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@Baz posted:

I totally agree that we need an election Suricat ….sadly I don’t think we are going to get one any time soon …so imo Sunak is the best we can do ….at least he seems to have at least some fiscal nous.

I concur, 'fiscal policy' seems to be the main priority here. Perhaps Sunak for PM, as long as a competent 'Chancellor of the Exchequer' is 'compliant'. IMHO the 'other governing posts' can wait until 'fiscal stability' is achieved. An 'election' would be 'lengthy' and probably put the Conservative and Unionist Party on the 'back foot', whilst giving favour to Labour, the Liberal Democrats, and other, currently, 'minor parties' (not to mention the SNP).

Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

S
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Yeah but an election is just another period when nothing gets done Baz. It's Catch-22 and I'm Alan Arkin. Meerkat wouldn't like it either. We're not getting one anyway            



Sorry suricat             

Correct @velvet donkey. This 'hiccup' of 'fiscal instability' needs to be cured 'post haste'! However, 'Catch-22' may well be ended in a couple of years.

'suricat' is a 'given online name' from my days posting on the Chanel 4 'Eve' website (now long gone) when anonymity was essential to counter 'real life repercussion' during the 'Climate Debate'.

'suricat' is the French name for a 'long tailed meerkat' who's habitat is, mostly, South Africa. I include the 'AKA' now so as to link my posts with any other past interlocutor (Ferenc Miscolsci, Monbiot, 'Science of Doom', etc, Should I go on?) . The 'Monica' (given name) wasn't 'given' without 'respect', but I think I can understand why you may disrespect it. Don't apologise.

Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

S
@suricat posted:

Correct @velvet donkey. This 'hiccup' of 'fiscal instability' needs to be cured 'post haste'! However, 'Catch-22' may well be ended in a couple of years.

'suricat' is a 'given online name' from my days posting on the Chanel 4 'Eve' website (now long gone) when anonymity was essential to counter 'real life repercussion' during the 'Climate Debate'.

'suricat' is the French name for a 'long tailed meerkat' who's habitat is, mostly, South Africa. I include the 'AKA' now so as to link my posts with any other past interlocutor (Ferenc Miscolsci, Monbiot, 'Science of Doom', etc, Should I go on?) . The 'Monica' (given name) wasn't 'given' without 'respect', but I think I can understand why you may disrespect it. Don't apologise.

Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

Don't worry about it. And I reckon you're not worried     



   

VD
@suricat posted:

I concur, 'fiscal policy' seems to be the main priority here. Perhaps Sunak for PM, as long as a competent 'Chancellor of the Exchequer' is 'compliant'. IMHO the 'other governing posts' can wait until 'fiscal stability' is achieved. An 'election' would be 'lengthy' and probably put the Conservative and Unionist Party on the 'back foot', whilst giving favour to Labour, the Liberal Democrats, and other, currently, 'minor parties' (not to mention the SNP).

Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

I agree Suricat

Baz

Don't worry about it. And I reckon you're not worried     



   

That depends on what you think I’m not worried about.



Please correct me if I’m wrong, but AFAIK a law was introduced a β€˜few’ decades ago to enable the β€˜five year lifetime’ of an β€˜elected party’ to enable β€˜that party’ to complete the β€˜mandate’ that the β€˜country elected β€œthe party” to achieve’.



However, AFAIK the β€˜bill’ has no β€˜intrinsic provision’ for a β€˜general election’ should the β€˜ruling party’ β€˜split’ into opposing factions and render itself β€˜unstable’ and unable to achieve that β€˜mandate’. I also believe that β€˜the bill’ wasn’t intended to deal with a β€˜governing party’, but was a means to select a β€˜party leader’ and not a β€˜prime minister’ (danger of/for β€˜double indemnity’ here). Liz already admits that β€˜the party’ (at least herself as the party’s second elected leader during the β€˜party’s’ current β€˜five year lifetime’) is unable to achieve that β€˜electoral mandate’ (as was Boris).



What to do when an β€˜elected party’ β€˜splits’ during their β€˜five year lifetime’?



Do β€˜we’ (the people) submit our β€˜voting preference’ to the β€˜current β€œruling party”’ for β€˜the candidature of their leadership ’ (no we can’t, only β€˜party members’ can), or insist on having β€˜our voices’ heard again in a β€˜general election’ (again no)?



Democracy is!



Demo-cracy! β€˜Demo’, (from the ancient Greek β€˜demos’) meaning β€˜village’, or β€˜people’ and β€˜-cracy’ (again from the Greek) meaning β€˜collective’, β€˜formation of government’, or β€˜rule makers’. β€˜Demokratia’ is a β€˜two way dialogue’ that supports both National, Regional and Local β€˜dialogues/concerns’ for any existing β€˜tort/concern’ (our UK Parliament affects all four nations of the UK and complicates all issues).



IMHO I doubt that this UK β€˜electoral system’ fully measures up to a β€˜democracy’.



Thus, we now seem to live in a society that is only β€˜democratic’ for β€˜a day’ every β€˜fifth year’ (unless referenda are asked for by β€˜the ruling government’, or a by-election is called for by governmental necessity), and β€˜following the people’s choice’ (voting day) our society becomes β€˜autocratic’ for the intervening period of β€˜the β€œelected party’s” five year installation’.



So, is the UK β€˜democratic’, or β€˜autocratic’ to the β€˜democratically β€œelected party”’?



Please advise, if possible (if you want to take this β€˜elsewhere’, I’ll be happy to do so).



Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

S
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