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pirate1111 posted:
Garage Joe posted:

The whole point about the Labour party is that we've lost a lot of voters to the right wing. They have been seduced by lazy political analysis to a party that isn't really interested in their needs.

We've had a set to today! Some think we should chase the UKIP vote! I shall probably flounce.

ive no idea why they were in labour-they shoulda pissed off to the tory party in the first place

Oh, if you only knew how many times I've said that to people. I'd love to see the whips taken away and see which side of the house they really should be on...to see what they really think  

FM
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pirate1111 posted:
Sprout posted:
pirate1111 posted:
Moonie posted:

I have always said Corbyn is not the man to lead Labour to the next election. Labour won't win with him at the helm.

 

As to who they can elect to win, I have no idea tbh. That to me is quite sad.

theres about 15 thousand + outside parliment right now saying they want jezza

a petition 100's of thousand + strong

theres a saying that if you repeat it enough people will start believing

 

jezza is totally electable but the media dont want you to think that

he's too honest for them

theyre shit scared & want him gone

ooh ta lol

joking aside the bloody media has got a lot to answer for

 

youre getting people saying 'oooh i wish i didnt vote for leave-i made a mistake'

 

yes you f*cking did-because you were reading the daily bollox, the sun etc..you were listening to dodgy politicians &  you didnt get off your arses & find out for yourselves-theres a world of information at your fingertips & you couldnt be bothered to look

pirate1111
Sprout posted:
pirate1111 posted:
Garage Joe posted:

The whole point about the Labour party is that we've lost a lot of voters to the right wing. They have been seduced by lazy political analysis to a party that isn't really interested in their needs.

We've had a set to today! Some think we should chase the UKIP vote! I shall probably flounce.

ive no idea why they were in labour-they shoulda pissed off to the tory party in the first place

Oh, if you only knew how many times I've said that to people. I'd love to see the whips taken away and see which side of the house they really should be on...to see what they really think  

Whips? 

Sounds a bit kinky to me 

Moonie
Moonie posted:
Sprout posted:
pirate1111 posted:
Garage Joe posted:

The whole point about the Labour party is that we've lost a lot of voters to the right wing. They have been seduced by lazy political analysis to a party that isn't really interested in their needs.

We've had a set to today! Some think we should chase the UKIP vote! I shall probably flounce.

ive no idea why they were in labour-they shoulda pissed off to the tory party in the first place

Oh, if you only knew how many times I've said that to people. I'd love to see the whips taken away and see which side of the house they really should be on...to see what they really think  

Whips? 

Sounds a bit kinky to me 

Politics dear. Politics 

FM
velvet donkey posted:
pirate1111 posted:
Moonie posted:

I have always said Corbyn is not the man to lead Labour to the next election. Labour won't win with him at the helm.

 

As to who they can elect to win, I have no idea tbh. That to me is quite sad.

theres about 15 thousand + outside parliment right now saying they want jezza

a petition 100's of thousand + strong

 

 

theres a saying that if you repeat it enough people will start believing

jezza is totally electable but the media dont want you to think that

he's too honest for them

theyre shit scared & want him gone

You'll no make a living as a professional gambler. He has no chance and I'm no main stream.

Because of the way he's been portrayed.   As I said before, his politics are different and people can't handle it! 

FM
Moonie posted:
Baz posted:

I understand that he has a lot of support with  the Labour membership , but if he ever gets into power how is he going to get any legislation through parliament  

Supposed to be Bazzy but they aren't MP's are they?

65 resignations from Labours front bench so far 

Yes , there will be no one left soon  

Baz
Baz posted:
Moonie posted:
Baz posted:

I understand that he has a lot of support with  the Labour membership , but if he ever gets into power how is he going to get any legislation through parliament  

Supposed to be Bazzy but they aren't MP's are they?

65 resignations from Labours front bench so far 

Yes , there will be no one left soon  

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. He had managed both feet and hands 

Moonie
Moonie posted:
Baz posted:
Moonie posted:
Baz posted:

I understand that he has a lot of support with  the Labour membership , but if he ever gets into power how is he going to get any legislation through parliament  

Supposed to be Bazzy but they aren't MP's are they?

65 resignations from Labours front bench so far 

Yes , there will be no one left soon  

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. He had managed both feet and hands 

 

Baz
Moonie posted:

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. He had managed both feet and hands 

 

Can't agree with that Moonie, sorry! He's got the mandate of the labour membership, the unions and a heap of CLP's. The PLP have gone against everything the Labour Party stands for and in my opinion and many others in and out of the Labour party contrived not only in the corridors of Westminster but outside of Westminster too.

When is it democratic to go against the wishes of 60% of the labour electorate? This will destroy the Labour Party and in no way shape or form should the blame be put onto Jeremy Corbyn. They are all sitting on the fence and not willing at the moment to make a leadership challenge because they know he will probably increase his mandate...so really who should be towing the line, those that we elected to serve us and our constituencies or a man put in place by those members that wanted him to lead the party away from the direction it's been heading for years. 

MP's are there to serve the people that elected them and not to go against their wishes. They seem to think they can take away the voice of those that voted for JC, they forget those very same people will take away their votes. 

 

Dame_Ann_Average
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also, 13000 new members over the weekend with 60% backing JC...who are the PLP representing, certainly not the electorate. Tom Watson's just confirmed he won't stand against him, darn right he won't...he'd rather mumble in the background.  

95% of CLP chairs say the back Jeremy
â€Ē77% of Labour members want Jeremy on ballot
â€Ē60% of 13,000 who just joined did so to *support Jeremy

Dame_Ann_Average
velvet donkey posted:

For ÂĢ3 Dame, how many of the membership are Tories?

 

 

 

Most of those member have became full members Velvet, I never believed the propaganda in the first place. if those were Tory voters, where is the massive backing coming from now...this is about one thing and one thing only...roll on the 6th July. 

Dame_Ann_Average

Dameee, it's just my opinion, I'm not asking you to agree and there is no need to be sorry 

The thing is how can JC form an opposition when new ministers are resigning as soon as they are installed?

 

JC could resign and then put himself up for reelection and see the outcome as a result of the 'no confidence vote' 

That would certainly shut the likes of me up for a start, if he still has such a  mandate...

I would also say that he doesn't have to and probably won't do that so where do we go from here?

Moonie
Moonie posted:

Dameee, it's just my opinion, I'm not asking you to agree and there is no need to be sorry 

The thing is how can JC form an opposition when new ministers are resigning as soon as they are installed?

 

JC could resign and then put himself up for reelection and see the outcome as a result of the 'no confidence vote' 

That would certainly shut the likes of me up for a start, if he still has such a  mandate...

I would also say that he doesn't have to and probably won't do that so where do we go from here?

He can't resign and put himself up Moonie that is the problem, pressure would be put on those not to give him the 35 signatures he needs. They should set up a challenge and then he would willingly stand again because it would be another MP challenging his name would automatically go on the ballot, they won't because no one can win against him. 

 

In the 9 months he's been leader, he's been ridiculed by the right wing press, he's been ridiculed and bayed at by tories opposite. He's attended 60 events in the run up to the referendum, not one that I have seen on the main news channels? he's been attacked constantly from the right wing media, the Blairites and the Tory party who are in complete disarray... to me that's a sign of a strong man, not a weak leader. 

 

Labour increased their majority in every by election, they won all four Mayoral elections and equalled the number of Councils they hold. The labour vote in the referendum was 63% to remain....just think what he could have achieved with the backing of the Blairites.  I'm not at a loss as to why they have done it, I'm surprised at the excuse they used, I'm sure plan B was always another option though. 

Dame_Ann_Average
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Dame_Ann_Average posted:
Moonie posted:

Dameee, it's just my opinion, I'm not asking you to agree and there is no need to be sorry 

The thing is how can JC form an opposition when new ministers are resigning as soon as they are installed?

 

JC could resign and then put himself up for reelection and see the outcome as a result of the 'no confidence vote' 

That would certainly shut the likes of me up for a start, if he still has such a  mandate...

I would also say that he doesn't have to and probably won't do that so where do we go from here?

He can't resign and put himself up Moonie that is the problem, pressure would be put on those not to give him the 35 signatures he needs. They should set up a challenge and then he would willingly stand again because it would be another MP challenging his name would automatically go on the ballot, they won't because no one can win against him. 

 

In the 9 months he's been leader, he's been ridiculed by the right wing press, he's been ridiculed and bayed at by tories opposite. He's attended 60 events in the run up to the referendum, not one that I have seen on the main news channels? he's been attacked constantly from the right wing media, the Blairites and the Tory party who are in complete disarray... to me that's a sign of a strong man, not a weak leader. 

 

Labour increased their majority in every by election, they won all four Mayoral elections and equalled the number of Councils they hold. The labour vote in the referendum was 63% to remain....just think what he could have achieved with the backing of the Blairites.  I'm not at a loss as to why they have done it, I'm surprised at the excuse they used, I'm sure plan B was always another option though. 

I didn't realise that Dameee...

Moonie

Jeremy the ex public schoolboy from Chippenham.

 

Another point to make!

The Chilcott report is out next week and it if very important that Corbyn is Labour spokesman so that he can condemn the Blairites and Tories who voted for the destabilisation of Iraq, and the subsequent crisis of hegemony in the Middle East and consequences.

More exciting times!

Garage Joe

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