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@Baz posted:

I totally agree that we need an election Suricat โ€ฆ.sadly I donโ€™t think we are going to get one any time soon โ€ฆso imo Sunak is the best we can do โ€ฆ.at least he seems to have at least some fiscal nous.

I concur, 'fiscal policy' seems to be the main priority here. Perhaps Sunak for PM, as long as a competent 'Chancellor of the Exchequer' is 'compliant'. IMHO the 'other governing posts' can wait until 'fiscal stability' is achieved. An 'election' would be 'lengthy' and probably put the Conservative and Unionist Party on the 'back foot', whilst giving favour to Labour, the Liberal Democrats, and other, currently, 'minor parties' (not to mention the SNP).

Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

S
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Yeah but an election is just another period when nothing gets done Baz. It's Catch-22 and I'm Alan Arkin. Meerkat wouldn't like it either. We're not getting one anyway            



Sorry suricat             

Correct @velvet donkey. This 'hiccup' of 'fiscal instability' needs to be cured 'post haste'! However, 'Catch-22' may well be ended in a couple of years.

'suricat' is a 'given online name' from my days posting on the Chanel 4 'Eve' website (now long gone) when anonymity was essential to counter 'real life repercussion' during the 'Climate Debate'.

'suricat' is the French name for a 'long tailed meerkat' who's habitat is, mostly, South Africa. I include the 'AKA' now so as to link my posts with any other past interlocutor (Ferenc Miscolsci, Monbiot, 'Science of Doom', etc, Should I go on?) . The 'Monica' (given name) wasn't 'given' without 'respect', but I think I can understand why you may disrespect it. Don't apologise.

Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

S
@suricat posted:

Correct @velvet donkey. This 'hiccup' of 'fiscal instability' needs to be cured 'post haste'! However, 'Catch-22' may well be ended in a couple of years.

'suricat' is a 'given online name' from my days posting on the Chanel 4 'Eve' website (now long gone) when anonymity was essential to counter 'real life repercussion' during the 'Climate Debate'.

'suricat' is the French name for a 'long tailed meerkat' who's habitat is, mostly, South Africa. I include the 'AKA' now so as to link my posts with any other past interlocutor (Ferenc Miscolsci, Monbiot, 'Science of Doom', etc, Should I go on?) . The 'Monica' (given name) wasn't 'given' without 'respect', but I think I can understand why you may disrespect it. Don't apologise.

Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

Don't worry about it. And I reckon you're not worried     



   

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@suricat posted:

I concur, 'fiscal policy' seems to be the main priority here. Perhaps Sunak for PM, as long as a competent 'Chancellor of the Exchequer' is 'compliant'. IMHO the 'other governing posts' can wait until 'fiscal stability' is achieved. An 'election' would be 'lengthy' and probably put the Conservative and Unionist Party on the 'back foot', whilst giving favour to Labour, the Liberal Democrats, and other, currently, 'minor parties' (not to mention the SNP).

Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

I agree Suricat

Baz

Don't worry about it. And I reckon you're not worried     



   

That depends on what you think Iโ€™m not worried about.



Please correct me if Iโ€™m wrong, but AFAIK a law was introduced a โ€˜fewโ€™ decades ago to enable the โ€˜five year lifetimeโ€™ of an โ€˜elected partyโ€™ to enable โ€˜that partyโ€™ to complete the โ€˜mandateโ€™ that the โ€˜country elected โ€œthe partyโ€ to achieveโ€™.



However, AFAIK the โ€˜billโ€™ has no โ€˜intrinsic provisionโ€™ for a โ€˜general electionโ€™ should the โ€˜ruling partyโ€™ โ€˜splitโ€™ into opposing factions and render itself โ€˜unstableโ€™ and unable to achieve that โ€˜mandateโ€™. I also believe that โ€˜the billโ€™ wasnโ€™t intended to deal with a โ€˜governing partyโ€™, but was a means to select a โ€˜party leaderโ€™ and not a โ€˜prime ministerโ€™ (danger of/for โ€˜double indemnityโ€™ here). Liz already admits that โ€˜the partyโ€™ (at least herself as the partyโ€™s second elected leader during the โ€˜partyโ€™sโ€™ current โ€˜five year lifetimeโ€™) is unable to achieve that โ€˜electoral mandateโ€™ (as was Boris).



What to do when an โ€˜elected partyโ€™ โ€˜splitsโ€™ during their โ€˜five year lifetimeโ€™?



Do โ€˜weโ€™ (the people) submit our โ€˜voting preferenceโ€™ to the โ€˜current โ€œruling partyโ€โ€™ for โ€˜the candidature of their leadership โ€™ (no we canโ€™t, only โ€˜party membersโ€™ can), or insist on having โ€˜our voicesโ€™ heard again in a โ€˜general electionโ€™ (again no)?



Democracy is!



Demo-cracy! โ€˜Demoโ€™, (from the ancient Greek โ€˜demosโ€™) meaning โ€˜villageโ€™, or โ€˜peopleโ€™ and โ€˜-cracyโ€™ (again from the Greek) meaning โ€˜collectiveโ€™, โ€˜formation of governmentโ€™, or โ€˜rule makersโ€™. โ€˜Demokratiaโ€™ is a โ€˜two way dialogueโ€™ that supports both National, Regional and Local โ€˜dialogues/concernsโ€™ for any existing โ€˜tort/concernโ€™ (our UK Parliament affects all four nations of the UK and complicates all issues).



IMHO I doubt that this UK โ€˜electoral systemโ€™ fully measures up to a โ€˜democracyโ€™.



Thus, we now seem to live in a society that is only โ€˜democraticโ€™ for โ€˜a dayโ€™ every โ€˜fifth yearโ€™ (unless referenda are asked for by โ€˜the ruling governmentโ€™, or a by-election is called for by governmental necessity), and โ€˜following the peopleโ€™s choiceโ€™ (voting day) our society becomes โ€˜autocraticโ€™ for the intervening period of โ€˜the โ€œelected partyโ€™sโ€ five year installationโ€™.



So, is the UK โ€˜democraticโ€™, or โ€˜autocraticโ€™ to the โ€˜democratically โ€œelected partyโ€โ€™?



Please advise, if possible (if you want to take this โ€˜elsewhereโ€™, Iโ€™ll be happy to do so).



Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

S
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