... old, and boring Rents.

 

How about a bit of Jools ... well, it is new year!?

They have to earned their place in people's affection - i guess that takes time.

National means they must be a household name too.

We could start a new list (in a  new thread) for "Nominated" National Treasures BUT that's soooo subjective to never reach an end

Saint
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Baz posted:
Saint posted:

1 Vera Lynn

2 Judi Dench

3 Michael Palin

4 Stephen Fry

5 Delia Smith

6 David Jason

7 Billy Connolly

8 Barbara Windsor

9 David Attenborough

 

 . . . and ten?

How about Agatha Christie ?

machel posted:

I am still thinking!  Wouldn’t agree with Barbara Windsor,   Pam Ayres?  Jessica Ennis? 

Agatha Christie is dead = no

Pam Ayres is good - hmmm - better than Michael McDonald, Paul McCartney, Jimmy Tarbuck, Gloria Hunniford, Esther Rantzen, Davina?

Saint
Saint posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

1 Vera Lynn

2 Judi Dench

3 Michael Palin

4 Stephen Fry

5 Delia Smith

6 David Jason

7 Billy Connolly

8 Barbara Windsor

9 David Attenborough

 

 . . . and ten?

How about Agatha Christie ?

machel posted:

I am still thinking!  Wouldn’t agree with Barbara Windsor,   Pam Ayres?  Jessica Ennis? 

Agatha Christie is dead = no

Pam Ayres is good - hmmm - better than Michael McDonald, Paul McCartney, Jimmy Tarbuck, Gloria Hunniford, Esther Rantzen, Davina?

No one has anybody like Pam, she is different, some of the above are all of the same 

machel
Syd posted:
Rexi posted:

They’re all a bit ... old, and boring Rents.

 

How about a bit of Jools ... well, it is new year!?

Love a bit of Jools at New Year, but the Rap is making my ears itch at the moment..............

The Stereophonics were as boring as ever.  Stormzy wasn't as good as his press has led me to believe.  Good to see The Selecter (old friends of the show) on again, for a bit of seasonal skank-along Ska.

Carnelian

1 Vera Lynn

2 Judi Dench

3 Michael Palin

4 Stephen Fry

5 Delia Smith

6 David Jason

7 Billy Connolly

8 Barbara Windsor

9 David Attenborough

10 Pam Ayres

11 Christopher Biggins

12 Paul McCartney

13 Trevor McDonald

14 Joanna Lumley

15

 

And one more required . . . it must be someone who is a household name and loved by the public on the whole - so not David Bowie or a politician.

Being respected, successful or a 'giant' in their field is not enough - nor is a currently popular fad - so no Robbie Williams or Emma Willis.

You don't have to 'like' them - only recognise they are home grown, instantly recognisable and raise a smile when mentioned.

And that they represent something quintessentially "British".

Saint
Saint posted:
Baz posted:
Moonie posted:
Saint posted:
Roxan posted:

Colin Firth?

Would we need to include Hugh Grant if we take Colin Firth?

Nope 

Nope from me too 

Aren't they kinda similar types of guys

Hunky-posh? Don't know if one is more "loved" than the other

Colin Firth, yes.
Hugh Grant....love his films but.... he is a plank, so NO.

Yogi19
Yogi19 posted:
Saint posted:
Baz posted:
Moonie posted:
Saint posted:
Roxan posted:

Colin Firth?

Would we need to include Hugh Grant if we take Colin Firth?

Nope 

Nope from me too 

Aren't they kinda similar types of guys

Hunky-posh? Don't know if one is more "loved" than the other

Colin Firth, yes.
Hugh Grant....love his films but.... he is a plank, so NO.

 

Moonie
Saint posted:

Not sure Colin is 'adored' by the public

Are you sure you're not just got the hots for The Firth?

I wouldn't say he is in particular.  I suppose the P&P thing 20 years ago got a lot of women in hot flushes and the Radio Times in a lather but other than that, meh!  He is a good actor beyond Mr Darcy, but I don't think he comes close to that national treasure thing that such people as David Attenborough have.

Carnelian

I still say Brian May, astronomer, very intelligent man, very thoughtful man, key guitarist in a much-loved band (personally, I'm not a fan of Queen or Brian May's guitar playing for that matter but millions are) environmental campaigner, animal rights campaigner.  An outspoken voice on social issues.

 

Gets my vote! 

 

Not really my thing but can't deny the talent

 

Carnelian
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Saint posted:

Now Carny -  i did say a huge talent, admired for their work 'may' not meet the criteria.

Is he a household name - adored by young and old alike, viewed with warmth and a smile by the majority?

Brain May ... Respect - yes but not a household name viewed with 'warmth'

 

What do others think?

I know what you mean, but we're at the end of 'not really quite a national treasure' end of 'national treasures'!   

 

This isn't my taste but Queen, Abba and the Beatles are probably the most popular bands with the public in general.  I would say Brian May if he isn't household name, is pretty close to being one.  Most people know who Brian May is.

I just respect him as an intelligent guy and as an ethical guy.  I'm not even a Queen fan. I don't think Brian May probably does qualify but he's not far off IMO.

 

Considering Colin Firth is in the mix! Definitely Brian May before Colin Firth!

Carnelian
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Carnelian posted:

We have to consider Paul McCartney - Macca if he hasn't been mentioned already.

 

What about Nicholas Parsons? - legend! 

El Loro posted:

Jenny Agutter (The Railway Children + Call the Midwife)

Paul McCartney is in there

BOTH these are excellent suggestions !!!   And in the list for serious consideration

Saint
Moonie posted:
Saint posted:
Moonie posted:

Jasper Carrott?

Interesting 

Is he 'loved' though?

 

If we hav Nicolas Parsons then we may need to include LESLIE PHILIPS 

ðŸĪ” fair enough question 

 

Kenneth Williams?

Kenneth Williams has been dead since the mid-80s if I recall.  Nicolas Parsons and Leslie Philips are still alive.

Carnelian
Carnelian posted:
Moonie posted:
Saint posted:
Moonie posted:

Jasper Carrott?

Interesting 

Is he 'loved' though?

 

If we hav Nicolas Parsons then we may need to include LESLIE PHILIPS 

ðŸĪ” fair enough question 

 

Kenneth Williams?

Kenneth Williams has been dead since the mid-80s if I recall.  Nicolas Parsons and Leslie Philips are still alive.

 

Moonie

1 Vera Lynn

2 Judi Dench

3 Michael Palin

4 Stephen Fry

5 Delia Smith

6 David Jason

7 Billy Connolly

8 Barbara Windsor

9 David Attenborough

10 Pam Ayres

11 Christopher Biggins

12 Paul McCartney

13 Trevor McDonald

14 Joanna Lumley

15 Cliff Richards

16 Virginia Wade

17 Jonny Ball

18 Julie Walters

19 David Suchet

20 Bernard Cribbens

21 Nicolas Parsons

22 Leslie Philips

23 Monty Don

24 

 

Let's make it 25 ... we need 2 women!!

Saint
Saint posted:

1 Vera Lynn

2 Judi Dench

3 Michael Palin

4 Stephen Fry

5 Delia Smith

6 David Jason

7 Billy Connolly

8 Barbara Windsor

9 David Attenborough

10 Pam Ayres

11 Christopher Biggins

12 Paul McCartney

13 Trevor McDonald

14 Joanna Lumley

15 Cliff Richards

16 Virginia Wade

17 Jonny Ball

18 Julie Walters

19 David Suchet

20 Bernard Cribbens

21 Nicolas Parsons

22 Leslie Philips

23 Monty Don

24 

 

Let's make it 25 ... we need 2 women!!

I can understand most ( though not my choice) but Monty instead of titchmarsh?  I would say Monty is too “recent”. and no Penelope Keith ðŸ˜ąðŸ˜ą

machel

1 Vera Lynn

2 Judi Dench

3 Michael Palin

4 Stephen Fry

5 Delia Smith

6 David Jason

7 Billy Connolly

8 Barbara Windsor

9 David Attenborough

10 Pam Ayres

11 Christopher Biggins

12 Paul McCartney

13 Trevor McDonald

14 Joanna Lumley

15 Cliff Richards

16 Virginia Wade

17 Jonny Ball

18 Julie Walters

19 David Suchet

20 Bernard Cribbens

21 Nicolas Parsons

22 Leslie Philips

23 Monty Don/Alan Titchmarsh

24 The Queen

 

 . . . and one more please - female

Saint
Saint posted:

1 Vera Lynn

2 Judi Dench

3 Michael Palin

4 Stephen Fry

5 Delia Smith

6 David Jason

7 Billy Connolly

8 Barbara Windsor

9 David Attenborough

10 Pam Ayres

11 Christopher Biggins

12 Paul McCartney

13 Trevor McDonald

14 Joanna Lumley

15 Cliff Richards

16 Virginia Wade

17 Jonny Ball

18 Julie Walters

19 David Suchet

20 Bernard Cribbens

21 Nicolas Parsons

22 Leslie Philips

23 Monty Don/Alan Titchmarsh

24 The Queen

 

 . . . and one more please - female

Ummmmmm I don’t much like her ...but how about Mary Berry .....or Jenifer Saunders ...or Dawn French ? 

Baz
Yogi19 posted:
Saint posted:

Is Titchmarsh loved?

 

What do people think of Penelope Keith?

Should the Queen go in there?

Yes to Monty, The Queen and Penelope.

 

Not overly keen on Titchmarsh

There are quite a few on the list I am not keen on but they could be considered “national treasures”,  I don’t rate Monty as a treasure whilst titchmarsh has longevity on his side a quality needed for national treasure status

machel
Saint posted:
machel posted:

Shirley Bassey ? 

Joan Hickson?

 

 

Joan Hickson is a wonderful suggestion and would have gone in but sadly she passed away some time ago. June Whitfield would also have been included but is no longer with us.

 

Shirley Bassey is a great suggestion - better than Joan Collins??

I loved both Joan hickson and June Whitfield ....but not sure either Bassey or Collins should be in there . How about Maggie Smith ?

Baz
Saint posted:

Aaah @Baz i was waiting for that name

Dunno where but i've got the impression she can be quite prickly, not sure if it's true though.

Is she endearing - you're right J. Collins and S. Bassey may not qualify in the endearing.

BUT hasn't Shirley Bassey hob-knobbed with Royalty and sang for them?

She may qualify

It's a toughie

I’m sure she can ....but she’s definitely a national treasure 

Baz

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