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Help for the self-employed whose income has been wrecked.

 

My understanding of what the chancellor has been saying is that for those self-employed person whose self employment income has been the majority of their income will be entitled to a sum calculated as:

the average taxable self employment profit based on the last 3 years of submitted tax returns.
Say the last 3 years submitted returns have:
y/e 5/4/17 ÂĢ16,257
y/e 5/4/18 ÂĢ15,989
y/e 5/4/19 ÂĢ16,378
the average of those is ÂĢ16,208 a year or ÂĢ1,350 a month
the grant is initially set for 3 months and is 80%
so ÂĢ1,350 x 3 x 80% = ÂĢ3,240.

Only available if the profits are under ÂĢ50,000 as chancellor says that the better off should be able to have set aside money over the years.

For those whose profits are under ÂĢ50,000, the grant is capped at ÂĢ2,500 a month.

 

Where the person hasn't been self employed for all 3 years then the average is based on the period of self employment up to 5 April 2019. For those who didn't start self employment until after 5 April 2019 this scheme can't help as the 2019/20 tax return isn't due for ages.

 

HMRC have to set up the scheme, will contact those who are eligible and hope to pay the grant by a lump sum in June.

 

The grant is taxable and will have to go on people's tax returns in due course - looks as if on the 2020/21 tax return.

 

Chancellor has indicated that self employed people will need to pay same rates as employees in future years. That would be the national inurance rather than the income tax.

El Loro
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All my self-employed clients who are potentially able to make a claim have now been informed. Given them my estimate of what grant they might get.

 

Haven't contacted those who won't qualify. "Dear client, you won't be able to claim a grant" wouldn't be welcome news. Those are the people who have other income greater than the amount of self-employment income and those whose profits are over ÂĢ50k.

El Loro

Posted my round of church magazines rather than deliver them to each house. Questionable if delivering them would have been legal though posting them is OK as post offices are remaining open.

 

Washed my hands before putting them in envelopes and used selloatape to seal the envelopes rather than lick the gum. Printed off labels rather than writing out the addresses.

 

Post box is 2 minutes away so close.

El Loro

Velvet, I think that service engineers for a major appliance breakdown would contact people a couple of days before visiting (not in an emergency) and then contact the person immediately before going into a house (including emergencies) to ask if they were showing symptoms. People and engineers would need to stay at least 2 metres away from each other.

El Loro
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Good afternoon everyone 

I woke at 5.30am with stomach spasms. Fortunately, things have settled down now.

Well done El, on getting the church magazines out, whilst keeping yourself safe 

Velvet, I know you can get engineers to come out for things like boiler repairs so I guess it would depend whether the appliance was considered essential.

Stay safe, everyone 

 

 

Yogi19

*night owls* I can’t sleep! 

El, thank you for your post on the self employed income support, this really is great news and it helps me understand what to expect. I will set aside the taxable figure of my lump sum immediately when June comes around. 
after a few days of worrying, I’m massively relieved at this good news, and today I received the small business relief grant!!!! That was fast. And it’s a huge weight off my shoulders. Even without the furloughed staff income, this grant will ensure the business survives for 12.5 weeks. 
I’m subsiding my own wage with personal savings for the time being- thank god I live simply enough to have slowly built them up. It pays off to not be greedy! 

El, do we have to pay the grant back after the lockdown or pay tax on it?? 

~Sparkling Summer~

@~Sparkling Summer~ my understanding is that the grant is taxable rather than repayable. It looks as it if will need to be included in the 2020/21 tax return (not the return for the tax year we are in at present) so the tax would become payable by 31 January 2022. Far too early to know where it would go in the tax return. I'm guessing it will be included with your trading income so becomes part of your trading profit.

 

There's a long held tax principle regarding the receipt of grants - income grants are treated as income, capital grants are offset the cost of the capital asset (something like a large machine in a factory). This would come under the heading of an income grant in my opinion.

El Loro

Moonie, over the years I've seen all the better Marx Brothers films. Duck Soup is probably the best of them though others are nearly as good. The ones made is the 1930s are the better ones, their films declined in the 1940s.

 

I've also seen their 1929 film The Cocoanuts. It's quite watchable though is essentially a filmed version of their Broadway show so is somewhat stagey and technically a bit primitive  - it was billed as Paramount's first "all talking, all singing, all dancing" musical.

That's their first film which still exists. They did make a short film called "Humor Risk" in 1921. Long lost and unlikely ever to surface.

 

No prizes for naming the three best known brothers - Groucho, Chico and Harpo. The fourth was Zeppo who appeared in their earlier films. And the fifth one was Gummo who never appeared in any of their films.

El Loro

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