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Harry and Meghan have decided to step back as senior members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent.

 

It's suggested the Queen was not told this info before it was released to the public. Apparently.

 

Royal transition in making America Great (Britain) Again: -

Prince Harry marries an American - Archie is born - They all ‘retire’ to USA - Archie gets dual citizenship - Archie becomes King - Archie also elected as US President - USA is once again ruled by an English King

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This then may allow a move towards 'rationalising' the languages and see a gentle phasing out of the words "down time" and the irksome "outages".

 

We all hope it will also end the use of the phrase "Can i get" and see it replaced with the correct "May i have"

 

Saint

I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.

The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO. 

 

Yogi19
Yogi19 posted:

I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.

The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO. 

 

They do seem to want their cake and eat it.

 

Maybe that's why they used the phrase "stepping back"

Saint
Saint posted:
Yogi19 posted:

I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.

The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO. 

 

They do seem to want their cake and eat it.

 

Maybe that's why they used the phrase "stepping back"

Deserting would be more like it, though I can understand why with all the grief they seem to be getting from all quarters...

Moonie
Yogi19 posted:

I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.

The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO. 

 

 Tbh I have some sympathy for Harry .....given what happened to his mum....but I have none for her I’m afraid . I think she is a fame grabber , who got more than she bargained for ! I found the way she treated her dad appalling  But no doubt they will end up making a shed load of money trading in their *celebrity* in America . ..and I wonder how soon the kiss and tell stories will hit the media ! I hope the palace cuts them loose financially ...let them sink or swim on their own 

Baz
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Agree with every word Yogi has said.

 

Tbh I don't think Henry's that bright. Same goes for his brother but at least he's with the progamme.

 

Good riddance SussexRoyal although I'm holding out for my patented and copywritten mug and T-shirt. Hope there's a calendar.

VD

They seem to want all the privileges of royalty and none of the obligations. Meghan wanted to act the princess and be queen of the walk, but having to defer to William and Kate and being just the wife of a now minor royal didn't suit her at all. I originally gave the marriage five years, I'm now revising it to three before she ditches him

Kaytee
Kaytee posted:

They seem to want all the privileges of royalty and none of the obligations. Meghan wanted to act the princess and be queen of the walk, but having to defer to William and Kate and being just the wife of a now minor royal didn't suit her at all. I originally gave the marriage five years, I'm now revising it to three before she ditches him

That’s it in a nutshell, Kaytee. 

Yogi19
Yogi19 posted:
Roxan posted:

One thing for sure, the royal family won’t let any of the princes marry any more Americans! 

 After Wallis and Meghan, I can’t say I’d blame them.

Wallis had dress sense Yogi and so did he      

 

Sense is the operative word.

 

I don't believe Clarence House never knew beforehand. That is a closed shop.

VD
Saint posted:

Do you think their actions are correct/justified/just plain wrong?

Option 3

 

There might have been a certain amount of justification behind what they are wanting to do,building they are going about it in completely the wrong way!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:
Saint posted:

Do you think their actions are correct/justified/just plain wrong?

Option 3

 

There might have been a certain amount of justification behind what they are wanting to do,building they are going about it in completely the wrong way!

Baz

It's the "financially independent" bit that is revealing

 

Currently they are 'paid' for work they are told to do by the house of Windsor - so being financially independent means they'll make their own money by 'choosing' what they do.

 

In other words they won't do any more engagements for the family.

Can they be independent and be Royalty?

 

This seems as close to an abdication as it gets.

And if it is then is he a traitor to his country?

Saint
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Yogi19 posted:

I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.

The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO. 

 

agree 100% yogi - and shut the door on your way out

Rocking Ros Rose
Yogi19 posted:
Kaytee posted:

They seem to want all the privileges of royalty and none of the obligations. Meghan wanted to act the princess and be queen of the walk, but having to defer to William and Kate and being just the wife of a now minor royal didn't suit her at all. I originally gave the marriage five years, I'm now revising it to three before she ditches him

That’s it in a nutshell, Kaytee. 

yep agree

Rocking Ros Rose

Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:

"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."

 

I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.

He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.

It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.

Saint
Saint posted:

Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:

"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."

 

I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.

He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.

It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.

He is good friends with camilla

machel

I want to make clear that this isn't meant as criticism of the OP, as I'm well aware that the phrase is already "out there", but I really don't like the term "#MEGXIT". I've been listening to a number of commentators about this over the last few days, and I do agree with them that the use of this term feels like part of what has been a continuous low-level attack on Meghan by certain aspects of the media - basically designed to give the impression that this is all about her and it's all her fault.

 

Another example I've noticed today has been the way in which the reporting of Meghan returning to Canada has referred almost exclusively to Meghan "leaving" - giving the impression that she's abandoning Harry to face the music. There's been barely any mention of the fact that the two of them only came over to the UK at short notice when the story broke, and Meghan is returning to be with Archie. The real question should therefore be not why Meghan left, but why Harry didn't...

 

I think it's pretty clear to anyone who's aware of Harry's history with the press (particularly the way he was treated as a young adult and his thinly disguised hatred of them over the death of his mother) that he is likely an even bigger driver in this. Some Royal correspondents have observed that he's wanted out for a long time - it's only now that he thinks he's found a way of doing it...

Eugene's Lair
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Saint posted:

Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:

"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."

 

I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.

He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.

It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.

Pretty outrageous and inappropriate comments from Holmes, there. As I've said above, certain corners of the media do seem to think they can criticise Meghan in ways that they wouldn't dream of with other members of the Royal Family. 

 

Another example that occurs to me is the way Meghan got criticised for guest-editing Vogue. Some even called it "unprecedented", which was a flat out lie. Several Royals have edited magazines in the past, e.g. Prince Charles with Country Life, but they were never criticised for it - only Meghan... 

Eugene's Lair
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He's more of an errant Royal than she's an errant social climber.

 

In other words he knew the press, the demands of the job, the family, the hours and what's expected of a Royal ... she didn't.

And still married someone who now says she doesn't like what's happening.

Shouldn't she have been made aware before they "got serious"?

Saint

I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents. 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents. 

Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.

Saint
Saint posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents. 

Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.

Another Brexit 

Moonie
Moonie posted:
Saint posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents. 

Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.

Another Brexit 

The press are like a dog with a bone - so this one will never go away.

 

Associates trying to calm the storm by suggesting the Queen wanted to "streamline" the Monarchy anyway.

Streamline it into what?

There's Charles who aint a spring chicken.

And ... Edward (never see him around) and Anne (not exactly the positive face for the future). Andrew has retired as has the Duke of Edinburgh.

 

So the future is - William + Catherine .... and?

 

Basically it's a bluff

Saint
Saint posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents. 

Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.

To be fair, it's not something you see in the press everyday or even every year, just now and again. I bet there are generations coming through that have not even heard of them or what happened. Once those two have gone to Canada, you will hardly hear anything until they pop back here. I think I would do the same if I were them, looks like a controlled, stage managed life being a Royal. 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities

@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose

 

I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.

Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?

And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?

It's a mess

Saint
Saint posted:

@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose

 

I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.

Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?

And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?

It's a mess

I’m going to be seriously annoyed if they are allowed to retain their titles, status, security etc whilst becoming part-time celebrities. They are either in, or out - they shouldn’t be allowed to have their cake and eat it.....and I say that as someone who supports the institution of the monarchy.

 

Yogi19
Yogi19 posted:
Saint posted:

@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose

 

I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.

Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?

And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?

It's a mess

I’m going to be seriously annoyed if they are allowed to retain their titles, status, security etc whilst becoming part-time celebrities. They are either in, or out - they shouldn’t be allowed to have their cake and eat it.....and I say that as someone who supports the institution of the monarchy.

 

I totally agree Yogi

Baz
Moonie posted:
Saint posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents. 

Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.

Another Brexit 

I was watching the "Papers" review on the BBC News channel a couple of days ago, and the reviewers all agreed that while last year was all about Brexit, this year was shaping up as being all about the Royals. As Press folk themselves, they all also - despite ostensibly coming across as sympathetic to the Royals - seemed rather keen at the prospect...

 

The thing is that although the Golden Goose of Brexit isn't going to entirely disappear anytime soon, it's not to going to generate the same newspaper sales either. The Royals, in contrast, are a dead cert, and the Press can even pretend they're moving on from Brexit: after all, what represents the "United" Kingdom more than the Royal Family?

Eugene's Lair
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Saint posted:

@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose

 

I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.

Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?

And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?

It's a mess

The thing is, however, that the Royal Family isn't just the monarchy of the UK: it represents the monarchy of fifteen other countries as well - and that includes Canada...

Look at it in a global, "Commonwealth realms" context: Harry is only 5th in line to the throne (at the moment...), so his absence isn't going to be a huge loss to the UK monarchy. The Canadian monarchy, however, is stable and long-established, and yet - AFAIK - has never had a resident Royal. Think of the boost it would get from having Harry and Meghan move there...

 

[Fun Fact: the Canadian monarchy is not only one of the oldest continuing monarchies in the world; it's actually run continuously for longer than the UK monarchy.

(The series of French Kings who ruled over their "Colony of Canada" overlaps the Cromwell era...)]

Eugene's Lair

My two cents worth ( because I can’t sleep!)

royalty is a way of life, you are born into it and yes it can be a burden ( think of the queens father). If you marry into it you become “one of them” and you toe the party line,  there is no room for divas or the male equivalent, you are to an extent faceless or “one person “ the monarchy is one and always united,  change has to be gradual 

machel

Whether it's the 'future'

Or their 'right'

Or has public sympathy

It's the attitude towards duty and honouring a historic role. 

To me it's akin to a captain abandoning ship cos he's fed up being a captain.

 

I wonder if they will be carrying out any Royal duties?

If not then to me it's an abdication and a betrayal of his position, family and the country

Saint
machel posted:

My two cents worth ( because I can’t sleep!)

royalty is a way of life, you are born into it and yes it can be a burden ( think of the queens father). If you marry into it you become “one of them” and you toe the party line,  there is no room for divas or the male equivalent, you are to an extent faceless or “one person “ the monarchy is one and always united,  change has to be gradual 

Saint posted:

Whether it's the 'future'

Or their 'right'

Or has public sympathy

It's the attitude towards duty and honouring a historic role. 

To me it's akin to a captain abandoning ship cos he's fed up being a captain.

 

I wonder if they will be carrying out any Royal duties?

If not then to me it's an abdication and a betrayal of his position, family and the country

I agree with both of you 

Baz
Saint posted:

Whether it's the 'future'

Or their 'right'

Or has public sympathy

It's the attitude towards duty and honouring a historic role. 

To me it's akin to a captain abandoning ship cos he's fed up being a captain.

 

I wonder if they will be carrying out any Royal duties?

If not then to me it's an abdication and a betrayal of his position, family and the country

Or they are not the captain and wife but an officer moving away from the top table and don’t like it

machel
machel posted:
Saint posted:

Whether it's the 'future'

Or their 'right'

Or has public sympathy

It's the attitude towards duty and honouring a historic role. 

To me it's akin to a captain abandoning ship cos he's fed up being a captain.

 

I wonder if they will be carrying out any Royal duties?

If not then to me it's an abdication and a betrayal of his position, family and the country

Or they are not the captain and wife but an officer moving away from the top table and don’t like it

Oh it's pecking order for sure

Saint
Roxan posted:

Can I just say how much I loathe Piers Morgan? Shut up you arrogant, divisive toad!

I still feel that Prince Andrew is far worse news for the royal family than the Sussexes. He must be so happy the narrative has shifted from him so quickly. Media sure are feeding the reaction to these two. From a distance, I am finding it hard to decide exactly what is going on through all the bullc**p being thrown around by the press and their so called “palace insider” exclusives..

Excuse my tone, my husband has been in intensive care for the last few days and I am a bit punchy. 

Omg Roxan ....is he ok ?

Baz
Roxan posted:

Hi sorry shouldn’t have gone off topic here. He is improving, something blocking blood flow to intestines. He has been nil by mouth to get the swelling down so they can do an endoscopy because they don’t know what is causing it. 

Awww Roxan ....I hope they can sort it out quickly ...you must be so worried ....and no apology needed 

Baz
Roxan posted:

Hi sorry shouldn’t have gone off topic here. He is improving, something blocking blood flow to intestines. He has been nil by mouth to get the swelling down so they can do an endoscopy because they don’t know what is causing it. 

Hopefully, the endoscopy will show what is causing the blockage and they can sort it out for him 

Yogi19

@Former Member my Mum was in Critical care for several days with a perforated intestine and a further 3 months before her operation.

It's a terrifying time but luckily she made a full recovery

Please go off topic all you like - take care x 

Saint
Roxan posted:

So from here, through filtered press reports, it seems like people are far more bothered by the Sussexes decision than by Prince Andrew. Is that true do you think?

Hi Roxan How is your husband doing ? 

Although the Sussex’s seem to have caused more consternation at the moment , I think both have probably been given equal news space 

Baz

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned? 

Saint
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Baz
Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Me three!

The FBI have no plans to call him to testify, major strings being pulled on the diplomatic front I feel...

 

Playing devil’s advocate to a certain extent, it is possible there is no evidence against him, hence no plans to call him to testify.

I’m not a fan of Prince Andrew but he does seem to have been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion/media, on the basis of a single photograph and an unsubstantiated accusation. He hasn’t been convicted or even charged with anything. 

Yogi19
Baz posted:
Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Me three!

The FBI have no plans to call him to testify, major strings being pulled on the diplomatic front I feel...

 

 

I read that as the fbi weren’t calling Roxan 

Baz
Roxan posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Me three!

The FBI have no plans to call him to testify, major strings being pulled on the diplomatic front I feel...

 

Playing devil’s advocate to a certain extent, it is possible there is no evidence against him, hence no plans to call him to testify.

I’m not a fan of Prince Andrew but he does seem to have been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion/media, on the basis of a single photograph and an unsubstantiated accusation. He hasn’t been convicted or even charged with anything. 

I said to testify, as a witness. Several of the victims named him as having information about Maxwell and Epstein but the FBI won’t pursue it.

Sorry, I misread your post. 

Yogi19
Saint posted:

Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:

"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."

 

I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.

He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.

It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.

I do agree with you Saint. However, we all do it, just not in such a public way. 

 

What did make me laugh was the clip allegedly showing Harry touting his missuses voice-over credentails to the head of Disney. If it's true, it's a super-cringeworthy-sad thing to do.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities
Saint posted:

@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose

 

I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.

Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?

And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?

It's a mess

I guess, some of those who are not Royalists may be proud to be British (we would need to ask them). Personally, the Royals are not the epicentre of Britishness for me.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Saint posted:

Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:

"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."

 

I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.

He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.

It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.

I do agree with you Saint. However, we all do it, just not in such a public way. 

 

What did make me laugh was the clip allegedly showing Harry touting his missuses voice-over credentails to the head of Disney. If it's true, it's a super-cringeworthy-sad thing to do.

Nothing would surprise me EC I am sure I read somewhere they’ve already considered going on Oprah 

Baz
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Saint posted:

Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:

"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."

 

I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.

He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.

It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.

I do agree with you Saint. However, we all do it, just not in such a public way

 

What did make me laugh was the clip allegedly showing Harry touting his missuses voice-over credentails to the head of Disney. If it's true, it's a super-cringeworthy-sad thing to do.

He's a journalist, broadcasting on a radio station.

All he was doing was spouting unhelpful spite towards a person he doesn't know and has never met.

It's unprofessional and childish.

He needs to grow up  ... and that's something coming from me 

Saint
Saint posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Saint posted:

Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:

"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."

 

I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.

He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.

It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.

I do agree with you Saint. However, we all do it, just not in such a public way

 

What did make me laugh was the clip allegedly showing Harry touting his missuses voice-over credentails to the head of Disney. If it's true, it's a super-cringeworthy-sad thing to do.

He's a journalist, broadcasting on a radio station.

All he was doing was spouting unhelpful spite towards a person he doesn't know and has never met.

It's unprofessional and childish.

He needs to grow up  ... and that's something coming from me 

 

Moonie

Good luck to them and I can't blame them at all for sticking two fingers up to our vile and racist right-wing press.

 

The press need them to fill their useless rags with royal gossip and to use their archive photos in their crappy souvenir editions.  Harry and Meghan have got sick of the press's split personality between fawning sycophancy when it suits and snide attacks when it suits - mostly at Meghan's expense.  Harry is doing right by his wife rather than throwing her under the bus to the delight of tabloid editors. They aren't playing ball - good luck to them.

Carnelian
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Carny - the Sussex's are just as much cannon fodder if they choose to pursue a celebrity lifestyle elsewhere.

They could have chosen to live out a quieter life, do the Royal things they do in a subdued manner and leave it at that.

If all you get is a thank you and a no comment then the stories will fizzle out.

 

By doing what they've done, it's counter productive - it's increasing scrutiny and stories.

Is racism the real reason OR used as a reason to go elsewhere and live by their rules.

 

I honestly think that is the truth. They're bored of what being a Royal means and want freedom to do as they please.

It's an abdication by the back door.

Saint
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Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Saint posted:

@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose

 

I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.

Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?

And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?

It's a mess

I guess, some of those who are not Royalists may be proud to be British (we would need to ask them). Personally, the Royals are not the epicentre of Britishness for me.

I'm not a royalist, I don't agree with the institution on ethical grounds that it is a throwback to feudalism. I don't agree with the so-called "church of England" deferring to a monarch either. 

 

There are lots of reasons to be proud of this country but I expect mine don't generally match the general ideas of patriotism of most.  There are lots of reasons to be ashamed of being British too.  In my mind, royalty plays a very small part in both those feelings.

Carnelian
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Saint posted:

Carny - the Sussex's are just as much cannon fodder if they choose to pursue a celebrity lifestyle elsewhere.

They could have chosen to live out a quieter life, do the Royal things they do in a subdued manner and leave it at that.

If all you get is a thank you and a no comment then the stories will fizzle out.

 

By doing what they've done, it's counter productive - it's increasing scrutiny and stories.

Is racism the real reason OR used as a reason to go elsewhere and live by their rules.

 

I honestly think that is the truth. They're bored of what being a Royal means and want freedom to do as they please.

It's an abdication by the back door.

The racism is definately there and press pander to it, as they always have.  

 

I tend to agree, they probably are bored with it.  After all, he's not going to be king!  Charles is what?  70 by now?  The queen won't abdicate because she's full of her own self-importance and loves the sycophancy.  We don't live in the middle ages, the country isn't going sink into the sea if she abdicates.

 

I always thought Meghan gave up a lot to be in the royal gilded cage.  Being independently wealthy and living a good showbiz life.  Swapping a more meritocratic branch of celebrity with freedoms for one of no meritocracy but plenty of institutional straight jackets. 

 

I don't blame them for wanting out, they don't need the hassle and one half doesn't deserve the constant snipes and judgement by tabloid hypocrites.  The media want a demure, Laura Ashley royal baby-making English rose archetype.  Meghan's her own woman and is not having that - and they hate her for it.  

Carnelian

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Saint

 

The BBC were doing their bit to keep the story going, having shipped out a journalist, who is on the spot, asking the general public their opinions.

 

They seems to want to have their cake an eat it.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

I agree Renton 

Baz
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Carnelian
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Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Saint
Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

I agree Renton 

Just a different perspective from someone who emigrated for love. It’s hard to anticipate what it is like and how hard it will be to live in a different country, away from your loved ones, support system,  comforts. 

I have some sympathy for that reason although I don’t like the way it has been done, and I agree press coverage isn’t dying down any time soon. It is, however much friendlier to them on this side of the Atlantic. 

@Former Member hope your husband is improving 

Saint
Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Carnelian
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Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Football journalists are the worst Carnelian.

 

They think they can hire and fire.

 

Bunch of overpaid donuts.

 

Bet half of them have never kicked a ball.

 

 

VD
velvet donkey posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Football journalists are the worst Carnelian.

 

They think they can hire and fire.

 

Bunch of overpaid donuts.

 

Bet half of them have never kicked a ball.

 

 

Football journos are often ex-pros and more often than not, ex Liverpool pros.  The worst they can do is push a manager toward the exit door.  Usually, football journos don't get that there's football beyond Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea.   Players on thousands per week can throw tantrums shove two fingers up to their manager (and supporters) until they get their new man.

Carnelian
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Carnelian posted:
velvet donkey posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Football journalists are the worst Carnelian.

 

They think they can hire and fire.

 

Bunch of overpaid donuts.

 

Bet half of them have never kicked a ball.

 

 

Football journos are often ex-pros and more often than not, ex Liverpool pros.  The worst they can do is push a manager toward the exit door.  Usually, football journos don't get that there's football beyond Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea.   Players on thousands per week can throw tantrums shove two fingers up to their manager (and supporters) until they get their new man.

That's not what I'm talking about. Ever watched The Sunday Supplement.

VD
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

Kaytee
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

Yogi19
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

Yes...and probably limit their money making potential 🤣🤣🤣

Baz
Yogi19 posted:
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

Oh right 🤣🤣🤣❤️

Baz

It's all but an abdication with the 'luxury' of a vile press, continued public sympathy for Harry's Mum, use of the 'trendy need' for good mental health and "putting my family first" which most of modern society admires above "duty to Queen and country."

 

Clever

Saint
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machel posted:

As a member of the armed forces you pledge your allegiance and obedience to the crown and all its heirs ......

Surely he has stepped back from his armed service patronages too.

How does the army feel about that?

And then he has decided to continue the Invictus Games - bit double standardy

Saint
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velvet donkey posted:
Carnelian posted:
velvet donkey posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:
Carnelian posted:
Saint posted:

Do you not think Harry should have had a ruddy good chat to her and said 'exactly' what being in the Royal family means.

If not he should have - she should have known exactly what was going to happen (I don't agree with the press either) and exactly what her role would entail.

It's the very least he should have done, no?

 

Is it really going to be any different in Canada - the UK press can see Canada y'know.

I think it's wanting freedom NOT wanting privacy. And with the freedom comes all the same publicity

Not really!  The press hounded his mother and arguably their pursuit of her led to her tragic death.  That's bound to have a defining impact on him.

 

Harry laying down the law to his future wife is a bit... well, arrogant and 19th century, to say the least!  Maybe he doesn't want to lay down the law in that way and likes his wife's attitude!  Heaven forbid he might like her for her views and personality rather than her attributes as a baby-producing-machine for the firm!

 

I think when it comes to media, our media is among the worst right-wing, sanctimonious, hypocritical, bread and circuses, judgemental and anti-intellectual media there is in the whole world!  The media in Canada will be a walk in the park compared to our vile media.

 

 

Didn't mean it like that - i meant with insight she may have been more prepared

Meghan doesn't come across as naive in the same way that might be said of Diana.  Aside from being considerably older than Diana at marriage and almost certainly more world-wise than Diana.  I'm not a royalist but I like that Harry seems his own man, I don't think Meghan entered the thing without her eyes open to the media's agenda in the US and UK.  I'm not sure that anyone can be prepared for the UK media's attack dogs. 

 

Our media is absolutely vicious!  Our media hacks into the mobile phone of a murdered 13-year-old girl.  Our media is repugnant and a disgrace to our country.

Football journalists are the worst Carnelian.

 

They think they can hire and fire.

 

Bunch of overpaid donuts.

 

Bet half of them have never kicked a ball.

 

 

Football journos are often ex-pros and more often than not, ex Liverpool pros.  The worst they can do is push a manager toward the exit door.  Usually, football journos don't get that there's football beyond Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea.   Players on thousands per week can throw tantrums shove two fingers up to their manager (and supporters) until they get their new man.

That's not what I'm talking about. Ever watched The Sunday Supplement.

No, what's "The Sunday Supplement"?

Carnelian
Saint posted:
machel posted:

As a member of the armed forces you pledge your allegiance and obedience to the crown and all its heirs ......

Surely he has stepped back from his armed service patronages too.

How does the army feel about that?

And then he has decided to continue the Invictus Games - bit double standardy

No - I don't think so. There's a difference here between official, honorary, appointments and private patronages. Harry doesn't actually have that many honorary military appointments (although one of them is Captain General of the Royal Marines - a title he gained recently from Prince Phillip - and I could understand if they might feel a little put out...).

However; Harry was also a serving officer - unlike some members of the Royal Family with honorary military appointments (not many, admittedly, but there are one or two...  ). Those sorts of links don't just disappear. 

 

It's always been my understanding that the Invictus Games was a personal project that came out of his experiences in - and after leaving - the army: it wasn't something he did just because "it was the done thing" or because it would look good. I'm sure that the veterans competing in future Games will be happy knowing that they will still have a veteran as their patron...

Eugene's Lair
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Yogi19 posted:
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

I've just been listening to a Canadian commentator, and one of the side-effects of this change - likely intentional - is that it tidies-up questions about Harry and Meghan's status in Canada. Although Canadians generally like and support the couple, there have been questions from constitutional experts regarding them moving to Canada. The Canadian monarchy has a history of being "hands-off" and reigning out-of-sight from afar: Canadians generally like the Royals and enjoy it when they visit, but a lot of them aren't so happy at the idea of having them there all the time...  That problem has now disappeared: when Harry and Meghan are living in Canada from now on, it will be as private residents, not as Royals...

Eugene's Lair
Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Kaytee posted:
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Harry and Meghan will not use HRH titles - palace

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

 
 

Does that mean they won't be Duke and Duchess or Prince and Princess and be like Anne's kids, plain Mr & Mrs Wales or Windsor? That would lower their aspirations to be rich,famous ,super celebs

They are now Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Unfortunately, they have only lost their HRH.

Oh right 🤣🤣🤣❤️

I think he is still Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and she is Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Given all the branding and trademarking they have been doing I am sure they fought hard to keep the Dukedom!

Also, the statement is worded carefully, and over here they are interpreting it that they will keep the HRH title but may not use it, thus making it possible for them (him) to return to the fold if things don’t work out. Not sure?

I think so too 

Yogi19
Eugene's Lair posted:
Saint posted:
machel posted:

As a member of the armed forces you pledge your allegiance and obedience to the crown and all its heirs ......

Surely he has stepped back from his armed service patronages too.

How does the army feel about that?

And then he has decided to continue the Invictus Games - bit double standardy

No - I don't think so. There's a difference here between official, honorary, appointments and private patronages. Harry doesn't actually have that many honorary military appointments (although one of them is Captain General of the Royal Marines - a title he gained recently from Prince Phillip - and I could understand if they might feel a little put out...).

However; Harry was also a serving officer - unlike some members of the Royal Family with honorary military appointments (not many, admittedly, but there are one or two...  ). Those sorts of links don't just disappear. 

 

It's always been my understanding that the Invictus Games was a personal project that came out of his experiences in - and after leaving - the army: it wasn't something he did just because "it was the done thing" or because it would look good. I'm sure that the veterans competing in future Games will be happy knowing that they will still have a veteran as their patron...

Official, honourary, in the country but also out, minor Royal yet independent.

It's a right Royal mess

Saint
Roxan posted:

I think he is still Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and she is Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Given all the branding and trademarking they have been doing I am sure they fought hard to keep the Dukedom!

Also, the statement is worded carefully, and over here they are interpreting it that they will keep the HRH title but may not use it, thus making it possible for them (him) to return to the fold if things don’t work out. Not sure?

Although the public debate at the moment is concentrating on what Harry and Meghan are losing, I think it's important to remember that it works both ways.

 

As a Royal commentator pointed out on the BBC today, Harry and Meghan leaving is a huge loss to the Royal "brand". It's widely recognised that the couple are popular with sections of the public that the Royal family traditionally has difficulty connecting with. The family - and the Queen in particular - would ideally like the couple (and I do mean couple) to return to the fold, and they will be desperate not to burn any bridges that might prevent that.

Eugene's Lair

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