Carnelian posted:Moonie posted:Carnelian posted:Moonie posted:Is Momentum like Militant Tendency was back in the day?
Moonie posted:Baz posted:Moonie posted:Is Momentum like Militant Tendency was back in the day?
That’s the way I read it Moonie ...
Unless someone else knows different
Well you read it wrong then!
If you want to talk about bullies, at least consider that thousands have been bullied out of stable accommodation into homelessness by the Tories. You really do have to have a perverse set of values if you decide momentum are worse than that.
Momentum have moved with the times. They are post-Thatcher/post Blair. They address the issues of the failure of Thatcherism and Blairism. I don't want to rant on about the failures of Blairism and Thatcherism but if you're going to rationalise that a few hotheads are more 'evil' than things like illegal wars or sanctions that have literally sent people to their early deaths, then go ahead, feel smug and easy in that but know this, you are morally bankrupt!
You are part of the problem not the solution as to why this country is amoral shithole for hundreds of thousands.
Typical, you can’t win an argument so you descend into character assassination.
If I am part of the problem you and your like will never be part of the solution.
Sorry, this was not character assassination. EITHER YOU WILL ENABLE THIS GOVERNMENT IN THEIR CLASS WAR or you won't! You are their enablers! Therefore an agent of the elite against the majority of the working class and especially the least advantaged of the working class!
It's not character assassination, it's a fair assessment of your callous Tory indifference to the suffering of those less fortunately than you! You litterally don't care about people being made homeless and sanctioned women turning to the sex trade.
I haven't 'won' your version of the argument. You've won the argument in your view because you are ok with people being made homeless, single mothers having no money to feed their kids, the chronically ill being sanctioned and those sanctions leading their untimely deaths.
Sorry, but you really do have blood on your hands! Tory voters are the amoral lauding themselves as being most virtuous.
Carnelian , with the greatest respect , you are talking claptrap ! You have no idea what anyone here votes/voted ....or what papers they read ...if any ! Personally I’ve not bought any newspaper for years 
As for blood on people’s hands etc . you are intelligent person , but can you not see that hateful diatribes like this are totally counterproductive! All it serves to do is convince politically moderate thinkers that they are right about the likes of the far left and Momentum .
If you truly want to sort out the problems you detail above then the country doesn’t need a class war , it needs consensus not division ! And in talking about the last 40 years you simply convince me that what your brand of labour wants to do is take us back to the chaos of the 1970s .....a chaos that was so profound that it eventually landed us with Thatcher ...who , before you start ...I detested ! So, how about you take a deep breath , temper your political argument, and instead tell us constructively how you would go about sorting out the very real problems the country has .