Nathan has been in DRoom.
Bedroom.
Reassuring words from Mario to Ben.
(comment - I imagine the efforts of some people to persuade Mario to desert, or at least withdraw, from his friend Ben, will only have served to further unite him to Ben.)
Nice words from Mario to Ben when they settle down in bed. And a wink from Ben.
Shabby sits with her mucky feet on the dining table.
Shabby: "They are using JJ as a tool."   (comment - who is?)
Shabby thinks Mario is the only person in "that group" who has any genuine feelings.
Goven is in his element.
Shabby says (in an amazed voice)  "They want me out."
Shabby and Caoimhe continue to slate the enemy and reassure each other.  Actually not each other. It seems that they both accept Shabby may be a target - but not Caoimhe.

Caoimhe says there will be no more "touchy-feely" with Ben. "He is not coming near me."
The both agree that Steve knows "who is real".
Shabby is now picking at her toe-nails on the kitchen table.
Shabby says she is not going to ingratiate herself with JJ (as the other group are doing), she is going to have to trust JJ will make a good call on this.
Shabby is pleased that Ben does not now "have the upper hand."
Caoimhe and Shabby at smoking area.
Caoimhe recalling how she said to Ben "She's upset because you drove her to it Ben."
Then she added a couple more comments which she withdrew saying "no I didn't say that."
They are getting intoxicated on the idea of defeating the enemy.
JJ (on sofas) talking to Dave speaking of his dilemma - who does he trust? Goven or Ben?
"How do I know?"
Josie still lurking with a smile - and a yawn - on her face. Ife and Govan arrive.
JJ says he was talking about Ben and conversations they have had.
Goven asks - pointedly - "Did you argue?"
Govan further trying to influence JJ against Ben.
Josie says "Why are we even worried about him? F*** it".
She giggles  and is eating something
Shabby joins them and flops on the sofa.
Shabby asks for a fit girl (and pats her groin.)
Josie thinks her mates, who will be viewing, will be "well proud" of her.
She thinks she has grown up.


JJ tells Shabby and Josie  that he can be made so angry that he probably would be "ejected."
Caoimhe is also there - not clear when she arrived.

JJ asks Govan if he thinks after the series ends if everybody be friends again.
Govan thinks there may be even more conflict.

Sunshine has been noticeable by her absence tonight. As has Corin.

JJ is eating his mike.
Dave leaning towards JJ.
Dave gets up and says goodnight.
On Dave's exit Govan immediately whispers something to Josie. (I can't see JJ - maybe he left when they cut to the bedroom.)

Josie and Govan remain - thumb sucking and giggling and whispering.
Goven "He was out of order; he was out of order." (Who is "he"?)
Josie "I did quite fancy John before today".

This scene has "something of the night" about it.
Bedroom. Jj now in bed next to Mario. Thinking, blinking, eyes open.

Sofas. Govan and Josie both need a "s***" (bowel movement).
Goven belches. Josie says "Let's go to bed."

Bathroom.
Shabby in the bath complete with hat.
Ife and Caoimhe lounging around.

Bedroom. Josie speaking (loudly) to JJ.
JJ says "If you do one more thing wrong...."
Talking  in the bedroom is loud - no attempt to consider the sleepers.
Oh dear - and now a re-run of the JJ/Josie incident from earlier in the day.
And the banter / flirting continues......
Govan interrupts with a few words of wisdom.

....and on.... and on between Josie and JJ.... (not softened to consider the sleepers but normal volume.)
JJ tells Josie she is hs mate and she has now had her last warning.
....and on and on..... the same ground being covered..... and on...."because you're my mate" repeats JJ ..... and on......
(Is this what flirting is like? I've forgotten.)
JJ is now out of bed.

Bathroom.
Shabby. Bra pants bow tie and hat.!!!

Bedroom. Dave embraces Ben in a "goodnight".  (Did he wake him to do that?)
Now this is unusual---- Govan lays alongside Ben and whispers - in a gossipy fashion of course.

Watching Goven whispering to Ben in this fashion is cringe-worthy.
Why? and what is being said? It is too quiet to hear.
Oh dear, Ben is whispering to Goven. Sounds like he is trying to explain something.
(Now is that wise. What will Govan do with this information?)
Ben says he is sure to be up.
(But why would somebody who has showen anymosity towards Ben now be lying with him and whispering furtively?)

(I find this difficult to describe, because I want to smack somebody.)
Is Ben actually going to confide in Govan??

It's astonishing isn't it brisket!  Govan really needs a sedative I think! And as I write he's up again and helping Ife clean in the kitchen!!  He is talking so fast it is totally incomprehensible! 

(comment - If he was awake I think Mario might be advising Ben to call a halt to this conversation)

The bathroom trio prepare to leave the bathroom.
Ben visits toilet and returns to bed.

Kitchen. Govan and Ife chat but are interrupted.
Ife says she is "so in love with Govan he is such a lovely guy. I want to be his big sister.".
Govan takes a mop and bleach to somewhere.
He returns to Ben's bed to whisper.
In his brief chat to Ife was he having doubts?  He seemed to be trying to suggest to Ife (who would be the most approachable of the bathroom trio) that maybe the anti-Ben argument should be reconsidered, or at least tempered.
Does Govan wear a mike? His whispering is inaudible.
I heard Govan say "Josie"
Then they mention sunshine.
Oh dear Oh dear. How to report this fairly.....

It's impossible to report fairly brisket. The Ben/Govan whisperings are more than impeded by Steve's monumental snoring.

My take is that it is like a nominations summit meeting between the groups before they declare war!

Thanks so much Xochi.
You have no idea how much your  presence and remarks are helpful.
Sorry!  I think you do.
I'm finding it difficult tonight.
Keeping opinion and straight reporting separate is not always easy.
I tear my hair out over Govan.
I appreciate your words.

Govan whispers with Ben and now he chats with Shabby.
Goven seems keen to minimise the damage, but Shabby is totally entrenched and will not budge in her view of Ben.
It appears that Govan is trying to slightly shift his own position to save his own neck.
He tells Shabby that "Never once has he come to me and slagged you off".
I suspect (opinion) damage limitation on Govan's part  - to save himself.
Goven tells Shabby he thinks there are people who are more unpleasant than Ben.
She doesn't agree.
But one result of that conversation has (already) been that Shabby has doubts over Govan's loyalty to her gang, evidenced by Shabby whispering to one of them.
(I think Shabby will now have doubt about Govan. - opinion)

I've run out of steam now brisket, even if they haven't... sleeping appears to be commencing so hang up your LUTing shoes soon, yeah?  Nite!

Bedroom. Lights out.
Shabby and Caoimhe, sharing a bed.
Caoimhe smells her armpit. They chat (but not quietly)

Wise words Xochi. Goodnight to you too. 

Eventually the talking stops.
The whispering stops.
The snoring continues.
They have - reluctantly - been overtaken by sleep.
Goodnight.

Thanks brisket.....What Drama!!!!.

Thanks LUTters


Z.

Morning all

Thanks for the update

Morning all and great work Emlplula and Brisket and Xochi and everyone who contributed that I may have missed

Sossy!!! 

Cracking row it was last night. .I bluddy loved it..   articulate speakers are great for rows you can understand what they are on about. . has flashback to Charley rants.. 


Filling in bits and bobs now from ym own observations..  cos was too engrossed to open puter and type as it happened

I can confirm that when Govan first ran off out of the bathroom the producers left his mic on and I was wearing headphones [picks up more quieter stuff ]  and could hear him saying in the garden .. 'Where's Shabby.. quick Where's Shabby'.. 

She had been in the shack..  but not for long once Govan found her

As far as impartiality on the rows from those of us that record it I'll throw my bit into the ix as well..  there were a few things leading up to this thru the day and no side is blameless at all and all behaved badly..  IMO

The earleir Josie and JJ row was the catalyst for the later Ben and Shabby row..  as it was paranoia about people talking about them two that set off the later row starting with JJ then drawing Ben in, as JJ explained that they were talking about Shabby not Josie and Govan as they had thought..

 Ben had been  telling JJ all day about Govan and his duplicitous [not realising  he was being exactly the same himself as he too runs off to tell people stuff  ]  nature.. Ben and JJ also had a tiff just before this   about Ben's greediness and general selfishness in the house.

Shabby crew were still mainly dealing with the fallout from the Shabby Caoimhe reveal and generally just being the usual bathroom crew.. but did get involved with the JJ and  Josie row..

JJ said in the bathroom, when Ben  had actually shouted at him rather nastily for being an idiot, that what Ben had been telling him all day  was no different to what Govan had been telling him just the individuals concerned on both sides were different..

JJ said as he has only known all of them for 2 weeks how on earth was he supposed to know  if Ben was right and Govan was wrong hence him trying to figure it out for himself.. [this is what upsets Ben]

Mario interjected with use your gut.. [ Mario can see no wrong in anything Ben does unfortunately. .a posh voice does not make you right and that goes for all of them.. ]

Anyway Bens anger sprang from the fact that John refused to side with him and betrayed him plus they'd had the earlier tiff too.

so on the one hand you have an overly Dramatic Ben who just doesn't chill and wants everybody to love him and not nominate him while turning or trying to turn others against those he disapproves of

and on the  other hand you have a overly Dramatic Shabby who just wants airtime and everything her way or the highway

Throw into the mix a little mouse scampering from camp to camp feeding the main protagonists with titbits. .   ie Govan

and the supposedly non confrontational person Josie  sticking her oar in and 'innocently'  making things worse..

add a few minor role players throwing fuel in when the fires look like they are dying and  Voila!!! you have a cracking row !!!  D

One thing I did hear and wonder if BB will do something about this. . or not..   was when the main row finished and the various camps went to their corners Caoimhe went up to Ben as she walked out and said in a nasty voice. .Ben from now on be very careful what you say 

the girls joked about this is in the garden saying Caoimhe would send 'people?; after Ben..

bad form that was. .  she'd already stuck her oar in in the row as well. .not a nice side of that 'lady' 

meanwhile Corin and Sunshine had decided they were having an early night and slept thru most of it all..

THE NEXT DAY


This morning Ben affirms that Govan went to his bed to apologise last night as he tells Mario in the bathroom

Mario looks worried and says you didn't tell him anything did you. .

Ben says no I just told him where I was coming from in all this..

Ben then frets for the zillionth time about the noms today. . petulantly bangs on to firstly Mario and sunshine then later JJ in an emotional blackmail type of way that he always stands up for his friends but they don't stand up for him and blah blah [sorry but am going off him as well as the rest.. apart form Corin]

Ben has an ability to see flaws in others but not the same flaws in himself. .and sometimes see things in himself that aren't there.. 

He even starts on sunshine for her ritalin  incident too..

Mario [who last night started to remind me of Craig with Anfonee] refuses  to see that both side were at fault. .his Benny can do no wrong


Mario tells Steve that is the first time he's seen him put himself together

Steve says what you mean the legs.  and laughs

I predict a day full of angst and continuous 'but it was for your own good and cos we are friends and they'll nom me now and and and .. '

So far Ben is still fretting about noms and Shabby is just chatting normal every day chat..

hmmmmmmmm

For now tis fairly quiet

Phew goes to get coffee {_}> 

BB announces Noms in 15 mins

Garden..

Ben who had been in the DR is out now..  and joins  Dave,  JJ and Mario in the garden

JJ tells Mario he hopes he wasn't upset about last night about  him talking to Govan cos he  wasn't being malicious to Mario [Mario has taken a HUGE dislike of Govan and warned JJ against him earlier in the day. .as it turns out rightly so but JJ wasn't to know that]

Ben says petulantly, I am upset cos only Mario stood up for me last night and I would have stood up for any of you lot if you had been in the same situation..

Mario I thought we weren't going to discuss this anymore

Ben yes right right you're right

then proceeds to carry on rehashing it over and over..  tells them all he loves them and what a great friend he is to all of them but...

[preNoms don't vote for me is starting.. ]

Ben explains that he lies for his friends out in the Real World, that's how good a friend he is..

Dave says there is nothing that could be defended last night really. .Ben said what he said.. he got caught is all..

Ben sulks that JJ didn't use the passion he has shown in other situations to stand up for Ben

Ben admits to having done wrong but the problem he has is being seen to be a snake by others.. . .ie being found out

for a group that are not going to talk about it anymore they are going in circles and Ben is guilt tripping them constantly . .interrupting them every time they have a point to put across and telling them they are not getting what he is saying

well as he has been saying it for days upon days in various forms if they haven't got it now they are not going to get it

Ben called to the DR for noms [edit no it wasn't they will begin in 5 mins]

Dave says he can see where Ben came from.. .JJ says so can he. .Dave says yeah but what could they have done. .they couldn't stick up for the situation it was what it was and Ben agrees he had made a mistake and had no excuse for what he did and Dave says how can you do something when he has already admits he did wrong

Mario tries to tell him how it is in a biblical sense to see if Dave can udnerstand what ben is meaning..   Peter denying Jesus or summat 

this is incredibly ridiculous and Mario is being a tad blinkered cos even the love of his life admitted he'd done wrong..

SD. .yay!!

Ben is back and carries on guilt tripping them for not standing by him when he was being lynched last night. .apart form Mario who was super-glued to him the whole time..

Dave tells him  there are ways to deal with that

Ben says but why not defend me publicly

Dave says he was defending him in groups etc but couldn't deny what was said was said as it had been admitted as being said

Ben says he doesn't think he did anything that bad he just got caught out

The boys agree ..so do I the both sides are as bad as each other.. and the main protagonists are as dramatic as each other .. 

JJ says maybe it would ahve helped if Ben had been talking a bit quieter so Josie and Govan woudln't have heard them as they passed by and JJ also says if I had thought quickly on my feet and made something up when we were int he bathroom it wouldn't have got so bad so he apologises to Ben for that.. .bena ccepts and also takes on board the bit about not talking so loudly in future..

Ben's guilt tripping is working

{wonders if he truly accepts he is responsible for his own actions. .he admits to very little in all of this.. it's everybody else who is at fault]

and on and on they go

John has gone away and Ben bitches to Dave and asks can he see how disappointed Ben is with John.. his not standing up for him last night and he was in the best position to do so  and blah blah blah..

Dave has tried to offer some suggestions for putting it all to bed and moving on but Ben  is not having any of it he just rattles around drumming in his own thought process, worrying about being nomm'd  and not listening to anybody else's POV..

[exactly what he accused sunshine fo doing ]


Noms staring..

Bathroom wash day is happening.. and surprisingly there are other HM's  in the house not only Ben and his Mottley crew..

Great work all you LUTers. That was a brilliant read!

Noms have started

this week there is no gnashing of teeth and' oh I don't know what to do' from the HM's

think they all know who they are voting for.

In the bedroom Jj is chatting to Josie and Govan saying he can't win as whoever he speaks to the other lot will think he is bitching or betraying them or summat.

they talk about the being boo;d on the way out thing

Jj says well there is a positive way to look at it . .if you are being bood by loads of people it means loads have voted for you so that means more money for charity

Josie says yeah I never thought of it like that..

[do they still give some of the phone money to charity?]

Ben has done his votes

he thanks Dave for standing up for him...

Dave says no problem mate I know you are a good bloke with a kind heart

(LET IT BLUDDY REST BEN!! :mad

oh gawd Joh is starting at Govan now and the voices are being raised..

Govan tells Jj he won't let anybody speak

Josie says they just want it to stop and all the chatting and not letting it rest is putting them off

[they intially pressed the button on this roller-coaster and have sat back and watched it all unfurl as if it was nowt to do with them]

John tells em they could come out the talking would stop

and on and on and on..

inthe Closet area
 
 Ben tells his lapdog he feels a lot better now (after nominating?) and can do whatever he wants for the next few days now. .

dunno why

oh and now Ben si talkign to Jopsie about it..

Josie tries to talk and Govan interrupts and Josie tells him off for it

Jsoie finalyl says to Ben you just have to try build bridges now and pull yourself up  and try and enjoy yourself..

right I need to do my online shop. .will report back if anything of consequence happens. .have a headache from Ben's incessant twittering

Ben tries to tell Joise that he did something to help a friend and with all good intentions and now he is the bad boy

Josie isn't really interested in listening to Ben twitter on so the covno is cut short as Josie gets out of the bed they were chatting in and goes to play

shame the others can't cut him short so quickly.

Sahbby and Caoimhe are in bed and Shabby says I dont; want to make it awkward for him and it can't be nice to have someone stand in your face and shout I don't like you {in case the camera's missed it last night]

Caoimhe laughs at Shabby telling Ben she didn't like it..   Shabby says that was a bit mean tho..

and I'm off..  

(wonders if anybody is reading.. feels empty in here   )

I'm reading Olly

ooooh  ello Kimota. .tis nice to see a face in here now and again while LUTTing.. cos it can get lonely on your own.. 

but now I must sort my shopping out so I am off for a bit.. 

I'm reading too, Olly  


Z.

ello Zaph

Good to know there's readers

hopes I am not being too biased.  am trying to see it all from both sides and reporting it as such.. am mainly 'hating' all of them now except for perhaps Corin 

all that could change tho  but they did good to not make me 'hate' em from the get go this year.. took em longer this time

Garden

JJ explains to Joise why he is the way he is with woman

stems from when as a kid he was shorter than the rest of his group and didn't spurt til later

as a shorty he lacked confidence and self esteem. .and when he finally got taller and the girls started to show interest where there wasn't any before he got mad that a spurt in height could make so much difference. .all this added to his low self esteem and his choice to distance himself form people

Josies says oh I didn't realsie that was the case.. I just thought you were and angry little  man. . then catches herself and says, well not literally little

Ben takes Mario to bed for further chatting as Mario is the only one who likes to stroke him til his hands burn from the constant contact understands him

Ben bitches about how JJ has let him down after they all rallied around him yesterday when JJ was upset after the row with Josie

luckily this convo is cut short cos JJ walks in

With JJ now in the room interrupting Bens bitch session with Mario about him Ben is now focusing his bitching against Josie now

He feels she is judging him without knowing the facts and reasoning behind what he did

JJ asks if Ben ahs actually told Josie the facts

ben said no but but. .[ohg fgs ]

So now we have him moaning that Sunshine hasn't stood up for him either..

Jj tells him Sunshine is only interested with Sunshine so don't worry about that

Both JJ and Ben don't understand the mob mentality and haven't lived with this amount of people before so find the duynamics hard

Ben saus Ife and Caoimhe are off with him and he can understand why

Jj says wh?

ben because they see me being horrid to their friend so of course they will side with her..

JJ tries to tell Ben that everybody is probably thinking and talking about things the same way, as they are all individuals..   and who's to say who is right or wrong

and we go back to the Ben standing by what he said about shabby thing last night and guilt tripping JJ yet again

Ben uses a lot of I's and me's and my's when he's talking and interrupts all the time yet tells everybody else off for interrupting..

I am dizzy with all these circles..

oh nooooooooooooo we are back to falafel and humous Gate and Sunshine having a paddy about it.. and everybody rallying around  her yet Ben gets all upset and NOBODY rallies around him  and boohoo 


Craig Mario strokes him a  lot tho



(now I was off to do my shopping wasn't I?  )

Great LUTting, you lot!

Dave walk out to the garden and sighs heavily saying in the bedroom they are going over the same old stuff and he's finding it tiresome

He chats to Sunshine and explains that Ben is still banging on about how badly he's been represented and treated by his friends..

and Dave continues to talk about it too..

Sunshine advises Dave to do what she did when Ben was bad mouthign toehrs she removed herself

Dave finds it hard to do that. ..   he does feel upset that Ben is upset because he wanted them to stand beside him last night.. but he couldn't defend the indefensible. . so what could he do..

Dave now tries to fill sunshine in with what happened last night. . but he says it iall n a few words  (Yay!) saying he just wants to chill yet them lot are rehashing it over and over in there..

My brain hurts

Blizzie!!! 

got any headache pills?  Mine head is going to explode soon..

More thanks from me - this LUT has become an essential part of BB for me .... thank you all very much!

thanks Hoochie and thanks from the others too I'm sure

JJ has been called to the DR and cue Ben  carrying on bitching about him  who always talks over him [pots and kettles ]

Ben is so upset about JJ as he puts Ben in the came category as he puts Govan  as in not knowing who to believe. .yet Jj says he was friends with Govan form early on just as he was friends with Ben

Ben sees this as a betrayal.. but wouldn't say that to JJ cos he'd blow. .(he has said it tho)

and Ben feels all alone cos JJ left him alone in the garden  to go chat to others.. he shoudl rally round his friends not go away.. [and have a bit of fun with Sunshine and shurrup about it all for a bit.. ] Ben came inside cos it was upsetting him that people weren't hung on his coat tails

Ben wonders how Shabby can have so many followers. .and thinks maybe he shoudl go around burping and farting

Mario says it seems like she may have followers but it is never as it seems and a lot of  the 'followers'    are smokers and maybe nothing else


Now we are onto the fact it all blew up yesterday because John is vain and Narcissistic and blew when he was told he had crabby eyes ..

tho he admits they are probably all vain as they wouldn't be in there

Ben like John but he can't trust him over these things any more..

Josie comes in and Mario asks her if she has a problem with Ben

Josie - no Ben is my friend but I do think that was out of order as it looks like you were trying to turn John against Shabby

Nathan shouts out you just need to get over it.. 

Mario gets her to confirm that she doesn't hate Ben cos Ben thinks they all do..

Ben says I just don't want you to judge me when you have only heard one side..

Josie says look don't worry I think you are funny

Ben says well so was Hitler..  or w

they both laugh then off we go in circles again.. the instructions are if Ben gets upset again people must rally around him next time not turn against himalk away..

Josie says what you have to understand Ben is that what John did was say things to my face and what you did was totally different

Ben has no answer to this and understands Josie's point..

Now Ben is upset I think cos JJ and Josie had a fight yet are talking today as if tis all ok with them

Ben is a grudge holder by the sounds of it. .

(now shopping time it has to be )

hahaha loving it Blizzie. .all we need now is for  Dave to deliver them

I hope not.
But....it doesn't take a genius to detect.....
Ah well.

"Flits in and waves"

Anyone know how long LS has been on a loop

every time I tune in Ben is having the same convo

"Flits out again"

*waits to read Ollies shopping list*.....