Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I think a low percentage of people will be persuaded either way by the rubbish regurgitated by either side. 

Most will go with their gut feeling.

Spot on Moonie And the majority of people will only listen to/accept the views of those politicians/ pundits they already agree with ... 'tis human nature ..so the whole * arguments/debates * thing is a bit of a waste of time  

I agree - but what p's me off more is the people who say (and there's one across the office from me) 'I don't really understand all that stuff.... it won't make any difference to me anyway... ' and then say 'but I have to vote'  No, no you don't, if you have no opinion and don't want to educate yourself or form an opinion - you shouldn't be allowed in the polling station.  Let people who care vote it out..

Kaffs posted:

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I think a low percentage of people will be persuaded either way by the rubbish regurgitated by either side. 

Most will go with their gut feeling.

Spot on Moonie And the majority of people will only listen to/accept the views of those politicians/ pundits they already agree with ... 'tis human nature ..so the whole * arguments/debates * thing is a bit of a waste of time  

I agree - but what p's me off more is the people who say (and there's one across the office from me) 'I don't really understand all that stuff.... it won't make any difference to me anyway... ' and then say 'but I have to vote'  No, no you don't, if you have no opinion and don't want to educate yourself or form an opinion - you shouldn't be allowed in the polling station.  Let people who care vote it out..

 

I agree ....although I don't think even the politicians and pundits really know all the ins and outs ( pardon the pun ) , so it's not really surprising that the GBP don't understand it either  

Baz posted:

Kaffs posted:

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I think a low percentage of people will be persuaded either way by the rubbish regurgitated by either side. 

Most will go with their gut feeling.

Spot on Moonie And the majority of people will only listen to/accept the views of those politicians/ pundits they already agree with ... 'tis human nature ..so the whole * arguments/debates * thing is a bit of a waste of time  

I agree - but what p's me off more is the people who say (and there's one across the office from me) 'I don't really understand all that stuff.... it won't make any difference to me anyway... ' and then say 'but I have to vote'  No, no you don't, if you have no opinion and don't want to educate yourself or form an opinion - you shouldn't be allowed in the polling station.  Let people who care vote it out..

 

I agree ....although I don't think even the politicians and pundits really know all the ins and outs ( pardon the pun ) , so it's not really surprising that the GBP don't understand it either  

I honestly think that it's finely balanced, Baz - for me it's mainly about security of the economy and not gambling on maybe getting better some day, maybe not (I know we're on opposite sides) TBH  I got most annoyed at the attitude during the indy ref when the statement above was followed by 'I think I'll vote out - why should 'those English' tell us what to do?'     Moron. 

Baz posted:

Kaffs posted:

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I think a low percentage of people will be persuaded either way by the rubbish regurgitated by either side. 

Most will go with their gut feeling.

Spot on Moonie And the majority of people will only listen to/accept the views of those politicians/ pundits they already agree with ... 'tis human nature ..so the whole * arguments/debates * thing is a bit of a waste of time  

I agree - but what p's me off more is the people who say (and there's one across the office from me) 'I don't really understand all that stuff.... it won't make any difference to me anyway... ' and then say 'but I have to vote'  No, no you don't, if you have no opinion and don't want to educate yourself or form an opinion - you shouldn't be allowed in the polling station.  Let people who care vote it out..

 

I agree ....although I don't think even the politicians and pundits really know all the ins and outs ( pardon the pun ) , so it's not really surprising that the GBP don't understand it either  

People could go looking for the info themselves and look at both sides of the argument and make an informed opinion from that 

Sprout posted:

Baz posted:

Kaffs posted:

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I think a low percentage of people will be persuaded either way by the rubbish regurgitated by either side. 

Most will go with their gut feeling.

Spot on Moonie And the majority of people will only listen to/accept the views of those politicians/ pundits they already agree with ... 'tis human nature ..so the whole * arguments/debates * thing is a bit of a waste of time  

I agree - but what p's me off more is the people who say (and there's one across the office from me) 'I don't really understand all that stuff.... it won't make any difference to me anyway... ' and then say 'but I have to vote'  No, no you don't, if you have no opinion and don't want to educate yourself or form an opinion - you shouldn't be allowed in the polling station.  Let people who care vote it out..

 

I agree ....although I don't think even the politicians and pundits really know all the ins and outs ( pardon the pun ) , so it's not really surprising that the GBP don't understand it either  

People could go looking for the info themselves and look at both sides of the argument and make an informed opinion from that 

Yes , I supposed so .....if you have a PhD in economics/international relations etc. and hundreds of spare hours to read all the primary sources   Anything else you read has been put together by someone else...and therefore , to a greater or lesser extent has a degree of bias .

What have we in Britain 'Gained' by joining the EU, besides not having to dip into our purses or bum bag for our passports whilst travelling, cheaper Brie and French wine? 

Kaffs posted:

We should be able to create governments the way we can fantasy football teams.   I'd have Sadiq Khan and Ruth Davidson on the same team.

Is that the good team or the bad team though?

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Kaffs posted:

We should be able to create governments the way we can fantasy football teams.   I'd have Sadiq Khan and Ruth Davidson on the same team.

Red card for Farage, I think

Baz posted:

Moonie posted:

I think a low percentage of people will be persuaded either way by the rubbish regurgitated by either side. 

Most will go with their gut feeling.

Spot on Moonie And the majority of people will only listen to/accept the views of those politicians/ pundits they already agree with ... 'tis human nature ..so the whole * arguments/debates * thing is a bit of a waste of time  

Yes indeed Bazzy

There hasn't been much 'debating' anyway. Just a load of waffle, untruths and supposition. Well this could happen or that could happen. Well no one really knows what will happen in either case.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Kaffs posted:

We should be able to create governments the way we can fantasy football teams.   I'd have Sadiq Khan and Ruth Davidson on the same team.

Is that the good team or the bad team though?

Well, It's my fantasy government so I set the manifesto.. therefore.. the good team, obviously.   Ruth's taking penalties - she smacked Boris the Buffoon with a few good shots last night.

Madame Arcati posted:

Kaffs posted:

We should be able to create governments the way we can fantasy football teams.   I'd have Sadiq Khan and Ruth Davidson on the same team.

Red card for Farage, I think

Absolutely - he's not even fit to clean the boots.

Kaffs posted:

I agree - but what p's me off more is the people who say (and there's one across the office from me) 'I don't really understand all that stuff.... it won't make any difference to me anyway... ' and then say 'but I have to vote'  No, no you don't, if you have no opinion and don't want to educate yourself or form an opinion - you shouldn't be allowed in the polling station.  Let people who care vote it out..

 

^^^ this, absolutely 

Kaffs posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

I saw a snippet of Ruth Davidson, first time I've ever agreed with her I think. Mind you, she used their own quotes to hammer home her point  so it was easy for me to agree with her. 

ah yes, but if we use my 'Fantasy Government' plan - we get to set the rules....    Despite her dodgy affiliations - I like her and she's a bloomin' good speaker.

BiB - I agree

Just seen on the news, if we go, looks like The Netherlands will want to go too 

I've just seen someone on the news who isn't voting.  She shouldn't be allowed to in any future elections either 

bit of fun, good luck whichever side you're on 

Sprout posted:

Just seen on the news, if we go, looks like The Netherlands will want to go too 

We've given them Dutch courage?

Sorry 

*gets coat*

Roger the Alien posted:

Sprout posted:

Just seen on the news, if we go, looks like The Netherlands will want to go too 

We've given them Dutch courage?

Sorry 

*gets coat*

Hope everyone has voted ..... 

Sprout posted:

Just seen on the news, if we go, looks like The Netherlands will want to go too 

We can't all be wrong  

One has the feeling that we may be out of Europe by default. If other countries have reffeyrendiums we could be left with Greece and Turkey. Lol 

Not yet voted, just having a coffee and a bit of a relax in the Peace Gardens before I go put my cross in the box.

I have voted - and then had a half-mile walk home!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I have voted - and then had a half-mile walk home!

Good for you 

I've voted too.

I've voted too. My vote went in a couple of weeks ago 

I voted this morning 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

I voted this morning 

Me too  

Hello from the outside

*said in best Adele voice*

I'm gobsmacked!

Didn't really think it would happen!.

But I see it's basically a 2 thirds/1third split in Scotland, The 2 thirds being in favour of remaining in.

I did, that's why I didn't watch. I hope you get your referendum Fluffy and you vote out... 

Good morning  or is it? 

I am shocked  

Moonie posted:

Good morning  or is it? 

I am shocked  

Me too Moonie  Just shows you not to believe the polls I suppose.

Roger the Alien posted:

Moonie posted:

Good morning  or is it? 

I am shocked  

Me too Moonie  Just shows you not to believe the polls I suppose.

Hi Rog 

Very true 

Very strange feeling here. The calm before the storm methinks and I don't mean a thunderstorm either

Moonie posted:

Roger the Alien posted:

Moonie posted:

Good morning  or is it? 

I am shocked  

Me too Moonie  Just shows you not to believe the polls I suppose.

Hi Rog 

Very true 

Very strange feeling here. The calm before the storm methinks and I don't mean a thunderstorm either

  Oooh... apt description that. Yes, who knows whats next !

Roger the Alien posted:

Moonie posted:

Roger the Alien posted:

Moonie posted:

Good morning  or is it? 

I am shocked  

Me too Moonie  Just shows you not to believe the polls I suppose.

Hi Rog 

Very true 

Very strange feeling here. The calm before the storm methinks and I don't mean a thunderstorm either

  Oooh... apt description that. Yes, who knows whats next !

Have a good day Rog 

Moonie posted:

Roger the Alien posted:

Moonie posted:

Roger the Alien posted:

Moonie posted:

Good morning  or is it? 

I am shocked  

Me too Moonie  Just shows you not to believe the polls I suppose.

Hi Rog 

Very true 

Very strange feeling here. The calm before the storm methinks and I don't mean a thunderstorm either

  Oooh... apt description that. Yes, who knows whats next !

Have a good day Rog 

 Thanks Moonie hope you do too xx 

We're in da shit now! and it's only gonna get deeper 

Sprout posted:

We're in da shit now! and it's only gonna get deeper 

Can you say that on the forum? 

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

We're in da shit now! and it's only gonna get deeper 

Can you say that on the forum? 

   I just did