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Saint posted:

@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose

 

I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.

Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?

And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?

It's a mess

The thing is, however, that the Royal Family isn't just the monarchy of the UK: it represents the monarchy of fifteen other countries as well - and that includes Canada...

Look at it in a global, "Commonwealth realms" context: Harry is only 5th in line to the throne (at the moment...), so his absence isn't going to be a huge loss to the UK monarchy. The Canadian monarchy, however, is stable and long-established, and yet - AFAIK - has never had a resident Royal. Think of the boost it would get from having Harry and Meghan move there...

 

[Fun Fact: the Canadian monarchy is not only one of the oldest continuing monarchies in the world; it's actually run continuously for longer than the UK monarchy.

(The series of French Kings who ruled over their "Colony of Canada" overlaps the Cromwell era...)]

Eugene's Lair

My two cents worth ( because I can’t sleep!)

royalty is a way of life, you are born into it and yes it can be a burden ( think of the queens father). If you marry into it you become β€œone of them” and you toe the party line,  there is no room for divas or the male equivalent, you are to an extent faceless or β€œone person β€œ the monarchy is one and always united,  change has to be gradual 

machel

Whether it's the 'future'

Or their 'right'

Or has public sympathy

It's the attitude towards duty and honouring a historic role. 

To me it's akin to a captain abandoning ship cos he's fed up being a captain.

 

I wonder if they will be carrying out any Royal duties?

If not then to me it's an abdication and a betrayal of his position, family and the country

Saint
machel posted:

My two cents worth ( because I can’t sleep!)

royalty is a way of life, you are born into it and yes it can be a burden ( think of the queens father). If you marry into it you become β€œone of them” and you toe the party line,  there is no room for divas or the male equivalent, you are to an extent faceless or β€œone person β€œ the monarchy is one and always united,  change has to be gradual 

Saint posted:

Whether it's the 'future'

Or their 'right'

Or has public sympathy

It's the attitude towards duty and honouring a historic role. 

To me it's akin to a captain abandoning ship cos he's fed up being a captain.

 

I wonder if they will be carrying out any Royal duties?

If not then to me it's an abdication and a betrayal of his position, family and the country

I agree with both of you 

Baz
Saint posted:

Whether it's the 'future'

Or their 'right'

Or has public sympathy

It's the attitude towards duty and honouring a historic role. 

To me it's akin to a captain abandoning ship cos he's fed up being a captain.

 

I wonder if they will be carrying out any Royal duties?

If not then to me it's an abdication and a betrayal of his position, family and the country

Or they are not the captain and wife but an officer moving away from the top table and don’t like it

machel
machel posted:
Saint posted:

Whether it's the 'future'

Or their 'right'

Or has public sympathy

It's the attitude towards duty and honouring a historic role. 

To me it's akin to a captain abandoning ship cos he's fed up being a captain.

 

I wonder if they will be carrying out any Royal duties?

If not then to me it's an abdication and a betrayal of his position, family and the country

Or they are not the captain and wife but an officer moving away from the top table and don’t like it

Oh it's pecking order for sure

Saint

Can I just say how much I loathe Piers Morgan? Shut up you arrogant, divisive toad!

I still feel that Prince Andrew is far worse news for the royal family than the Sussexes. He must be so happy the narrative has shifted from him so quickly. Media sure are feeding the reaction to these two. From a distance, I am finding it hard to decide exactly what is going on through all the bullc**p being thrown around by the press and their so called β€œpalace insider” exclusives..

Excuse my tone, my husband has been in intensive care for the last few days and I am a bit punchy. 

Roxan
Roxan posted:

Can I just say how much I loathe Piers Morgan? Shut up you arrogant, divisive toad!

I still feel that Prince Andrew is far worse news for the royal family than the Sussexes. He must be so happy the narrative has shifted from him so quickly. Media sure are feeding the reaction to these two. From a distance, I am finding it hard to decide exactly what is going on through all the bullc**p being thrown around by the press and their so called β€œpalace insider” exclusives..

Excuse my tone, my husband has been in intensive care for the last few days and I am a bit punchy. 

Omg Roxan ....is he ok ?

Baz
Roxan posted:

Hi sorry shouldn’t have gone off topic here. He is improving, something blocking blood flow to intestines. He has been nil by mouth to get the swelling down so they can do an endoscopy because they don’t know what is causing it. 

Awww Roxan ....I hope they can sort it out quickly ...you must be so worried ....and no apology needed 

Baz
Roxan posted:

Hi sorry shouldn’t have gone off topic here. He is improving, something blocking blood flow to intestines. He has been nil by mouth to get the swelling down so they can do an endoscopy because they don’t know what is causing it. 

Hopefully, the endoscopy will show what is causing the blockage and they can sort it out for him 

Yogi19
Roxan posted:

So from here, through filtered press reports, it seems like people are far more bothered by the Sussexes decision than by Prince Andrew. Is that true do you think?

Hi Roxan How is your husband doing ? 

Although the Sussex’s seem to have caused more consternation at the moment , I think both have probably been given equal news space 

Baz
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Baz
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Me three!

The FBI have no plans to call him to testify, major strings being pulled on the diplomatic front I feel...

 

Roxan
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Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Me three!

The FBI have no plans to call him to testify, major strings being pulled on the diplomatic front I feel...

 

Playing devil’s advocate to a certain extent, it is possible there is no evidence against him, hence no plans to call him to testify.

I’m not a fan of Prince Andrew but he does seem to have been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion/media, on the basis of a single photograph and an unsubstantiated accusation. He hasn’t been convicted or even charged with anything. 

Yogi19
Baz posted:
Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Me three!

The FBI have no plans to call him to testify, major strings being pulled on the diplomatic front I feel...

 

 

I read that as the fbi weren’t calling Roxan 

Baz
Yogi19 posted:
Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Me three!

The FBI have no plans to call him to testify, major strings being pulled on the diplomatic front I feel...

 

Playing devil’s advocate to a certain extent, it is possible there is no evidence against him, hence no plans to call him to testify.

I’m not a fan of Prince Andrew but he does seem to have been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion/media, on the basis of a single photograph and an unsubstantiated accusation. He hasn’t been convicted or even charged with anything. 

I said to testify, as a witness. Several of the victims named him as having information about Maxwell and Epstein but the FBI won’t pursue it.

Roxan
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Baz posted:
Baz posted:
Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Me three!

The FBI have no plans to call him to testify, major strings being pulled on the diplomatic front I feel...

 

 

I read that as the fbi weren’t calling Roxan 

Roxan
Roxan posted:
Yogi19 posted:
Roxan posted:
Baz posted:
Saint posted:

I think the Prince Andrew mess has been utterly swept under the carpet by the Royals and as it's probably in some sort of legal process the press are being careful what they say.

The Royals want Andrew to fade into the background.

I wonder if Harry's announcement was strategically planned

The cynic in me wondered that too Renton 

Me three!

The FBI have no plans to call him to testify, major strings being pulled on the diplomatic front I feel...

 

Playing devil’s advocate to a certain extent, it is possible there is no evidence against him, hence no plans to call him to testify.

I’m not a fan of Prince Andrew but he does seem to have been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion/media, on the basis of a single photograph and an unsubstantiated accusation. He hasn’t been convicted or even charged with anything. 

I said to testify, as a witness. Several of the victims named him as having information about Maxwell and Epstein but the FBI won’t pursue it.

Sorry, I misread your post. 

Yogi19
Saint posted:

Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:

"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."

 

I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.

He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.

It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.

I do agree with you Saint. However, we all do it, just not in such a public way. 

 

What did make me laugh was the clip allegedly showing Harry touting his missuses voice-over credentails to the head of Disney. If it's true, it's a super-cringeworthy-sad thing to do.

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