If  I can find this man I'm gonna buy him as many drinks as he want, Laura the Tory is getting an hammering on twitter about LP's costings when she's never once questioned the Tories on borrowing more in five years than all the Labour governments put together 

Meanwhile the Tories have put publishing theirs off again, so far we have...

Maybe VAT and NI rises.

No triple lock on pensions.

Not ruled out more cuts to the disabled.

One year off work to care for ill relatives...unpaid 

and murder foxes 

I hate the Tories with a passion.Cannot stick that mare May.I have a serps pension .I now live alone in a two bed house,a luxury that must be taxed according to the Tory bastards.The fooking bedroom tax.Fortunately I get the discretionary payment to make up the difference (one good thing about the SNP).I Will always vote labour.

Dame Ann

ive been reading a hell of a lot of corbyn supported the IRA

but

have you noticed that the last time MSM came out with that crap was 2015?

if it was really true the daily mail would be all over it like a rash & wouldnt stop banging on about it

yet

the MSM arent

is it because, in spite of all those pics & news reports from 20+ yrs ago the MSM twisted it around to make him look like a terrorist supporter but he wasnt?

he was trying to achieve peace

now you might say BUT LOOK THE EVIDENCE IS THERE IN PICTURES & STATEMENTS

but was it?

because believe me the media would NOW be on it like a pack of hounds chasing a fox-yet theyre not

have a think about it

He did talk to the IRA Pirate to try and pave the way for peace talks, he did it in the open. Thatcher did it in secret, Willie Whitelaw was flying the IRA into London for meetings in the 70's and Blair had talks with them, at the end of the day it was talks that secured the peace agreement. 

He won the Gandhi peace prize in 2013 for his lifelong work in trying to negotiate peace. They are dragging things up form 30 years ago because he can't be bought....

We deal with the Saudi's, we sell them arms and it never gets mentioned by the right wing media..the labour party said they would stop the sale of arms to Saudi 

 The worrying thing for me is that I work with far too many younger voters who are disinterested and will not be voting.

So true EC my niece is 30 this year,and had voted once in her life,(local and national elections).I rage at her but she "can't be arsed".sigh.

kattymieoww posted:

So true EC my niece is 30 this year,and had voted once in her life,(local and national elections).I rage at her but she "can't be arsed".sigh.

The response I hear is "I'm just not interested".

*sighs*

There was an election just a few months after I turned 18, I voted in it and have voted in every election since. In that first election I voted the same as my parents as I didn't really know anything much about the political scene at that time, but it wasn't long before I felt I knew enough to decide for myself and if I was now voting the same as my parents (and I know there were at least TWO occasions where I didn't) it was purely co-incidental.

Question ....what is going to happen to all those now employed in the private sectors when they get nationlised ? Will they all be employed , or is there going to be some * rationalisation * too ? And will they be paid the same ....or take a pay cut ? And if it's the former how are they going to find the money to make improvements?  

Baz posted:

Question ....what is going to happen to all those now employed in the private sectors when they get nationlised ? Will they all be employed , or is there going to be some * rationalisation * too ? And will they be paid the same ....or take a pay cut ? And if it's the former how are they going to find the money to make improvements?  

I'm assuming they would keep their jobs, I can't remember people losing jobs when we had to take over the East Coast line in 2009. The line was making massive profit up until 2015 and the tories sold it off again... I think customer satisfaction was in the 80% 's. 

We are already pumping huge amounts of cash (£5Bn) each year into the so called private networks.

That 5Bn would become investment in OUR railway and the profits currently taken by private interests, currently 74% of whom are foreign nationalised railways, would become profit back into the nation. Or forgone and given back to users in cheaper fares.

http://www.independent.co.uk/n...xpayers-8866157.html

I know the East coast was profitable ...I just hope it all works out the way you think it will Dame .....but tbh my memory of the nationalised industries isn't quite that rosy  

Baz posted:

Question ....what is going to happen to all those now employed in the private sectors when they get nationlised ? Will they all be employed , or is there going to be some * rationalisation * too ? And will they be paid the same ....or take a pay cut ? And if it's the former how are they going to find the money to make improvements?  

I'm going to start to say ...

Comment - and then say something

A bit like Question and then asking a question  (like wot Baz has done - twit)

Saint posted:

Baz posted:

Question ....what is going to happen to all those now employed in the private sectors when they get nationlised ? Will they all be employed , or is there going to be some * rationalisation * too ? And will they be paid the same ....or take a pay cut ? And if it's the former how are they going to find the money to make improvements?  

I'm going to start to say ...

Comment - and then say something

A bit like Question and then asking a question  (like wot Baz has done - twit)

Baz posted:

I know the East coast was profitable ...I just hope it all works out the way you think it will Dame .....but tbh my memory of the nationalised industries isn't quite that rosy  

I know one thing Baz, we are better putting it into this country than profits going abroad and their railways are cheaper better and pension much higher due to profits made in this country, Private companies will always, always put profit before anything else. 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

I know the East coast was profitable ...I just hope it all works out the way you think it will Dame .....but tbh my memory of the nationalised industries isn't quite that rosy  

 

I know one thing Baz, we are better putting it into this country than profits going abroad and their railways are cheaper better and pension much higher due to profits made in this country, Private companies will always, always put profit before anything else. 

Probably Dame ....but I for one don't fancy being at the mercy of the unions again , been there , done that , lived through the 70s 

Comment - if private companies can run it at a profit then surely the Gov can.

Saint posted:

Comment - if private companies can run it at a profit then surely the Gov can.

 

 

a massive profit Renton and it's not going back into the railways, it's going abroad to maintain their railways, to the shareholders and to pension pots not in this country  Plus, on top of the profits they are making we are also giving the massive subsidies 

Baz posted:

Probably Dame ....but I for one don't fancy being at the mercy of the unions again , been there , done that , lived through the 70s 

Baz, now people have to work on zero hour contracts and can be told on the day we have no work, we have two hours work. Unions gave us a lot of rights, we have none at all now and the unions have little power. I don't want the people of this country to be trying to survive on nothing and that's what's happening now....I hate the tories and will to my dying day.

The  bedroom tax as Katty said she's lucky enough to get some help, many thousands on 50's woman in England that were given no warning that their pension age was going up can't afford to live and don't get help with the bedroom tax. I luckily don't have that problem...but to starve people because in Katty's words they have the luxury of having one spare room is nothing. I remember the 70's and I could easily go back to then rather than now. 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

Probably Dame ....but I for one don't fancy being at the mercy of the unions again , been there , done that , lived through the 70s 

 

Baz, now people have to work on zero hour contracts and can be told on the day we have no work, we have two hours work. Unions gave us a lot of rights, we have none at all now and the unions have little power. I don't want the people of this country to be trying to survive on nothing and that's what's happening now....I hate the tories and will to my dying day.

 

The  bedroom tax as Katty said she's lucky enough to get some help, many thousands on 50's woman in England that were given no warning that their pension age was going up can't afford to live and don't get help with the bedroom tax. I luckily don't have that problem...but to starve people because in Katty's words they have the luxury of having one spare room is nothing. I remember the 70's and I could easily go back to then rather than now. 

We wil have to agree to differ on that , but time will tell ..one way or another