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Where do you start Carnelian



I don't agree that the pandemic is holding him back at all, I do think every single thing he's doing is deliberate.

He's suspended more Jewish members than any other leader.

He's removed elected officials from standing if they are socialists, he's parachuted a right wing candidate into Hartlepool. One who has made sexist and racists remarks.

He's silenced CLP's from questioning his motives

Anyone voting for him to be leader should have given their head a wobble, he's a member of the Trilateral Commission, the man isn't and never was a socialist.

He paid 6 figure sums to those that worked within Labour for us to lose the election, knowing the advice had been that they would lose their case...Starmer paid them anyway.

He won't release the Forde Report on the labour leaks, which proved people worked against the leadership and allegedly moved funds.

The whistleblower only released the whatsapp messages because Starmer sat on them and still hasn't done anything about the racism and the abuse that was in those messages,

He's alienated the left, Bame and now this morning the Gay membership.

IMO, he never intended to be Prime minister, his primary goal is to destroy socialism and rid the party of socialist to keep the status quo.

He's being advised by Blair and Mandelson

I detest him more than Johnson, he's a fraud and not one bit of honesty in him. The sooner the Unions pull the plug won't be a day too soon for me...I hope he gets his ar$e on a plate in Hartlepool I could say a lot more I know, but I would be treading a fine line...as a lifelong Labour voter and member I have resigned my membership and stopped my monthly donation, I will never vote for him or his shadow cabinet and I know many, many more like me.

Dame_Ann_Average

Where do you start Carnelian



I don't agree that the pandemic is holding him back at all, I do think every single thing he's doing is deliberate.

He's suspended more Jewish members than any other leader.

He's removed elected officials from standing if they are socialists, he's parachuted a right wing candidate into Hartlepool. One who has made sexist and racists remarks.

He's silenced CLP's from questioning his motives

Anyone voting for him to be leader should have given their head a wobble, he's a member of the Trilateral Commission, the man isn't and never was a socialist.

He paid 6 figure sums to those that worked within Labour for us to lose the election, knowing the advice had been that they would lose their case...Starmer paid them anyway.

He won't release the Forde Report on the labour leaks, which proved people worked against the leadership and allegedly moved funds.

The whistleblower only released the whatsapp messages because Starmer sat on them and still hasn't done anything about the racism and the abuse that was in those messages,

He's alienated the left, Bame and now this morning the Gay membership.

IMO, he never intended to be Prime minister, his primary goal is to destroy socialism and rid the party of socialist to keep the status quo.

He's being advised by Blair and Mandelson

I detest him more than Johnson, he's a fraud and not one bit of honesty in him. The sooner the Unions pull the plug won't be a day too soon for me...I hope he gets his ar$e on a plate in Hartlepool I could say a lot more I know, but I would be treading a fine line...as a lifelong Labour voter and member I have resigned my membership and stopped my monthly donation, I will never vote for him or his shadow cabinet and I know many, many more like me.

Couldn't agree more Dame Ann!

In fact, you've pretty much mentioned everything, and then some, I would mention as to why he is the worst Labour leader the party has ever had.

The Labour-supporting Daily Mirror gave him a rating of 5/5 on antisemitism.  They are clueless.  I would give him 0/5.  Everything you've written is correct.  I have left the Labour Party this year over the appalling treatment of Jeremy Corbyn and those on the left, including Jewish members who dare be objective over Israel.

I too hope he gets a hammering in the May elections.  I could never vote Tory, as I detest them, but the fact that I have even considered voting Tory just to humiliate Starmer says it all.

Carnelian
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He's never going to win an election on a right of centre ticket Carnelian, there isn't enough right or centre right votes to go around. Blair won on the centre ticket because he managed to keep both left and right pacified until Iraq.

You don't alienate your voters, you only have to look at what he has done in Liverpool to see it's either a deliberate act or he'a absolutely off his rocker.

I am quite willing to get behind a socialist leader or even a soft centre one who can unite the party...Stamer isn't that man, he's been a divisive force since day one and this is the guy who campaigned on a unity ticket, the ten pledges and a socialist manifesto...all have been chucked out the window.

Unless he either steps down or there is a leadership challenge, I don't think things are going to change much. People seem to forget, the Labour Party is a left wing Socialist Party, it's not meant to be Centre or right wing. Nowadays, anyone slightly left of Churchill is hard left, that's what people seem to think. I have never been so insulted over the last five years for simply being a socialist, not a commie, a trot, a thug, a dog, or hard left....Simply repeat the lies often enough and people believe them, sad really!

Dame_Ann_Average

Jeremy Corbyn was hounded out in a disgraceful manner, by his party & by the media and although I didn't like that he was going to make a stand against the EU exit majority vote, which was done democratically, I would still have voted for him.
I had hopes for Starmer, coming from such a high position in the CPS but don't suppose I follow politics closely enough to know the ins & outs of his behaviour within the Labour camp, we certainly don't hear about such things on the news atm.

I have never believed in party politics, it should be the best person for the job in every ministerial department irrespective imho.

slimfern
@Baz posted:

Well I’m centrist , and proud of it . IMHO it’s the extremes wings  of politics ....whether right , or left .....that cause the most problems ....so give me middle of the road any day .

Fair enough but I find the way centrism is defined as Orwellian.  You can wage an illegal war and be a 'centrist' but if you want to build the homes the country desperately needs you're apparently, 'the hard left'!

Carnelian

Sir Abstainer blaming Corbyn for the Hartlepool loss before the votes are counted, JC held Hartlepool with an increased majority in 2017 by 16% plus and held on in 2019 even after the collapse of the red wall which was Starmers fault in the first place.

His today's effort it's totally wrong, he's getting two different marches confused...this one the women were made to march against the tax otherwise be sacked, the man is a complete imbecile The Anna Besant march was 17 years later, basic stuff he can't get right The Leader of the Labour Party doesn't even know the dates of how the Labour movement started and  the involvement of Anna Besant and the Matchgirls, he shouldn't even a need a researcher for this information!

Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer

150 years ago today, women workers at Bryant and May factory marched on Parliament against the Chancellor's proposed tax on matches. Through their collective action, they won. It galvanised the factory workers ahead of battles for pay and working conditions.

Dame_Ann_Average
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Sir Abstainer blaming Corbyn for the Hartlepool loss before the votes are counted, JC held Hartlepool with an increased majority in 2017 by 16% plus and held on in 2019 even after the collapse of the red wall which was Starmers fault in the first place.

His today's effort it's totally wrong, he's getting two different marches confused...this one the women were made to march against the tax otherwise be sacked, the man is a complete imbecile The Anna Besant march was 17 years later, basic stuff he can't get right The Leader of the Labour Party doesn't even know the dates of how the Labour movement started and  the involvement of Anna Besant and the Matchgirls, he shouldn't even a need a researcher for this information!

Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer

150 years ago today, women workers at Bryant and May factory marched on Parliament against the Chancellor's proposed tax on matches. Through their collective action, they won. It galvanised the factory workers ahead of battles for pay and working conditions.

Thanks Dame Ann, I didn't know that.  He probably would have pulled the wool over my eyes except that I tend to double-check everything he says.

It's good to know your history otherwise you fall into the trap of erecting a statue to an antisemite, anti-Catholic, Nazi lover like Lady Nancy Astor and proclaiming her a hero for women.  Theresa May and Rachel Reeves.

Rachel Reeves hasn't been punished at all by Labour for glorifying a raving antisemite and Nazi fan. One rule for labour left another for the Blairites.

Carnelian
@slimfern posted:

Later today will give us an insight to how folk have taken to him & his version of Labour....

Much of the counting will take place from tomorrow and in some places won't be finished until Monday. BBC isn't starting their election results programmes until tomorrow morning outside any mentioned in their ordinary news programmes. It's because of fewer counters than for typical elections due to the distancing measures, also due to more elections taking place this time due to those which were cancelled last year.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

Much of the counting will take place from tomorrow and in some places won't be finished until Monday. BBC isn't starting their election results programmes until tomorrow morning outside any mentioned in their ordinary news programmes. It's because of fewer counters than for typical elections due to the distancing measures, also due to more elections taking place this time due to those which were cancelled last year.

Thanks El..
I guess a 24/96 hr delay won't make the result any easier/harder to swallow

slimfern

Stamer is a plant, I have said it for the last two years.....he's not a socialist bone in his body, he's just out to destroy socialism and no interest if he leads the country or not. Who would ever have thought a socialist party leader would have refused to sign this... these poor people who have been in jobs for years, some of them most of their lives are sacked at the drop of a hat and made to take minimum wages, what happened to this country where we prefer working people not to make a wage and claim universal credit to top up 



Howard Beckett
@BeckettUnite
I’ve waited until the polls have closed to say that has refused to sign Unite’s letter demanding an end to fire & rehire. It says so much. Disgraceful. Show some passion. Talk for workers. It’s pathetic.
Dame_Ann_Average

Stamer is a plant, I have said it for the last two years.....he's not a socialist bone in his body, he's just out to destroy socialism and no interest if he leads the country or not. Who would ever have thought a socialist party leader would have refused to sign this... these poor people who have been in jobs for years, some of them most of their lives are sacked at the drop of a hat and made to take minimum wages, what happened to this country where we prefer working people not to make a wage and claim universal credit to top up 



Howard Beckett
@BeckettUnite
I’ve waited until the polls have closed to say that has refused to sign Unite’s letter demanding an end to fire & rehire. It says so much. Disgraceful. Show some passion. Talk for workers. It’s pathetic.

Doesn't the law protect employees from getting sacked without reason?
Even redundancy is governed by strict rules.
or so I thought

Has been a few years since I was an employer..

slimfern