Baz posted:Carnelian posted:Baz posted:
A very wise man ( my dad ) said that once you resort to hate, and name calling, you have already lost the argument ! What the country needs is for our politicians (and their supporters )to stop with the fanatical rhetoric and start looking for ways to talk to each other! Until that happens ....be they far right , or pseudo socialists ....this country will continue to go down the pan.....and the losers will be the very people that need it most !
It would be nice in a perfect world but our Tory politicians are hateful and heartless. Thousands have died directly due to cruel sanctioning and being made homeless. This government has blood on their hands.
It would be nice to think the Tories could magically become decent and compassionate but it's not in their DNA. May's warm words about a prosperous country for all are just cynical politicking.
Baz, sorry, I know you mean the best and respect you for that and your faith in human nature but they deserve my hatred in the same way a wife beater deserves my hatred. They have presided over gratuitous cruelty to the most disadvantaged and their policies have caused unnecessary deaths and harm.
George Osborne is on record as saying that cuts to disability benefits played well with core Tory voters. It's not just that party, it's their support base too.
Trust me Carnelian , I have very little faith in human nature ....especially when it comes to politicians The difference between us is that I tar them all with the same brush , and I’m sorry , but I don’t believe Labour, as it stands now , would be any different ....and like Moonie , I certainly wouldn’t trust Corbyn ....and Momentum even less ! But in fact I doubt he would even want to be in charge right now , cos let’s face it , Brexit is a total poisoned chalice . The sad thing is that should there be an election any time soon , for the first time in 5 decades I really can’t think who I’d vote for .
I'm a member of Momentum. After initial reservations I joined Momentum and they are not the demons they have been painted as by the media. I can tell you I would not join a bully-boy organisation. Of course there are hotheads who shame the organisation but the values of Momentum are to promote Corbyn, to repel a establishment big biz approved Blairite kickback and promote a democratic socialist alternative to the failed policies of Thatcherism and Thatcherism lite that delivered the Iraq war, the banking crisis, zero hours, housing crisis, knife crime crisis, 10 years of wage stagnation and employed Atos to hound the critically ill to their deaths.
Momentum are democratic and totally opposed to antisemitism among all other forms of racism.
You say you don't trust Momentum but how much first hand knowledge do you really know about Momentum people and the values they hold?