Yogi19 posted:Carnelian posted:Yogi19 posted:Carnelian posted:Yogi19 posted:Attempting to deflect/excuse anti semitism in the Labour Party by throwing shade at another faith. You couldn’t make it up.
The Labour Party isn't 'another faith' there are many, many Christians in the Labour Party just as there are in most other parties. However, I am correct to say that Hobson's Imperialism is a drop in the antisemitic ocean compared to the text of the New Testament.
I never said the Labour Party was “another faith”, I said you were throwing shade at another faith ie Christianity in an attempt to deflect/ excuse anti semitism in your party.
So you assert there is an 'antisemitism problem' in the Labour Party? So have you spoken to any Labour supporters who've expressed antisemitic views? Or, as I can guarantee, you are prepared to slur Labour members as antisemite and the party 'has a problem' with antisemitism because your Tory biased media asserts that. The Nazis and their media saturated public opinion that their nearest rivals, the communists, had burnt down the Reichstag, YOU would have believed them too!
AM I DEFLECTING? It's in the book, it's clear as day, the New Testament is the most influential antisemitic text ever.
Follow this link https://www.channel4.com/news/...sm-political-parties
It states quite clearly that Tory voters and members are more antisemitic than Labour voters and members. If you want to side with the brute force of establishment pro-Tory lies that's your choice. However, that's not a legitimate argument.
Your response to criticism of your party is always to say, there’s worse out there - that’s a deflection technique and it certainly doesn’t negate what is going on within your party. If Labour had dealt with the cases of alleged anti semitism in a proper manner, then MPs and members wouldn’t have felt so aggrieved that they felt compelled to resign from the party.
Nobody is suggesting that anti semitism is only found within the Labour Party but your party has come under criticism from it’s own members - and however hard you try to shift the blame, there is a case to answer:
- On the Andrew Marr show, Emily Thornberry said she had been approached in the street by party members who had made the most appalling anti Semitic remarks
- The Jewish Labour Council say there is problem with anti Semitism in your party
- MPs and Party members have left the Labour party and stated it was due to anti semitism within the party.
- It is on record that the Labour Party failed to act - for up to 2 years - on a sizeable number of anti Semitic accusations
- There have been anti Semitic tweets by party members
You ask if I, personally, have ever heard a Labour Party member say anything anti Semitic, and my answer is, no.
I can also tell you, I’ve yet to meet a Christian who blames the Jewish people of today for the crucifixion of Christ.
If your only defence is to say, ‘there is worse out there’, then I can see why the Labour Party has a problem.
Unfortunately ALL Christians who follow the crucifixion story as the literal truth MUST regard the Jewish people as co-agents/conspirators in the crucifixion of Jesus.
I expect you haven't put that point to them directly and talked about how the Jews in the New Testament betrayed their messiah, Jesus. and their God. If you had, they would air two opinions. Firstly, the Bible is antisemitic and a symptom of its time/politics and that narrative is not worth considering. Secondly, The Bible is rightly antisemitic and that event is true and it damns the Jewish people in God's eyes as God's betrayers. Therefore justifying (in their eyes) pogroms and the ultimate horror of the holocaust.
Of course, there are 'Labour supporters' or 'Labour members' who've expressed antisemitic sentiment. Likewise Tory supporters (more often). However, the New Testament is the behemoth of antisemitic motivation.