I've thought long and hard about posting in here, throwing insults at people that do not have the same political view as you makes you no better than the Tory MP's that squat in the aisles out of sight of Bercow to throw insults at Corbyn.
Moonie is a gentleman, and one of the kindest most thoughtful of men I would ever wish to be friends with, he would debate all day long without insulting anyone and doesn't deserve to be called a mug because he doesn't hold your views Carnelian, I'm proud to call him a friend, I'm also proud to be friends with people who are not on the same page politically as me. The country is torn in half, both politically and financially. You have the rich getting richer, the getting by ok, the struggling and the desperate. That's what caused Brexit, look at the largest vote to leave, the really well off voted out because it will make them far richer and the poor voted out because that they believe everything wrong in this country is the immigrants fault, the middle group I have no idea why they voted out....I think instead of insulting people we try and be tolerant to other peoples views, sadly this country doesn't have tolerence for anything lately
I also agree with most of what you say Carnelian, the ranty stuff you sadly lose your point and people are not interested in debating with you. IMO