Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

I agree Renton 

Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

I agree Renton 

Just a different perspective from someone who emigrated for love. It’s hard to anticipate what it is like and how hard it will be to live in a different country, away from your loved ones, support system,  comforts. 

I have some sympathy for that reason although I don’t like the way it has been done, and I agree press coverage isn’t dying down any time soon. It is, however much friendlier to them on this side of the Atlantic. 

Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

I agree Renton 

Just a different perspective from someone who emigrated for love. It’s hard to anticipate what it is like and how hard it will be to live in a different country, away from your loved ones, support system,  comforts. 

I have some sympathy for that reason although I don’t like the way it has been done, and I agree press coverage isn’t dying down any time soon. It is, however much friendlier to them on this side of the Atlantic. 

@Roxan hope your husband is improving 

Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Football journalists are the worst Carnelian.

 

They think they can hire and fire.

 

Bunch of overpaid donuts.

 

Bet half of them have never kicked a ball.

 

 

velvet donkey posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Football journalists are the worst Carnelian.

 

They think they can hire and fire.

 

Bunch of overpaid donuts.

 

Bet half of them have never kicked a ball.

 

 

Football journos are often ex-pros and more often than not, ex Liverpool pros.  The worst they can do is push a manager toward the exit door.  Usually, football journos don't get that there's football beyond Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea.   Players on thousands per week can throw tantrums shove two fingers up to their manager (and supporters) until they get their new man.

Carnelian posted:
velvet donkey posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Football journalists are the worst Carnelian.

 

They think they can hire and fire.

 

Bunch of overpaid donuts.

 

Bet half of them have never kicked a ball.

 

 

Football journos are often ex-pros and more often than not, ex Liverpool pros.  The worst they can do is push a manager toward the exit door.  Usually, football journos don't get that there's football beyond Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea.   Players on thousands per week can throw tantrums shove two fingers up to their manager (and supporters) until they get their new man.

That's not what I'm talking about. Ever watched The Sunday Supplement.

Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

Yes...and probably limit their money making potential 🤣🤣🤣

Yogi19 posted:
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

Oh right 🤣🤣🤣❤️

Baz posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

Oh right 🤣🤣🤣❤️

I think he is still Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and she is Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Given all the branding and trademarking they have been doing I am sure they fought hard to keep the Dukedom!

Also, the statement is worded carefully, and over here they are interpreting it that they will keep the HRH title but may not use it, thus making it possible for them (him) to return to the fold if things don’t work out. Not sure?

It's all but an abdication with the 'luxury' of a vile press, continued public sympathy for Harry's Mum, use of the 'trendy need' for good mental health and "putting my family first" which most of modern society admires above "duty to Queen and country."

 

Clever

machel posted:

As a member of the armed forces you pledge your allegiance and obedience to the crown and all its heirs ......

Surely he has stepped back from his armed service patronages too.

How does the army feel about that?

And then he has decided to continue the Invictus Games - bit double standardy

velvet donkey posted:
Carnelian posted:
velvet donkey posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Football journalists are the worst Carnelian.

 

They think they can hire and fire.

 

Bunch of overpaid donuts.

 

Bet half of them have never kicked a ball.

 

 

Football journos are often ex-pros and more often than not, ex Liverpool pros.  The worst they can do is push a manager toward the exit door.  Usually, football journos don't get that there's football beyond Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea.   Players on thousands per week can throw tantrums shove two fingers up to their manager (and supporters) until they get their new man.

That's not what I'm talking about. Ever watched The Sunday Supplement.

No, what's "The Sunday Supplement"?

Saint posted:
machel posted:

As a member of the armed forces you pledge your allegiance and obedience to the crown and all its heirs ......

Surely he has stepped back from his armed service patronages too.

How does the army feel about that?

And then he has decided to continue the Invictus Games - bit double standardy

No - I don't think so. There's a difference here between official, honorary, appointments and private patronages. Harry doesn't actually have that many honorary military appointments (although one of them is Captain General of the Royal Marines - a title he gained recently from Prince Phillip - and I could understand if they might feel a little put out...).

However; Harry was also a serving officer - unlike some members of the Royal Family with honorary military appointments (not many, admittedly, but there are one or two...  ). Those sorts of links don't just disappear. 

 

It's always been my understanding that the Invictus Games was a personal project that came out of his experiences in - and after leaving - the army: it wasn't something he did just because "it was the done thing" or because it would look good. I'm sure that the veterans competing in future Games will be happy knowing that they will still have a veteran as their patron...

Yogi19 posted:
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

I've just been listening to a Canadian commentator, and one of the side-effects of this change - likely intentional - is that it tidies-up questions about Harry and Meghan's status in Canada. Although Canadians generally like and support the couple, there have been questions from constitutional experts regarding them moving to Canada. The Canadian monarchy has a history of being "hands-off" and reigning out-of-sight from afar: Canadians generally like the Royals and enjoy it when they visit, but a lot of them aren't so happy at the idea of having them there all the time...  That problem has now disappeared: when Harry and Meghan are living in Canada from now on, it will be as private residents, not as Royals...

Eugene's Lair posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

I've just been listening to a Canadian commentator, and one of the side-effects of this change - likely intentional - is that it tidies-up questions about Harry and Meghan's status in Canada. Although Canadians generally like and support the couple, there have been questions from constitutional experts regarding them moving to Canada. The Canadian monarchy has a history of being "hands-off" and reigning out-of-sight from afar: Canadians generally like the Royals and enjoy it when they visit, but a lot of them aren't so happy at the idea of having them there all the time...  That problem has now disappeared: when Harry and Meghan are living in Canada from now on, it will be as private residents, not as Royals...

Have you read the editorial in The Globe and Mail? I think you are right.

I am questioning their branding as “Sussex Royal”. If they are prohibited from profiting from the royal connection and have stepped back from the royal family, surely this is not appropriate?

I am fascinated by this turn of events!

 

Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

Oh right 🤣🤣🤣❤️

I think he is still Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and she is Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Given all the branding and trademarking they have been doing I am sure they fought hard to keep the Dukedom!

Also, the statement is worded carefully, and over here they are interpreting it that they will keep the HRH title but may not use it, thus making it possible for them (him) to return to the fold if things don’t work out. Not sure?

I think so too 

Eugene's Lair posted:
Saint posted:
machel posted:

As a member of the armed forces you pledge your allegiance and obedience to the crown and all its heirs ......

Surely he has stepped back from his armed service patronages too.

How does the army feel about that?

And then he has decided to continue the Invictus Games - bit double standardy

No - I don't think so. There's a difference here between official, honorary, appointments and private patronages. Harry doesn't actually have that many honorary military appointments (although one of them is Captain General of the Royal Marines - a title he gained recently from Prince Phillip - and I could understand if they might feel a little put out...).

However; Harry was also a serving officer - unlike some members of the Royal Family with honorary military appointments (not many, admittedly, but there are one or two...  ). Those sorts of links don't just disappear. 

 

It's always been my understanding that the Invictus Games was a personal project that came out of his experiences in - and after leaving - the army: it wasn't something he did just because "it was the done thing" or because it would look good. I'm sure that the veterans competing in future Games will be happy knowing that they will still have a veteran as their patron...

Official, honourary, in the country but also out, minor Royal yet independent.

It's a right Royal mess

Roxan posted:

I think he is still Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and she is Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Given all the branding and trademarking they have been doing I am sure they fought hard to keep the Dukedom!

Also, the statement is worded carefully, and over here they are interpreting it that they will keep the HRH title but may not use it, thus making it possible for them (him) to return to the fold if things don’t work out. Not sure?

Although the public debate at the moment is concentrating on what Harry and Meghan are losing, I think it's important to remember that it works both ways.

 

As a Royal commentator pointed out on the BBC today, Harry and Meghan leaving is a huge loss to the Royal "brand". It's widely recognised that the couple are popular with sections of the public that the Royal family traditionally has difficulty connecting with. The family - and the Queen in particular - would ideally like the couple (and I do mean couple) to return to the fold, and they will be desperate not to burn any bridges that might prevent that.

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