I smell a rat here, no way would the other 27 leaders all agree anything that would seriously benefit this country.

Cameron is pulling a fast one on us.

velvet donkey posted:

Videostar posted:

Remember guys, if we vote out we get the added bonus of Cameron resigning too as an out vote is likely to make his position as PM very impossible...and the Tory party will be in turmoil.

Aye Captain U Kipper   

I swear my Kipper name on DS has nothing to do with politics.

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Videostar posted:

Remember guys, if we vote out we get the added bonus of Cameron resigning too as an out vote is likely to make his position as PM very impossible...and the Tory party will be in turmoil.

Can't be any worse than the Labour Party is...

Jezza's got more sense than all the Tory party put together 

I reserve my judgement on that Sprouty 

Everyone to their own  I just hate the Tory party and everything they stand for 

Voted Labour all my life but I don't think it's party political anymore. It's what's best for "us the people" but hey what the hell do I know 

Videostar posted:

I smell a rat here, no way would the other 27 leaders all agree anything that would seriously benefit this country.

Cameron is pulling a fast one on us.

I've just said in another fred. They all want us in (hence they're not agreeing to what we want) because of what they can get out of us  

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Videostar posted:

Remember guys, if we vote out we get the added bonus of Cameron resigning too as an out vote is likely to make his position as PM very impossible...and the Tory party will be in turmoil.

Can't be any worse than the Labour Party is...

Jezza's got more sense than all the Tory party put together 

I reserve my judgement on that Sprouty 

Everyone to their own  I just hate the Tory party and everything they stand for 

Voted Labour all my life but I don't think it's party political anymore. It's what's best for "us the people" but hey what the hell do I know 

Well it's certain that Cameron and his cronies doesn't have our best interests at heart 

Videostar posted:

I smell a rat here, no way would the other 27 leaders all agree anything that would seriously benefit this country.

Cameron is pulling a fast one on us.

I tend to agree Vids 

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Videostar posted:

Remember guys, if we vote out we get the added bonus of Cameron resigning too as an out vote is likely to make his position as PM very impossible...and the Tory party will be in turmoil.

Can't be any worse than the Labour Party is...

Jezza's got more sense than all the Tory party put together 

I reserve my judgement on that Sprouty 

Everyone to their own  I just hate the Tory party and everything they stand for 

Voted Labour all my life but I don't think it's party political anymore. It's what's best for "us the people" but hey what the hell do I know 

Well it's certain that Cameron and his cronies doesn't have our best interests at heart 

All politicians are out to feather their own nests 

velvet donkey posted:

Videostar posted:

velvet donkey posted:

Videostar posted:

Remember guys, if we vote out we get the added bonus of Cameron resigning too as an out vote is likely to make his position as PM very impossible...and the Tory party will be in turmoil.

Aye Captain U Kipper   

I swear my Kipper name on DS has nothing to do with politics.

I believe you               

On the old ch4 forums over a decade ago I used that name...long before (you know who) existed.

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Videostar posted:

Remember guys, if we vote out we get the added bonus of Cameron resigning too as an out vote is likely to make his position as PM very impossible...and the Tory party will be in turmoil.

Can't be any worse than the Labour Party is...

Jezza's got more sense than all the Tory party put together 

I reserve my judgement on that Sprouty 

Everyone to their own  I just hate the Tory party and everything they stand for 

Voted Labour all my life but I don't think it's party political anymore. It's what's best for "us the people" but hey what the hell do I know 

Well it's certain that Cameron and his cronies doesn't have our best interests at heart 

All politicians are out to feather their own nests 

Moonie posted:

All politicians are out to feather their own nests 

No, not all. There are some that know what is going on. Trouble is, they are few and far between 

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

All politicians are out to feather their own nests 

No, not all. There are some that know what is going on. Trouble is, they are few and far between 

It's easy to be magnanimous while in opposition Sprout , but I am willing to put money on them /him ditching his principles ....or at least watering them down once in power .....they always do  

Baz posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

All politicians are out to feather their own nests 

No, not all. There are some that know what is going on. Trouble is, they are few and far between 

It's easy to be magnanimous while in opposition Sprout , but I am willing to put money on them /him ditching his principles ....or at least watering them down once in power .....they always do  

As has Cameron 

Sprout posted:

Baz posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

All politicians are out to feather their own nests 

No, not all. There are some that know what is going on. Trouble is, they are few and far between 

It's easy to be magnanimous while in opposition Sprout , but I am willing to put money on them /him ditching his principles ....or at least watering them down once in power .....they always do  

As has Cameron 

No argument from me ......I'm a realist ....like I said , they all do ...twas ever thus TBH the complications of government mean everything gets watered down 

Baz posted:

Sprout posted:

Baz posted:

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

All politicians are out to feather their own nests 

No, not all. There are some that know what is going on. Trouble is, they are few and far between 

It's easy to be magnanimous while in opposition Sprout , but I am willing to put money on them /him ditching his principles ....or at least watering them down once in power .....they always do  

As has Cameron 

No argument from me ......I'm a realist ....like I said , they all do ...twas ever thus TBH the complications of government mean everything gets watered down 

Good job we haven't got a hosepipe ban then Bazzy  

They finally have a deal. There was only one way to settle it. 

Scotty posted:

They finally have a deal. There was only one way to settle it. 

 

 

For anyone who wants to read what had been agreed, this 37 page document by the European Council goes into detail.
http://www.consilium.europa.eu...UCO-Conclusions_pdf/

Under Starters Orders...

Nothing new.................

In the Scottish referendum one of the scaremongering tactics was to tell Scotland how a YES vote would turf us out of Europe, but now he's quite happy to play with the possibility of the whole of the UK being out of Europe.

I.E. 'Don't vote for independence as it'll take you out of Europe, but we might take you out of Europe later anyway!'

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

In the Scottish referendum one of the scaremongering tactics was to tell Scotland how a YES vote would turf us out of Europe, but now he's quite happy to play with the possibility of the whole of the UK being out of Europe.

 

I.E. 'Don't vote for independence as it'll take you out of Europe, but we might take you out of Europe later anyway!'

Fun int it Fluffs

Moonie posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

In the Scottish referendum one of the scaremongering tactics was to tell Scotland how a YES vote would turf us out of Europe, but now he's quite happy to play with the possibility of the whole of the UK being out of Europe.

 

I.E. 'Don't vote for independence as it'll take you out of Europe, but we might take you out of Europe later anyway!'

Fun int it Fluffs

Yes, we're permanently creased!

Wonder what he'll do if the referendum SHOULD return an OUT result.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Moonie posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

In the Scottish referendum one of the scaremongering tactics was to tell Scotland how a YES vote would turf us out of Europe, but now he's quite happy to play with the possibility of the whole of the UK being out of Europe.

 

I.E. 'Don't vote for independence as it'll take you out of Europe, but we might take you out of Europe later anyway!'

Fun int it Fluffs

Yes, we're permanently creased!

 

Wonder what he'll do if the referendum SHOULD return an OUT result.

I don't think it matters to him as this is gonna be his last *term* 

We now have a date .....June 23rd .....concentrates the mind a bit With that in mind , and allowing for the fact that I will never be able to understand ALL various aspects of the debate , I think I have decided to go with my gut feeling and vote no  

At the moment I am on the side of 'stay in' but would like to hear all of the pro's and con's laid out without any of the usual political waffle.

Baz posted:

We now have a date .....June 23rd .....concentrates the mind a bit With that in mind , and allowing for the fact that I will never be able to understand ALL various aspects of the debate , I think I have decided to go with my gut feeling and vote no  

Is that No To Staying In, or No To Getting OUT?

Moonie posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Moonie posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

In the Scottish referendum one of the scaremongering tactics was to tell Scotland how a YES vote would turf us out of Europe, but now he's quite happy to play with the possibility of the whole of the UK being out of Europe.

 

I.E. 'Don't vote for independence as it'll take you out of Europe, but we might take you out of Europe later anyway!'

Fun int it Fluffs

Yes, we're permanently creased!

 

Wonder what he'll do if the referendum SHOULD return an OUT result.

I don't think it matters to him as this is gonna be his last *term* 

I'm pretty certain Cameron wants to stay , but he's been forced into the referendum by the split in his own party.

As to why it matters to him: it's all about legacy. "Securing the UK's position within a reformed Europe" is the only thing likely to prevent him being remembered solely as *ahem* the PM with the pig...

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

At the moment I am on the side of 'stay in' but would like to hear all of the pro's and con's laid out without any of the usual political waffle.

 

I want out at the minute, but like you I want clear and concise lists of pros and cons 

Sprout posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

At the moment I am on the side of 'stay in' but would like to hear all of the pro's and con's laid out without any of the usual political waffle.

 

I want out at the minute, but like you I want clear and concise lists of pros and cons 

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

At the moment I am on the side of 'stay in' but would like to hear all of the pro's and con's laid out without any of the usual political waffle.

 

I want out at the minute, but like you I want clear and concise lists of pros and cons 

Yes, can I help you? 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

At the moment I am on the side of 'stay in' but would like to hear all of the pro's and con's laid out without any of the usual political waffle.

 

Well said EC - me too 

Things are spun so much these days, it's hard to know anymore 

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

Sprout posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

At the moment I am on the side of 'stay in' but would like to hear all of the pro's and con's laid out without any of the usual political waffle.

 

I want out at the minute, but like you I want clear and concise lists of pros and cons 

Yes, can I help you? 

Hope, was just  

Still haven't made up me mind yet. Like you I am waiting to hear the pros and cons but without all the spin attached 

me...I'm an innie   

Sprout posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

At the moment I am on the side of 'stay in' but would like to hear all of the pro's and con's laid out without any of the usual political waffle.

 

I want out at the minute, but like you I want clear and concise lists of pros and cons 

So you could say that you want the 'bear essentials'.

*tries avvie related pun*

*Groans again* 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

me...I'm an innie   

Dame I can see that... pull your shirt down wlll ya

I've been reading up on this for weeks...I'm definitely in  and god helps up if we come out and leave it to Gidiot ...hang on for the ride or buy a gun 

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Baz posted:

We now have a date .....June 23rd .....concentrates the mind a bit With that in mind , and allowing for the fact that I will never be able to understand ALL various aspects of the debate , I think I have decided to go with my gut feeling and vote no  

Is that No To Staying In, or No To Getting OUT?

 I'm Out  

Roger the Alien posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

me...I'm an innie   

Dame I can see that... pull your shirt down wlll ya

   

Roger the Alien posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

me...I'm an innie   

Dame I can see that... pull your shirt down wlll ya

   

I actually I'm an innie...well last time I saw it   *tugs vest top down*