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I'll give you the conclusion. He's a wanker. Two minutes in and fecked everything, Argue with that - I'm here all day
@velvet donkey posted:I'll give you the conclusion. He's a wanker. Two minutes in and fecked everything, Argue with that - I'm here allday
I totally agree Velvet âĶ..mind you , looks like Truss is going to throw him under the bus anyway âĶ.and she might end up being the shortest serving PM in history âĶ.I hope .
I cannot see any way out for her. There is no way you lie through this.
The OBR by the way, the thing they want to hide, - were they dictated to on Friday
@velvet donkey posted:I cannot see any way out for her. There is no way you lie through this.
The OBR by the way, the thing they want to hide, - were they dictated to on Friday
Heâs an A hole âĶand sheâs an A hole too
Theyâre not for turning, though. Oh no, definitely not. Never, ever.
Oh, hold on a minuteâĶ.
@JustOneMoreThing posted:Theyâre not for turning, though. Oh no, definitely not. Never, ever.
Oh, hold on a minuteâĶ.
We need more of you
At this rate just about ANYBODY, even 'the man down the pub' could do a better job!
And yes, Truss is goimg to say it was all Kwarteng's fault! I think she already has, in some ways.
As I see it though, Kwarteng is just her puppet, doing her bidding!
@Baz posted:I canât see her lasting until Xmas at this rate âĶ.I hope
Neither can I. and I'm in the 1922 committee
@velvet donkey posted:Neither can I. and I'm in the 1922 committee
Itâs the people that are pulling her strings that we should worry about, too. ð
@JustOneMoreThing posted:Itâs the people that are pulling her strings that we should worry about, too. ð
It's the people in general that vote for these wallies that we should worry about...
And there's a certain air of 'maybe we should have gone for Rishi after all!'
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:And there's a certain air of 'maybe we should have gone for Rishi after all!'
Yes
The way I read this thread, you all sound like 'Torys' complaining about your 'choices' during the 'election' of your 'party leader (president)'.
How many 'elections' can a 'party' undertake before a 'choice' goes out to 'the public'? For answers to this, look to 'The Blair Years of Government'!
IMHO when a Prime Minister 'resigns' because their 'Cabinet Ministers' can't support them, a 'majour fault' exists in the 'ethos' between the 'party leader' and 'the party'. Again, IMHO where this scenario exists, the 'governing party' can no longer form an effective 'Government' simply because either, 'the party' is 'at odds' with the manifesto that their, 'leader got them elected by', or the 'Prime Minister (and/or their objectives altered)' has 'strayed' from the 'party objective'. Whatever!!!
These 'issues' should be put to 'the people' and not just decided within the 'party politic' of the 'Walls of Westminster'!
It's late and perhaps I drank too much. Think about my comment.
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
Don't worry about it. All opinions are welcome
I like cats
Well, I'm Scottish and wouldn't touch the Tories with the proverbial barge pole!
Voted ONCE, for labour, but that turned out a mistake. So it's been SNP the rest of the time as I don't see anything better for Scotland. Now I'm not saying they are the Bees Knees, but so far, all alternatives seem worse!
Hi Suricat.
Hi Suricat Well Iâve voted for all the main parties over my lifetime , but certainly wouldnât vote for the conservatives these daysâĶ..
I like Baz. She does genuilnely makes me laugh.
You have some spiriit Baz Keep it going
Is Baz a rebel. Probably is
@velvet donkey posted:I like Baz. She does genuilnely makes me laugh.
You have some spiriit Baz Keep it going
@Baz posted:
You're welcome
Kwasi.is my daughters MPâĶâĶhis constituency includes a small place called AshfordâĶ..he had to go there, but thought it was Ashford in KentâĶâĶdidnât even know his own constituency ð
@Kaytee posted:Kwasi.is my daughters MPâĶâĶhis constituency includes a small place called AshfordâĶ..he had to go there, but thought it was Ashford in KentâĶâĶdidnât even know his own constituency ð
Rofl ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢThat says it all !
@Kaytee posted:Kwasi.is my daughters MPâĶâĶhis constituency includes a small place called AshfordâĶ..he had to go there, but thought it was Ashford in KentâĶâĶdidnât even know his own constituency ð
Iâm always voted for either Labour or the Greens, never Tory.
And I still find it baffling that anyone thought that Johnson would make a good PM.
And as for Truss âĶ
Very often I haven't voted because I don't agree with any of them...we shouldn't have party politics!
It should be the best man/woman for the job....to keep the country going at it's best.
Strip them all of their salaries...let's see who still wants their positions
I tend to vote for the policies I like , hence why I have no real political party allegiance .
@Baz posted:Rofl ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢThat says it all !
ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢâĶ..doesnât it just
@Baz posted:I tend to vote for the policies I like , hence why I have no real political party allegiance .
DittoâĪïļ
@velvet donkey posted:Don't worry about it. All opinions are welcome
I like cats
Thanks for the 'invite' velvet donkey.
Guys! The problem here is, IMHO, 'the democraic mandate'! 'First past the post' was a 'reasonable system' to select a 'Governing Party' whilst there were only 'two parties' up for a 'General Election' (Whigs and Tories), however, 'more than two parties' up for a General Election statisticaly reduces the 'probabillity' of a 'mandate' from 'the people' taking part in a General Election. I'll 'elucidate/expand' on this statistic if requested.
IMHO, now that we have several 'parties' involved in a UK General Election we need a form of 'PR' (Proportional Representation) to 'employ a governing body' that can 'accurately' be representive of 'the people' that they 'represent'.
If 'The Blear Years' didn't 'hobble' the call for a General Election to a 'five year period', or 'when the Ruling Party' decided to call 'a General Election', we'd have already had a General Election immediately after Boris Johnson got us out of Europe. Let's face it, 'Boris' had the 'charisma' to 'expidite', but lacked the 'direction' to achieve this for the 'majority'. Nuf said!
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA, suricat).
@suricat posted:Thanks for the 'invite' velvet donkey.
Guys! The problem here is, IMHO, 'the democraic mandate'! 'First past the post' was a 'reasonable system' to select a 'Governing Party' whilst there were only 'two parties' up for a 'General Election' (Whigs and Tories), however, 'more than two parties' up for a General Election statisticaly reduces the 'probabillity' of a 'mandate' from 'the people' taking part in a General Election. I'll 'elucidate/expand' on this statistic if requested.
IMHO, now that we have several 'parties' involved in a UK General Election we need a form of 'PR' (Proportional Representation) to 'employ a governing body' that can 'accurately' be representive of 'the people' that they 'represent'.
If 'The Blear Years' didn't 'hobble' the call for a General Election to a 'five year period', or 'when the Ruling Party' decided to call 'a General Election', we'd have already had a General Election immediately after Boris Johnson got us out of Europe. Let's face it, 'Boris' had the 'charisma' to 'expidite', but lacked the 'direction' to achieve this for the 'majority'. Nuf said!
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA, suricat).
I agree about the fact that we need a new voting system âĶ.and I think we also need reform to stop a new prime minister foisted on us without a general election .
@Baz posted:I agree about the fact that we need a new voting system âĶ.and I think we also need reform to stop a new prime minister foisted on us without a general election .
Thanks for your support Baz, but I think we need to get back to the primary subject of this thread and not the 'digression' that I took it to.
Whilst I 'digressed', I also aluded to the 'true desire' of 'the people' (now I sound like a 'communist' [this is untrue]). However, the needs of the people are 'paramount' to the responsabillities of 'any governing body' (the 'governing body' is 'required' to 'care' for the electorate that 'elected' them)!
But we didn't 'elect' Liz Trust. She just 'appeared' in our 'BBC News updates' and gave us Kwasi Kwartang as a 'treasury securaty'' within our government
@suricat posted:Thanks for your support Baz, but I think we need to get back to the primary subject of this thread and not the 'digression' that I took it to.
Whilst I 'digressed', I also aluded to the 'true desire' of 'the people' (now I sound like a 'communist' [this is untrue]). However, the needs of the people are 'paramount' to the responsabillities of 'any governing body' (the 'governing body' is 'required' to 'care' for the electorate that 'elected' them)!
But we didn't 'elect' Liz Trust. She just 'appeared' in our 'BBC News updates' and gave us Kwasi Kwartang as a 'treasury securaty'' within our government
But as such, Suricat, we don't DIRECTLY elect the Prime Minister. We elect a political party and the party elects a leader who then becomes PM. Yes, we generally know who the leader of each party is before the election, but we are usually electing the party on their manifesto and hoping/expecting THEIR elected leader to do a decent job.
I'm not sure Fluffs. Jelensky, Trump and Johnson were all "celebrity politics" to name but three.
Thank feck for Truss
What was Jelensky's rating before Mad Dog? It was in the 30's .
Is Kwarteng going to be sacked? There seems to be some speculation to that effect and that more U-turns are in the offing!
Quasi (fake/pretend) and Kwasi????
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Is Kwarteng going to be sacked? There seems to be some speculation to that effect and that more U-turns are in the offing!
I reckon she will throw him under the bus âĶ.not that he will be any loss !
OMG! What's she going to do now, I wonder?
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:OMG! What's she going to do now, I wonder?
Hopefully bliddy resign and call a general election ! But sadly , I doubt it !
Someone was saying (can't remember who) that changing the PM again would be disastrous. However would it be anymore disastrous than the mess we are currently in!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Someone was saying (can't remember who) that changing the PM again would be disastrous. However would it be anymore disastrous than the mess we are currently in!
My feeling exactly EFFT
Apparently she definitely sacked himâĶ.he didnât resign ! And it will be our 4th chancellor in 4 months âĶ.you couldnât make it up âĶ
The runners and riders who could replace Kwasi Kwarteng as Chancellor · Simon Clarke · Sajid Javid · Nadhim Zahawi · Jacob Rees-Mogg
@Baz posted:Itâs just been announced âĶitâs Jeremy Hunt
FGS...so we now have a health minister playing with our finances
@Baz posted:And there are apparently calls now for Truss to go too .
I'll second that!
@slimfern posted:FGS...so we now have a health minister playing with our finances
Yes, although I might have misheard that âĶand heâs being tipped for it âĶ..
@Baz posted:Oh it has been confirmed now âĶHunt is definitely chancellor
Well, all I can say is ...He's a bit young to be retiring isn't he
@slimfern posted:Well, all I can say is ...He's a bit young to be retiring isn't he
Yes Definitely a poison chalice
@Baz posted:Oh it has been confirmed now âĶHunt is definitely chancellor
Apparently, he backed Rishi for PM, so maybe he'll take some 'chancelloring' lessons from Rishi, who didn't do too awful a job as chancellor - I think.
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Apparently, he backed Rishi for PM, so maybe he'll take some 'chancelloring' lessons from Rishi, who didn't do too awful a job as chancellor - I think.
Yes , Rishi did a reasonable job âĶ.at least you felt like he knew what he was doing .
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Apparently, he backed Rishi for PM, so maybe he'll take some 'chancelloring' lessons from Rishi, who didn't do too awful a job as chancellor - I think.
@Baz posted:Yes , Rishi did a reasonable job âĶ.at least you felt like he knew what he was doing .
Or maybe he'll do a Rishi and stab the PM in the back in the hope of taking up the mantle
Wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them
@slimfern posted:Or maybe he'll do a Rishi and stab the PM in the back in the hope of taking up the mantle
Wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them
It certainly does seem like Caseyâs Courthouse âĶâĶand we thought Boris was bad l
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:But as such, Suricat, we don't DIRECTLY elect the Prime Minister. We elect a political party and the party elects a leader who then becomes PM. Yes, we generally know who the leader of each party is before the election, but we are usually electing the party on their manifesto and hoping/expecting THEIR elected leader to do a decent job.
Er, I tnink you have this a bit 'back to front' EFFT.
'A party' elects 'a leader' to 'promote a/the party' into a 'general election'. The 'electorate' then decides 'which party' has the 'power' to implement/enforce their 'mandate'!
Without the/that 'mandate' of 'the electorate' the 'party in power' can't 'democraticaly officiate any "change" in/to its policies'! Any changes in 'policy' following a/the 'party's election' of a 'new party leader' is just UNDEMOCRATIC without the 'mandate' of 'the population' in a 'general election'!
In 'hindesight', the 'Blear Years' probably restricted 'democracy' by imposing the 'same party' within the 'five year survival' of/for any 'elected party'.
Let's face it. Boris couldn't contain the 'discontent' within 'his party', thus, 'the party' wasn't 'content' with their leader and the 'mandate' that 'the party' was 'elected upon' is in not only in question by the electorate, its also questioned by the electoral commision.
Just now, I'm half asleep. Please let me know if my post makes any sense.
Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA susicat)
Feck sake I'm going to have to say it.
There's nothing worse than pedantic. The clock is ticking and we're all on countdown. I'll defend Fluffs anyday.
Don't educate us suricat - we're probably pretty well clued up.
Yes, it makes sense, but to me it pretty much says the same as my post, just expressed a bit differently.
One thing it seems to say to me, though, is that we are electing a party on the basis of whether or not we like their leader, almost as if the party policies are secondary to the appeal of their leader's personallity.
@velvet donkey posted:Don't worry about it Fluffs . Ill argue with him/her
Bring it on
No worries Velvet.
@velvet donkey posted:Feck sake I'm going to have to say it.
There's nothing worse than pedantic. The clock is ticking and we're all on countdown. I'll defend Fluffs anyday.
Don't educate us suricat - we're probably pretty well clued up.
Seconded âĪïļ
@Baz posted:Yes , Rishi did a reasonable job âĶ.at least you felt like he knew what he was doing .
He did make mistakes but on the whole he wasnât badâĶ.at least he looked and acted like a prospective PMâĶwith the right team behind him he possibly could have been successful
@Kaytee posted:He did make mistakes but on the whole he wasnât badâĶ.at least he looked and acted like a prospective PMâĶwith the right team behind him he possibly could have been successful
I agree Kaytee ððŧððŧðĨ°ðĨ°
@velvet donkey posted:Feck sake I'm going to have to say it.
There's nothing worse than pedantic. The clock is ticking and we're all on countdown. I'll defend Fluffs anyday.
Don't educate us suricat - we're probably pretty well clued up.
I wouldn't presume to 'educate' you @velvet donkey, I just tried to add to the invitation that you offered for my inclusion in this thread.
If you want, I'll leave.
@suricat posted:I wouldn't presume to 'educate' you @velvet donkey, I just tried to add to the invitation that you offered for my inclusion in this thread.
If you want, I'll leave.
Donât go Suricat âĶ.all views are welcome here .
You couldnât make up whatâs happening today , could you ? Never in all my 50 plus years watching politics have I seen the like . If Truss has a shred of conscience she would resign immediately , and call a bliddy election!
Truss has chosen not to come the the Commons this afternoon to answer questions âĶ.I give her to the end of the week !
@Baz posted:Truss has chosen not to come the the Commons this afternoon to answer questions âĶ.I give her to the end of the week !
Where did you read that my friend?
@Saint posted:Where did you read that my friend?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/po...nt-budget-liz-truss/
Found it
Quasi Kwarteng was called a long standing friend by Lizzy - so it's true there are no friends in Politics then?
Wasn't he just her mouthpiece anyway? What he said were her policies, so why get rid of him?
@Saint posted:Where did you read that my friend?
I saw it on the news channel Renton âĶ..
@Moonie posted:I see the Truss is already starting to wear out
Itâs definitely stretched the elastic
Iâve just seen some of the Hunt speech ðąðąðąðąðą
Prime Minister in waiting imoâĶ
@Moonie posted:Iâve just seen some of the Hunt speech ðąðąðąðąðą
Prime Minister in waiting imoâĶ
ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢI watched it live âĶ.and though Iâm not keen on him , he certainly couldnât be any worse than Truss ! But then we said that about Boris going , soâĶ..ðĪĢðĪĢ
@Baz posted:ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢI watched it live âĶ.and though Iâm not keen on him , he certainly couldnât be any worse than Truss ! But then we said that about Boris going , soâĶ..ðĪĢðĪĢ
ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢðððð
@Moonie posted:Iâve just seen some of the Hunt speech ðąðąðąðąðą
Prime Minister in waiting imoâĶ
Didn't he say his ambition had been surgically removed or something - what an odd statement, castrated perhaps
@Saint posted:Didn't he say his ambition had been surgically removed or something - what an odd statement, castrated perhaps
Absolutely brilliant, I salute you
@Moonie posted:Now the Tories are back to Brexit and other ancient history
Yes , and Mordant sounds like she is making a bid for leadership too
@Saint posted:Didn't he say his ambition had been surgically removed or something - what an odd statement, castrated perhaps
@Baz posted:Yes , and Mordant sounds like she is making a bid for leadership too
@Baz posted:ðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢI watched it live âĶ.and though Iâm not keen on him , he certainly couldnât be any worse than Truss ! But then we said that about Boris going , soâĶ..ðĪĢðĪĢ
True, but I for one, never thought much of her from the start!
@Baz posted:Yes , and Mordant sounds like she is making a bid for leadership too
Going off her too!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Going off her too!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:True, but I for one, never thought much of her from the start!
DittoâĶ.on both counts
found her
@Dame_Ann_Average posted:found her
just saying
@Dame_Ann_Average posted:just saying
@Baz posted:Donât go Suricat âĶ.all views are welcome here .
You couldnât make up whatâs happening today , could you ? Never in all my 50 plus years watching politics have I seen the like . If Truss has a shred of conscience she would resign immediately , and call a bliddy election!
Thanks for your invitation to stay Baz, but the 'thread originator' seems to be 'up for an argument' whilst I'm NOT!
Whilst deleting 'spam' from my mailbox I discovered a 'link' to your post here and 'yes'! Current political activity is (IMHO) 'unprecedented' in the history of UK politics due to the 'lack of any public mandate' caused by Tony Blair's desire to hand over 'power' to Gorden Brown. The 5 year period for a 'political party' to 'maintain the Governing Power' within 'our Parliament' invokes 'a problem'! When 'a political party' elects a 'leader', this 'leader' becomes the nation's Prime Minister. However, this 'leader' doesn't enjoy the sanction of the 'public electorate', only 'the party's electorate' (I could go on, but I won't)!
IMHO any governing body needs to take itself to a 'General Election' when their 'leader' can't form a 'viable Government'!
BTW, I've a couple of decades on you, but thanks for your continued outreach for our continued discourse.
Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
@suricat posted:BTW, I've a couple of decades on you, but thanks for your continued outreach for our continued discourse.
Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
Blimey! that would make you over 100 years old!
There are plenty of other threads you can join in on Suricat, if you wish to
There's No intended malice here...
@slimfern posted:Blimey! that would make you over 100 years old!
There are plenty of other threads you can join in on Suricat, if you wish to
There's No intended malice here...
Yes, it sure would
But I think it was my fault for not making clear that it was my *political * years I was talking about âĶnot my actual age âĶ.but I second Slimferns assertion that you are very welcome in any of the threads Suricat âĶwhatever the subject .
@suricat posted:Thanks for your invitation to stay Baz, but the 'thread originator' seems to be 'up for an argument' whilst I'm NOT!
Whilst deleting 'spam' from my mailbox I discovered a 'link' to your post here and 'yes'! Current political activity is (IMHO) 'unprecedented' in the history of UK politics due to the 'lack of any public mandate' caused by Tony Blair's desire to hand over 'power' to Gorden Brown. The 5 year period for a 'political party' to 'maintain the Governing Power' within 'our Parliament' invokes 'a problem'! When 'a political party' elects a 'leader', this 'leader' becomes the nation's Prime Minister. However, this 'leader' doesn't enjoy the sanction of the 'public electorate', only 'the party's electorate' (I could go on, but I won't)!
IMHO any governing body needs to take itself to a 'General Election' when their 'leader' can't form a 'viable Government'!
BTW, I've a couple of decades on you, but thanks for your continued outreach for our continued discourse.
Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
I totally agree Suricat , and letâs face it the current PM didnât even come to power with a mandate from her own party âĶ.even before the mini budget debacle âĶ.!
Just to add accuracy and reduce speculation as to my age guys. I was born on the first of June in 1951, which makes me 71 years of age as I write. Yes, Iâm an âold fartâ waiting for god (but Iâm not as old as some of you speculate)! There should be an âemojiâ here, but Iâm just not conversant with this style of comms.
Baz.
I also concur Baz. When any âelected partyâ that formed a âgovernmentâ from any âgeneral electionâ can no longer âhold itâs party togetherâ to expedite itâs âgeneral electoral mandateâ, the âpartyâ must call a âgeneral electionâ to refresh the âpublic mandateâ for the partyâs âpolitical directionâ!
A âparty electionâ for their leader just doesnât âcut itâ with âthe countryâs electorateâ when the/any âpartyâ alters the âmandateâ that the âcountryâs general/public electorateâ elected it for the public âmandateâ insists this upon this by the âdemocratic constitutionâ. What differences are there between the original âmandateâ and current âmandateâ ! Affordability.
This is a subject that I really donât want to get into here, but we could take this elsewhere (if we can find a âplaceâ).
Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat)
@suricat posted:Just to add accuracy and reduce speculation as to my age guys. I was born on the first of June in 1951, which makes me 71 years of age as I write. Yes, Iâm an âold fartâ waiting for god (but Iâm not as old as some of you speculate)! There should be an âemojiâ here, but Iâm just not conversant with this style of comms.
Baz.
I also concur Baz. When any âelected partyâ that formed a âgovernmentâ from any âgeneral electionâ can no longer âhold itâs party togetherâ to expedite itâs âgeneral electoral mandateâ, the âpartyâ must call a âgeneral electionâ to refresh the âpublic mandateâ for the partyâs âpolitical directionâ!
A âparty electionâ for their leader just doesnât âcut itâ with âthe countryâs electorateâ when the/any âpartyâ alters the âmandateâ that the âcountryâs general/public electorateâ elected it for the public âmandateâ insists this upon this by the âdemocratic constitutionâ. What differences are there between the original âmandateâ and current âmandateâ ! Affordability.
This is a subject that I really donât want to get into here, but we could take this elsewhere (if we can find a âplaceâ).
Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat)
I still beat you Suricat âĶIâm 75.
Well after last nights omnishambles. Iâm hoping that we are going to get an election very soon ! I think a lot of conservatives themselves just want out now !
Itâs all a bit academic now âĶ..itâs like a bliddy revolving conservative door .
@Baz posted:I still beat you Suricat âĶIâm 75.
Well after last nights omnishambles. Iâm hoping that we are going to get an election very soon ! I think a lot of conservatives themselves just want out now !
Yes, and I'm impressed with your candour on the disclosure of your age Baz.
Currently, the Conservative and Unionist Party seems to be impossible to manage. This is probably why Boris resigned in the first instance of this controversy, but these are only my personal thoughts/conceptions.
IMHO Kwasi Kwartang was a member of an unmanageable party faction which, although it had a healthy parliamentary majority, couldn't/can't agree with its political direction as a group. This only leads to chaos!
As I write, our PM has resigned! We NEED a General Election.
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
@suricat posted:Yes, and I'm impressed with your candour on the disclosure of your age Baz.
Currently, the Conservative and Unionist Party seems to be impossible to manage. This is probably why Boris resigned in the first instance of this controversy, but these are only my personal thoughts/conceptions.
IMHO Kwasi Kwartang was a member of an unmanageable party faction which, although it had a healthy parliamentary majority, couldn't/can't agree with its political direction as a group. This only leads to chaos!
As I write, our PM has resigned! We NEED a General Election.
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
At my age Iâm passed caring who knows how old I am .
Yes, sheâs gone , but unless we get a general election I canât see the chaos ending any time soon âĶ.although I think sunak would be the best of a bad bunch .
@Baz posted:At my age Iâm passed caring who knows how old I am .
Yes, sheâs gone , but unless we get a general election I canât see the chaos ending any time soon âĶ.although I think sunak would be the best of a bad bunch .
Me too (on age) and that's why I disclosed this earlier.
However, I don't think/believe that 'any' Conservative and Unionist Party's 'leader' can now provide the 'stability' that the UK needs. The 'Party' is just 'so disconnected' from its 'elected MPs' that populate seats in Parliament. IMHO the only way that this 'disconnection' can be ameliorated is by 'breaking' the recent 'Ruling Party's 5 year Protection' against taking a/the decision to the general public in a 'General Election'.
We need a 'get out of jail/gaol card' that can release our Nation/Nations from a 'governing body' that, quite simply, is damaging to the electorate that they represent.
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat)
@suricat posted:Me too (on age) and that's why I disclosed this earlier.
However, I don't think/believe that 'any' Conservative and Unionist Party's 'leader' can now provide the 'stability' that the UK needs. The 'Party' is just 'so disconnected' from its 'elected MPs' that populate seats in Parliament. IMHO the only way that this 'disconnection' can be ameliorated is by 'breaking' the recent 'Ruling Party's 5 year Protection' against taking a/the decision to the general public in a 'General Election'.
We need a 'get out of jail/gaol card' that can release our Nation/Nations from a 'governing body' that, quite simply, is damaging to the electorate that they represent.
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat)
I totally agree that we need an election Suricat âĶ.sadly I donât think we are going to get one any time soon âĶso imo Sunak is the best we can do âĶ.at least he seems to have at least some fiscal nous.
Yeah but an election is just another period when nothing gets done Baz. It's Catch-22 and I'm Alan Arkin. Meerkat wouldn't like it either. We're not getting one anyway
Sorry suricat
Will Hunt make Halloween?
Was he not the cat who caught the cream being appointed Chancellor?
Ask a junior doctor.
@velvet donkey posted:Will Hunt make Halloween?
Was he not the cat who caught the cream being appointed Chancellor?
Ask a junior doctor.
Letâs hope they donât change it again âĶ.the ÂĢ has already dropped again this morning ! Iâm not keen on Hunt , but hopefully he knows what heâs doing âĶfingers and toes all crossed .Mind you if bliddy Boris gets in everything could go even more Pete tong !
You could be on the decks Baz
Apparently BoJo is a ârock star politicianâ according to one Tory politician ðąðąðąðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢððð
@Moonie posted:Apparently BoJo is a ârock star politicianâ according to one Tory politician ðąðąðąðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢððð
YesâĶ.go figure Moonie ðððâĪïļâĪïļâĪïļ
@Baz posted:YesâĶ.go figure Moonie ðððâĪïļâĪïļâĪïļ
BoJo is looking more and more like one of the nominees for the next PM ðððâĪïļâĪïļâĪïļ
@Moonie posted:BoJo is looking more and more like one of the nominees for the next PM ðððâĪïļâĪïļâĪïļ
Yep ! And now Mordaunt has declared she is running âĶ.I had a feeling she was lining it up when she stood in for Truss the other day !
Ain't she navy. Military coup is the only answer now. In a swimsuit. Splash.
Remember when we used to laugh at banana republics.
Britaly.
@Baz posted:Yep ! And now Mordaunt has declared she is running âĶ.I had a feeling she was lining it up when she stood in for Truss the other day !
My feelings exactly when I was watching her standing in for Truss
Who's your money on then?
I want it complicated just for the the humour.
I couldn't call it even if Fishi is 8/11. That is not a certainty.
@velvet donkey posted:Who's your money on then?
I want it complicated just for the the humour.
I couldn't call it even if Fishi is 8/11. That is not a certainty.
Sadly I think it maybe the *Bonzo* Dog Doo Dah Band Velvet .
@Moonie posted:Apparently BoJo is a ârock star politicianâ according to one Tory politician ðąðąðąðĪĢðĪĢðĪĢððð
Guitar, drums or keyboards? ðĪĢ
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Guitar, drums or keyboards? ðĪĢ
Well he does like blowing his own trumpet , so âĶ..
@Baz posted:I totally agree that we need an election Suricat âĶ.sadly I donât think we are going to get one any time soon âĶso imo Sunak is the best we can do âĶ.at least he seems to have at least some fiscal nous.
I concur, 'fiscal policy' seems to be the main priority here. Perhaps Sunak for PM, as long as a competent 'Chancellor of the Exchequer' is 'compliant'. IMHO the 'other governing posts' can wait until 'fiscal stability' is achieved. An 'election' would be 'lengthy' and probably put the Conservative and Unionist Party on the 'back foot', whilst giving favour to Labour, the Liberal Democrats, and other, currently, 'minor parties' (not to mention the SNP).
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
@velvet donkey posted:Yeah but an election is just another period when nothing gets done Baz. It's Catch-22 and I'm Alan Arkin. Meerkat wouldn't like it either. We're not getting one anyway
Sorry suricat
Correct @velvet donkey. This 'hiccup' of 'fiscal instability' needs to be cured 'post haste'! However, 'Catch-22' may well be ended in a couple of years.
'suricat' is a 'given online name' from my days posting on the Chanel 4 'Eve' website (now long gone) when anonymity was essential to counter 'real life repercussion' during the 'Climate Debate'.
'suricat' is the French name for a 'long tailed meerkat' who's habitat is, mostly, South Africa. I include the 'AKA' now so as to link my posts with any other past interlocutor (Ferenc Miscolsci, Monbiot, 'Science of Doom', etc, Should I go on?) . The 'Monica' (given name) wasn't 'given' without 'respect', but I think I can understand why you may disrespect it. Don't apologise.
Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
@suricat posted:Correct @velvet donkey. This 'hiccup' of 'fiscal instability' needs to be cured 'post haste'! However, 'Catch-22' may well be ended in a couple of years.
'suricat' is a 'given online name' from my days posting on the Chanel 4 'Eve' website (now long gone) when anonymity was essential to counter 'real life repercussion' during the 'Climate Debate'.
'suricat' is the French name for a 'long tailed meerkat' who's habitat is, mostly, South Africa. I include the 'AKA' now so as to link my posts with any other past interlocutor (Ferenc Miscolsci, Monbiot, 'Science of Doom', etc, Should I go on?) . The 'Monica' (given name) wasn't 'given' without 'respect', but I think I can understand why you may disrespect it. Don't apologise.
Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
Don't worry about it. And I reckon you're not worried
@suricat posted:I concur, 'fiscal policy' seems to be the main priority here. Perhaps Sunak for PM, as long as a competent 'Chancellor of the Exchequer' is 'compliant'. IMHO the 'other governing posts' can wait until 'fiscal stability' is achieved. An 'election' would be 'lengthy' and probably put the Conservative and Unionist Party on the 'back foot', whilst giving favour to Labour, the Liberal Democrats, and other, currently, 'minor parties' (not to mention the SNP).
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
I agree Suricat
@velvet donkey posted:Don't worry about it. And I reckon you're not worried
That depends on what you think Iâm not worried about.
Please correct me if Iâm wrong, but AFAIK a law was introduced a âfewâ decades ago to enable the âfive year lifetimeâ of an âelected partyâ to enable âthat partyâ to complete the âmandateâ that the âcountry elected âthe partyâ to achieveâ.
However, AFAIK the âbillâ has no âintrinsic provisionâ for a âgeneral electionâ should the âruling partyâ âsplitâ into opposing factions and render itself âunstableâ and unable to achieve that âmandateâ. I also believe that âthe billâ wasnât intended to deal with a âgoverning partyâ, but was a means to select a âparty leaderâ and not a âprime ministerâ (danger of/for âdouble indemnityâ here). Liz already admits that âthe partyâ (at least herself as the partyâs second elected leader during the âpartyâsâ current âfive year lifetimeâ) is unable to achieve that âelectoral mandateâ (as was Boris).
What to do when an âelected partyâ âsplitsâ during their âfive year lifetimeâ?
Do âweâ (the people) submit our âvoting preferenceâ to the âcurrent âruling partyââ for âthe candidature of their leadership â (no we canât, only âparty membersâ can), or insist on having âour voicesâ heard again in a âgeneral electionâ (again no)?
Democracy is!
Demo-cracy! âDemoâ, (from the ancient Greek âdemosâ) meaning âvillageâ, or âpeopleâ and â-cracyâ (again from the Greek) meaning âcollectiveâ, âformation of governmentâ, or ârule makersâ. âDemokratiaâ is a âtwo way dialogueâ that supports both National, Regional and Local âdialogues/concernsâ for any existing âtort/concernâ (our UK Parliament affects all four nations of the UK and complicates all issues).
IMHO I doubt that this UK âelectoral systemâ fully measures up to a âdemocracyâ.
Thus, we now seem to live in a society that is only âdemocraticâ for âa dayâ every âfifth yearâ (unless referenda are asked for by âthe ruling governmentâ, or a by-election is called for by governmental necessity), and âfollowing the peopleâs choiceâ (voting day) our society becomes âautocraticâ for the intervening period of âthe âelected partyâsâ five year installationâ.
So, is the UK âdemocraticâ, or âautocraticâ to the âdemocratically âelected partyââ?
Please advise, if possible (if you want to take this âelsewhereâ, Iâll be happy to do so).
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
'Apologies' velvet donkey! I had no intention to 'disrupt' your thread, but I do feel that 'events' have now 'overtaken' the subject of this thread.
Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
@slimfern posted:Kwasi who?
Just so!